Character Discussion Do you want Hawkins and Apoo to switch sides or would you rather have them stay on the antagonist side?

[Sir Yasheen]

HR Dono thinks that Hawkins at least should remain an antagonist!

There is a very beautiful contrast between his and Killer's philosophies as was depicted in this chapter:

Should they fight to the end, HR Dono thinks this would be a most exciting clash of ideologies!

HR Dono is worried that Oda will have Hawkins switch sides and try to join the alliance. In particular, HR Dono believes that Hawkins' card(s) that enables one surpass their limits will probably have a role to play in this arc. Considering Hawkins' current location, HR Dono finds it hard to imagine that power being used to power up the Beast Pirates (especially if Hawkins is defeated by Killer).

Perhaps, Killer overcomes Hawkins in the contest of ideologies and that motivates Hawkins to switch sides? HR Dono thinks that could be satisfactory.

That’s the thing I think everyone who wants Hawkins to join sides forget what Luffy and his story is all about: Overcoming the odds.

Once Hawkins moves over to an alliance’s side Luffys no longer overcoming odds. Luffys no longer the underdog. The story loses what tension it has.

 

[Tigapedang]

I rather see apoo and hawkins dead, they r not qualified to be a supernova both are coward, unlike bege he still want to betray big meme, but these two are trash, shouldve given supernova title to sanji , bepo or heat



But considering there is toki prophecy about 9 shadows bs, i believe they will switch side to help luffy weakened kaido

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

HR Dono thinks that Hawkins at least should remain an antagonist!

There is a very beautiful contrast between his and Killer's philosophies as was depicted in this chapter:

Should they fight to the end, HR Dono thinks this would be a most exciting clash of ideologies!

HR Dono is worried that Oda will have Hawkins switch sides and try to join the alliance. In particular, HR Dono believes that Hawkins' card(s) that enables one surpass their limits will probably have a role to play in this arc. Considering Hawkins' current location, HR Dono finds it hard to imagine that power being used to power up the Beast Pirates (especially if Hawkins is defeated by Killer).

Perhaps, Killer overcomes Hawkins in the contest of ideologies and that motivates Hawkins to switch sides? HR Dono thinks that could be satisfactory.

Who is HR Dono?

 

[Hopeless Romantic]

That’s the thing I think everyone who wants Hawkins to join sides forget what Luffy and his story is all about: Overcoming the odds.

Once Hawkins moves over to an alliance’s side Luffys no longer overcoming odds. Luffys no longer the underdog. The story loses what tension it has.

Hmpf.

Strawhat ceased to be the underdog the moment he was able to match the Hundred Beasts' Hybrid form without using his Gears. That drained any and all tension HR Dono felt from the Strawhat vs Hundred Beasts fight. Even if the Hundred Beasts were to bring out Awakening, Strawhat still has Gear Second, Gear Third, and at least three forms of Gear Fourth. He also has his "King" moves as well and may eventually unveil an even more powerful Gear Fourth form based on Haoshoku.

HR Dono thinks this was a truly bizarre decision from Oda Sensei. As a villain, the Hundred Beasts feels less threatening than Dogtooth or even Ten Yaksha.


HR Dono does not think that the Magician joining the alliance would ruin the theme of prevailing against all odds. If the Massacre Soldier defeats the Magician despite his 92% chance of death, if the Massacre Soldier so triumphs over the Magician's ideology and the predictions he trusts in so much, the Magician may be convinced to let go of his predictions and place his faith in something else. He may be convinced that the Massacre Soldier's ideology of seizing your future with your own hands is the right one.

The Magician joining the alliance after a defeat at the Massacre Soldier's hands would be due to an evolution of his philosophy/ideology and not because he began to see the odds of the alliance's success rising sharply. HR Dono believes that has the potential to be a beautiful character moment.


HR Dono still thinks that Oda Sensei went around portraying Strawhat as the underdog in his 1 vs 1 with Hundred Beasts in an incomprehensible fashion. HR Dono is not very confident in Oda Sensei's storytelling.

Who is HR Dono?

Silly moderator. HR Dono is HR Dono!

("HR" is an abbreviation of "Hopeless Romantic". "Dono" is a suffix used to denote respect. It means roughly something like "Milord").

 

[Jabp2020]

They are unloyal but each in a different way. Apo is an opportunistic rat, he is cowardly and will backstab you without remorse. While Hawkins is logical to an extreme, whatever statistics favors he will follow. They would both change sides if the balance were to incline towards the Alliance.

For all we know Worst Gen VS Government seems to be the final fight, so it is likely.

Do not want to lose the chance to say I hate Apoo though

 

[RayanOO]

i don’t want them to become ally, but if they defect and leave Kaido side to become neutral and run away I am fine with that

 

[Luffy is the mc]

They should stay as antagonists, otherwise it's becoming too easy for the alliance with too many strong characters on their side.

 

[Paperchampion23]

Not that I prefer it but I just see them switching sides cause I doubt Oda makes them irrelevant if they lose here.

 

[Doggo]

I dont want them to be allies or enemy.
I want them to have a good and meaningful development, either by ending it here, or keeping them moving forward.

 

[humanbeing]

nothing good will come from allying with this two , Hawkins is a coward and Apo is a villain with no honor.
they have to be taught their lessons and defeated .

 

[Doggo]

Why do people trash on Apoo so much?
Dude was allied with Kaido from the start.
Why not trash on Drake as well?
And regarding Hawkins, Hawkins follow probabilities over "heart". There's nothing fundamentally wrong with that. It's fine to disagree with this, but it's not like it makes him good or trash.

 

[RayanOO]

Why do people trash on Apoo so much?

I think they trash him because they want the SN to be free spirit who don’t submit to anyone.

Why not trash on Drake as well?

It’s not the same for Drake, he is a marine infiltrated in Kaido ranks to gather informations

 

[Doggo]

I think they trash him because they want the SN to be free spirit who don’t submit to anyone.



It’s not the same for Drake, he is a marine infiltrated in Kaido ranks to gather informations

He was Kaido's infiltrate as well.
Since Kaido likes breaking people's spirits, targetting the SN's would be a thing. So he was on a mission.
Not a coincidence the fact that Kaido dropped from the sky island into that specific island where they were gathering. That was planned.
Spy for a spy.

 

[NotTommy]

Apoo seems pretty discontent with the Beast Pirates at the moment but he's still facing Drake. I could definitely see him doing his own thing then wondering if she chose the right side to work for, considering the strongest members of the crew, like Queen, don't actually care for the rest.

Apoo doesn't have much reason to hang around, he could switch sides or just bail on his crew. Either way would work considering all he's been through due to the Beast Pirates (forced to play Ice Oni game, shot at by Queen) as well as due to Luffy's alliance (punched by Kid, cut down by Zoro, chewed by Drake and still currently facing Drake).

Hawkins relies greatly on chance but he also isn't very loyal as he'll switch if the tides turn. He's facing Killer now so if he gets beat, he won't have an opportunity to fight for the alliance but he could still offer support through the card that can make one surpass their limits. If he isn't defeated then he might contemplate on his cards and whether he should continue depending on luck once the alliance starts winning.

 

[Chrono]

Midd and Killer need opponents

Plus it's in their characters to stay in the Beast Pirates side.

 

[Rednick]

I would rather have both of them dead. 13 spnvs are too many. Oda( or an editor, dont remember) once said that he was surprised that none of the rookies were dead by that time(i think wci). Now its the oppurtunity for him to kill them.

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He was Kaido's infiltrate as well.
Since Kaido likes breaking people's spirits, targetting the SN's would be a thing. So he was on a mission.
Not a coincidence the fact that Kaido dropped from the sky island into that specific island where they were gathering. That was planned.
Spy for a spy.

Not the same situation at all. Apoo was scared to death of Kaido so he submitted himself to him at some point after he entered the new world. Drake was on a mission from the very beginning.

 

[Gargo]

You see them becoming a Big family on the long run?

I totally see them joining the Straw Hats grand fleet and facing the END common ennemy ( and save the world ).

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Bonney could even join the Straw Hat crew.

 

[R A I T E I I I]

In this latest chapter 1011 we see that Hawkins is still on the antagonist side, so far both him and Apoo have not switched sides yet.

Would you rather have them still stay as antagonists or would you rather have them switch sides?

Hes switching hes gonna use special card on supernova to defeat yonkou

 

[BleakAsh]

Let oda handle that... Apoo prolly not.. Hawkins is a wise one so there is a possibility for him to join the alliance

 

[Finalbeta]

I totally see them joining the Straw Hats grand fleet and facing the END common ennemy ( and save the world ).

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Bonney could even join the Straw Hat crew.

Well Bonney is my favourite female character, I overall hope she will at least not turn out to be an enemy in the distant future. That much is probably unlikely nevertheless.