Powers & Abilities Do you think Oda planned haki since chapter 1 ?

[Lightbolt]

I know Shanks used it against the sea king‚ but do you think when Oda drew that‚ did he had haki in mind to be introduced in the future or it was like ' shanks is so strong he can intimidate sea kings' but haki was never the plan until later.

Characters like Crocodile who went against Whitebeard and Lucci who was CP9 not mentioning haki or seemingly using it once ( maybe cause they weren't against a logia) implies it wasn't set as a concept yet

 

[Master OF Haki]

Yes, but he didn't fully plan it.

 

[Zowo]

coc east blue(shanks)
coa alabasta(zoro)
coo skypiea(enel and the priests)

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

Oda trying to explain Haki be like:

 

[Formerly Seth]

Nah. He developed it in the pre-time skip but I would argue if he planned it out since the first chapter.

Dude still can't properly explain this power system.

 

[Lightbolt]

coc east blue(shanks)
coa alabasta(zoro)
coo skypiea(enel and the priests)

Zoro used coa in alabasta ? What ?!

 

[Doggo]

Let's say he didnt.
Then he retconned a few things and created this power system because he thought "non-DF" people should have something special to fight some OP DF's. The power is bad explained, but meh. Could be worse.


Let's say he did.
Then he, in 1000+ chapters, managed to fuck up the explanation of something he had planned since the freaking beginning. How incompetent do you have to be to fuck it up this much?

Pick your poison. In the end, both scenarios are bad. :)

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I truly believe that, if Haki was planned from the start, Kairouseki wouldn't be a thing.

 

[Lightbolt]

Let's say he didnt.
Then he retconned a few things and created this power system because he thought "non-DF" people should have something special to fight some OP DF's. The power is bad explained, but meh. Could be worse.


Let's say he did.
Then he, in 1000+ chapters, managed to fuck up the explanation of something he had planned since the freaking beginning. How incompetent do you have to be to fuck it up this much?

Pick your poison. In the end, both scenarios are bad. :)

I would rather it be that he never planned it before enies lobby‚ and Shanks intimidating look and Enel's mantar were just to be special powers that he later added to the haki concept that he decided to use after Enies Lobby

More proof is yes Ace and Smoker's df cancel each other‚ but if Ace is a haki user‚ then why not just armament smoker ! Pretty sure whitebeard's second commander wasn't haki-less and just depending on df advantages like pre skip gearless luffy

 

[Doggo]

Haki, especially CoA, and its many "forms" also serve as a cheap excuse for characters to get "stronger" in some sort of "different" way, instead of just "increasing the value of his/her power level". CoO is completely inconsistent. CoC is just "flavor". At least for now.

 

[Zowo]

Zoro used coa in alabasta ? What ?!

yeah when he cut daz bones

 

[Esc]

He had some idea of what it was, and I'm pretty sure COC was planned from the beginning but it wasn't clear in his mind imo

 

[Lightbolt]

yeah when he cut daz bones

I don't remember any strawhat showing any haki pre Duval. What proof is there that he used coa ?

 

[Skiddo]

I don't remember any strawhat showing any haki pre Duval. What proof is there that he used coa ?

Pretty sure Hyogoro explained the ability to control your blade and choosing what you want to cut and not to cut is CoA.

 

[Zowo]

I don't remember any strawhat showing any haki pre Duval. What proof is there that he used coa ?

zoro s master words are the same as hyogoro s words when he explained ryou to luffy
swordsmen choses what to cut and not cut and the paper shit

 

[LolonoisZolo]

I don't remember any strawhat showing any haki pre Duval. What proof is there that he used coa ?

Zoro actually used Coo and Coa in Alabasta.
Coo to ''predict'' where the stones were going to fall and ''sense'' his swords.
Coa to cut Daz Bones/steel while also doing 0 damage to tree leaves

 

[vikas]

Definitely planned it pre-time skip for sure. We have hints of in alabasta(crocodile even mentioning about something which we now know is Haki against Luffy's fight), but he failed using it properly.
I would rather there was no Haki at all and battles were much more interesting and clever(or at least matchups were done in such a way the fights won't be impossible) when fighting with DF instead. Even DFs right now doesn't matter much in fights other than just adding differentiate attacks(just see how lame Kids attack or take Law like why should we care about him doing countershock to BM? seems like oda is just adding attacks without much thought to it with regards to DF), Haki is pretty much more important now and even that is boring when you think about the fight itself.

 

[Lightbolt]

zoro s master words are the same as hyogoro s words when he explained ryou to luffy
swordsmen choses what to cut and not cut and the paper shit

If his master said that is haki then it was but he never mentioned it. If Oda intended for this to be haki‚ it would have been mentioned.

 

[vikas]

I don't remember any strawhat showing any haki pre Duval. What proof is there that he used coa ?

The confirmed use was Mantra, just with a different name.

 

[Lightbolt]

Definitely planned it pre-time skip for sure. We have hints of in alabasta(crocodile even mentioning about something which we now know is Haki against Luffy's fight), but he failed using it properly.
I would rather there was no Haki at all and battles were much more interesting and clever(or at least matchups were done in such a way the fights won't be impossible) when fighting with DF instead. Even DFs right now doesn't matter much in fights other than just adding differentiate attacks(just see how lame Kids attack or take Law like why should we care about him doing countershock to BM? seems like oda is just adding attacks without much thought to it with regards to DF), Haki is pretty much more important now and even that is boring when you think about the fight itself.

Without haki‚ it will be almost impossible to beat someone like Law

 

[Zowo]

If his master said that is haki then it was but he never mentioned it. If Oda intended for this to be haki‚ it would have been mentioned.

what? they used the same words how the fk is not haki or u think it s some new power that helped zoro cut trough steel?