Chapter Discussion Do you think oda rushed up with flashback ?

[Homelander]

Read lot of disappointing reaction from YT and forum community regarding the flashback .

Where did it feel wrong for ya ? Are you disappointed there was not enough top tier interacting , oden story rushed up and lacked emotional weight or other reasons you felt flashback is dragged out.


I hope you guys give detail analysis. We probably have like chapter or two before we go to present.

 

[Finalbeta]

Read lot of disappointing reaction from YT and forum community regarding the flashback .

Where did it feel wrong for ya ? Are you disappointed there was not enough top tier interacting , oden story rushed up and lacked emotional weight or other reasons you felt flashback is dragged out.


I hope you guys give detail analysis. We probably have like chapter or two before we go to present.

Well the flash lasted a lot the problem maybe is Oda could of chosen which moment make it feature better. But we aren't mangaka, we don't know what's behind a masterpiece like this. :cheers:

 

[KiriNigiri]

I think for this flashback, the problem is Oda's estimation for how long it would take to finish it not lining up with how long it actually took.

For example, the mountain god scenario was basically a chapter and a half affair. That sequence basically allowed time for Kin'emon and Denjiro to receive some foundation to their characters and devotion to Oden. Something the other retainers don't get nearly as much. It's like at some point in the process, Oda realized this flashback was running for a lot longer than he envisioned, and needs to get through all the stages of Oden's life as quickly as possible. Whitebeard and Roger taking up the most chunk as Oda concluded those beats were the most important. And in a sense, they were, for the greater narrative of the series. However, he neglected the Wano centric pieces that form the emotional core of the arc's plot.

We need to care for the people of Wano for the country's liberation to matter. We need to care for the Scabbards as their mission is to carry on their lords' wishes. We need to care about Momonosuke living up to his father. We need to care about Hiyori suffering for 20 years without her family. We need to hate Orochi for lying and betraying Oden and the Kozuki. We need to both hate and fear Kaido for his rule and strength. However, in an attempt to go through the flashback as fast as possible, some of these authorial intentions are either not communicated as strongly. Either due to contrived plotting or lack of proper investment.

We get very little inclination of Oden's and Momonosuke's relationship, for example of little investment. And Oda is clearly building towards Oden's big agreement with Orochi/Kaido to be of a tragic, noble nature, but the mounting circumstances surrounding it make whatever deal he made very tough to swallow, and you come out with the sense all of these horrible things came about due to PIS.

I'm still gonna reserve my final judgement until we ultimately learn why he agreed to let Orochi and Kaido off so easily, but things are not looking good.

If it all goes belly up, it doesn't reflect well on the rest of the arc if Oda doesn't stick the landing. He's put all his cards on this Oden/Kozuki storyline carrying the arc, sacrificing development and focus of many other players in the arc to flesh it out. Next chapter is likely the most crucial chapter of Wano yet.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

But if it all goes belly up, it doesn't reflect well on the rest of the arc if Oda doesn't stick the landing. He's put all his cards on this Oden/Kozuki storyline, sacrificing development and focus of many other players in the arc to flesh it out. Next chapter is likely the most crucial chapter in the whole arc yet.

I really hope this doesn't fail.

Like it really seemed as if Oda sacrificed the WCI arc so that wano could be good. I just hope that Oda put enough thought into how this plays out

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We need to care for the people of Wano for the country's liberation to matter. We need to care for the Scabbards as their mission is to carry on their lords' wishes. We need to care about Momonosuke living up to his father. We need to care about Hiyori suffering for 20 years without her family. We need to hate Orochi for lying and betraying Oden and the Kozuki. We need to both hate and fear Kaido for his rule and strength. However, in an attempt to go through the flashback as fast as possible, some of these authorial intentions are either not communicated as strongly. Either due to contrived plotting or lack of proper investment.

I think Oda in large part already did most of this. We already hate Orochi for killing Yasu, killing Hyogoro's wife, torturing Killer, feeding faulty smiles to civilians, and overall destroying wano. Frankly I hate Orochi more than I do doffy, or crocodile, or spandex.

We feared kaido since back in punk hazard when we saw Doffy shitting his pants over the possibility of Kaido being mad at him. And then again when we saw him casually tank Kong organ and 1 shot G4 Luffy in base.

and we care about the scabbards since they were introduced at the very beginning of the post-skip.

the only thing we really don't have much info on is Hiyori and Momonosuke's relationship to their father, but Oda can always go back and give that one or two panels of flashback later on.

 

[IceWitch]

It was a good flashback, but I'm ready to get back to the current storyline.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

And Oda is clearly building towards Oden's big agreement with Orochi/Kaido to be of a tragic, noble nature, but the mounting circumstances surrounding it make whatever deal he made very tough to swallow, and you come out with the sense all of these horrible things came about due to PIS.

I'm still gonna reserve my final judgement until we ultimately learn why he agreed to let Orochi and Kaido off so easily, but things are not looking good.

I think this has something to do with Queen's plague weapons. He did after all infect 2 random people while Kaido first talked to Oden.
I think Kaido told him that if he even tried to start a rebellion, he would use the plague weapons to genocide wano. While Oden could probably have beaten Kaido if he attacked 5 years ago, if they started releasing deadly plagues upon wano, a society that mind you only has what we would consider medieval technology, millions of people could have died.

 

[sanjikun]

1,000 chapters in and people still don't realize Oda is going to gyp them during flashbacks. I'm surprised he even revealed the actual moment when Kaido was cut.

This dude was silhouetting already revealed characters.

 

[Godusopp]

It was a good flashback, but I'm ready to get back to the current storyline.

A lot is left. Toki's prophecy and her sending the retainers in the future. Along with oden's execution I think it will be 2 more chapters atleast.

 

[Longleg Larry]

Where did it feel wrong for ya ?

Pretty much every panel with Oden. The Kurozumi Clan stuff was hella interesting & I got a chuckle outta Kinemon & Whitebeard's bro fist-bump, but in terms of the Oden stuff, it just made me hate him

 

[Homelander]

I think for this flashback, the problem is Oda's estimation for how long it would take to finish it not lining up with how long it actually took.

For example, the mountain god scenario was basically a chapter and a half affair. That sequence basically allowed time for Kin'emon and Denjiro to receive some foundation to their characters and devotion to Oden. Something the other retainers don't get nearly as much. It's like at some point in the process, Oda realized this flashback was running for a lot longer than he envisioned, and needs to get through all the stages of Oden's life as quickly as possible. Whitebeard and Roger taking up the most chunk as Oda concluded those beats were the most important. And in a sense, they were, for the greater narrative of the series. However, he neglected the Wano centric pieces that form the emotional core of the arc's plot.

We need to care for the people of Wano for the country's liberation to matter. We need to care for the Scabbards as their mission is to carry on their lords' wishes. We need to care about Momonosuke living up to his father. We need to care about Hiyori suffering for 20 years without her family. We need to hate Orochi for lying and betraying Oden and the Kozuki. We need to both hate and fear Kaido for his rule and strength. However, in an attempt to go through the flashback as fast as possible, some of these authorial intentions are either not communicated as strongly. Either due to contrived plotting or lack of proper investment.

We get very little inclination of Oden's and Momonosuke's relationship, for example of little investment. And Oda is clearly building towards Oden's big agreement with Orochi/Kaido to be of a tragic, noble nature, but the mounting circumstances surrounding it make whatever deal he made very tough to swallow, and you come out with the sense all of these horrible things came about due to PIS.

I'm still gonna reserve my final judgement until we ultimately learn why he agreed to let Orochi and Kaido off so easily, but things are not looking good.

If it all goes belly up, it doesn't reflect well on the rest of the arc if Oda doesn't stick the landing. He's put all his cards on this Oden/Kozuki storyline carrying the arc, sacrificing development and focus of many other players in the arc to flesh it out. Next chapter is likely the most crucial chapter of Wano yet.

I think if wrote flashback each of them in detail it would be 2 -3 volumes.

Most one piece fans dont really care about Oden . I am actually fairly alright with mountain god storyline it was introduction of how oden was perceived by wano public , introduction of retainer what they were like.

Following thing i saw felt things to quick was the lack of interaction oden had pr connection with wano public.

I never felt at any moment oden had strong connection with wano public to feel he was their savior. Again i might be wrong. I find this ridiculous . Okay we can assume oden only credit was developing kuri regime but nothing about entire country.

Lastly plot rushup in last 2 chapters . We could have little more detail were those 5 years oden wasted dancing naked seems so impassable ?

Like why orochi had to wait for 5 years to execute hyos family . Hopefully i really want to see some justice to this flashback.

 

[Jew D. Boy]

This flashback has been tremendous in terms of giving us our first substantial clues about One Piece/Roger’s journey, but Oden has really not become the brusquely admirable/sympathetic hero he was portrayed as leading up to it. I’ve enjoyed it on that basis; otherwise, the pace either feels too fast or too slow, and the fact that it seems to change every chapter doesn’t help. Oda’s obviously got a master plan for all this (he told himself through hysterical laughter), but it just doesn’t make much sense for Wano’s greatest man to be made into such an asshole for seemingly no reason.

 

[Dark Admiral]

Flashback continues----Flashback is too long. Oda dragged this flashback for too long. :attachpol:
Flashback reaches climax---Flashback is rushed. Oda skipped everything of importance.:attachpol:

 

[OmegaPsyche]

No, in fact it's too long.

 

[Eustass]

It is rushed but at the same time it was also too long as he ^ said. I just wished it wasn't told continuously, and separately.

It's sad that we won't see much more/more of old WB, Kaido, Roger etc.

But it's also a pain to have a war and the other stuff on outside world in front of us and have to pass through all of that, so.. I guess I'm not complaining much.

 

[Yo Tan Wa]

I think the next chapter or two has potential to do redeem this flashback somewhat, The Red Scabbards are yet to escape, Oden is yet to be boiled alive, Toki thing is also remaining and RCs will be sent into the future. There's more Inu n Neko fighting, how Hiyori survived.

The panels of 9 RCs standing in the Rain helplessly waiting for allies and heading towards their Doom alone, was hella start for the war bt Oda insteax decided to go with this flashback. Now it will depend on this next chapter if it will make or kill that moment. I am not very optimistic bout it, bt let's wait a chapter more before we judge it.

 

[Godusopp]

G

No, in fact it's too long.

Going to be longer

 

[ardym]

to be honest i found that the flashback took too many chapters , he could have done that in a novel , i am interested in the current story.

 

[Mohammad211]

i like This Flash Back But Also Think it was rushed up
if Falsh Back Was 3 Part it Would Be Better and Oda Would Be Able to add more in Flash Back
Part 1 : 9RS and Yasuie part in act 2 before Yasuie Execution ( i think with it Yasuies Execution Could Be More Emotional and Even act 2 Could Be Better in Overal)
Part 2 : Oden Story With WB and Roger Crew in act 3
Part 3 : Returning To Wano, Kaido Vs Oden and etc in Act 4 (if act 4 Will Be Main War)

 

[Finalbeta]

No, in fact it's too long.

Yes it's not the quantity the issue in my opinion

 

[Luffy is the mc]

It's a flashback, he can spend too much time on it. Of course he wasn't going to draw an entire chapter of fights, or reveal what the one piece is.
It's still Luffy's journey.