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[Herrera95]

1. Jujutsu Kaisen (volume 18) – 2,011,232 copies sold
2. One Piece (volume 101) – 1,793,360 copies sold
3. Jujutsu Kaisen (volume 19) – 1,608,811 copies sold
4. One Piece (volume 102) – 1,605,641 copies sold
5. Spy x Family (volume 9) – 1,232,036 copies sold
6. Tokyo Revengers (volume 25) – 1,126,893 copies sold
7. Tokyo Revengers (volume 26) – 997,857 copies sold
8. Tokyo Revengers (volume 27) – 835,721 copies sold
9. My Hero Academia (volume 33) – 790,901 copies sold
10. Kaiju No. 8 (Volume 5) – 784,760 copies sold

In sales for the last volumes, you will be able to verify that only JJK surpasses One Piece and Spy X Family is close, it will probably surpass them at the end of the year thanks to the anaime of both.

As you said, I can't give you data on Boxing Set sales and digital sales because they don't exist, but I can give you objective data and you should draw your conclusions. Let's do a little exercise: imagine that you are a Japanese boy, 14-15 years old, you live in a small house, you have no income and you are interested in One Piece.

• From where would you get +800$ to buy the complete series?
• Would you prefer to buy the series volume by volume or would you prefer the cheaper Boxing sets?
• If you hardly have space, would you buy a series of +100 or would you prefer a digital version that barely takes up?
• If you have to choose between having 1 complete physical work or having 6-7, which would you prefer

Apart from these issues, what I can tell you is that digital sales grow year after year and manga with more volumes are more affected by the reasons mentioned above.

Do not be influenced by your opinion and let's be impartial.

Okay you have an argument that One Piece is still superior to others because sales per volume is what really matters to know how much reqders are buying it. But still are declining based on previous volumes.

And your digital sales logic only applies to One Piece fans for what reason?
Maybe One Piece sucks in digital sales and all other newer mangas sells more than One Piece.
Maybe only old readers are supporting sales because they already have all volumes while new readers are not reading One Piece and are just buying digital from other manga since they are younger and more digital person than average order One Piece Reader.

 

[Galahad]

Again, there is no metric for digital sales so stop assuming. We can create thousands of exercises but they are still uneducated assumptions. One Piece current sales per volume is on pace to be less than last year.

Here is a chart of 2021 and prior year sales: https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/r5lveu

The problem is that they are not having the things that I have explained to you. If they are assumptions, because we do not have the data, but they are well-founded assumptions. if you really are not capable of reasoning and you only believe what you read, I feel a little sorry for you.

Okay you have an argument that One Piece is still superior to others because sales per volume is what really matters to know how much reqders are buying it. But still are declining based on previous volumes.

And your digital sales logic only applies to One Piece fans for what reason?
Maybe One Piece sucks in digital sales and all other newer mangas sells more than One Piece.
Maybe only old readers are supporting sales because they already have all volumes while new readers are not reading One Piece and are just buying digital from other manga since they are younger and more digital person than average order One Piece Reader.

It's not that digital sales don't affect new manga, it's that long manga are more affected.

Maybe you guys don't take it seriously, but in Japan space is a problem and not everyone can afford to get more than +100 from a single manga. Which inevitably pushes sales towards digital editions. Be careful, this not only affects new users, but old fans who had the collection and have decided to get rid of it for the digital version.

Also, if you wanted to buy the physical manga today, how would you do it? Volume by volume or with boxing Set?

We are all people, we have to use our brain and not blindly believe everything we read.

 

[Herrera95]

It's not that digital sales don't affect new manga, it's that long manga are more affected.

Maybe you guys don't take it seriously, but in Japan space is a problem and not everyone can afford to get more than +100 from a single manga. Which inevitably pushes sales towards digital editions. Be careful, this not only affects new users, but old fans who had the collection and have decided to get rid of it for the digital version.

Also, if you wanted to buy the physical manga today, how would you do it? Volume by volume or with boxing Set?

We are all people, we have to use our brain and not blindly believe everything we read.

Don't you have any data or article that can support your argument even by a little? You are only giving your opinion.

Tendencies are often replicate in similar scenarios. If sales are dropping in physical they most probably are dropping I'm digital too.

 

[Finalbeta]

They are smart so they should

 

[Galahad]

Don't you have any data or article that can support your argument even by a little? You are only giving your opinion.

Tendencies are often replicate in similar scenarios. If sales are dropping in physical they most probably are dropping I'm digital too.

The only thing that I can really give you as data is the average size of the house in Japan.

• Japan - 90 m2
• Usa - 214 m2
• Spain - 144 m2

And this is the average size, which I suppose you know that Japan is famous for its small apartments of 16-25 m2

On the other hand, I can tell you that digital sales grow year after year and not only that, but physical sales decrease. Here is some news for you to check.

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/ne...mic-market-grows-to-411.4-billion-yen/.181895

Apart from this, the truth is that I can provide little more as data because unfortunately digital sales and boxing sets are not quantified. But I think that the best thing is to put yourself in the shoes of a person to draw conclusions, so, I repeat.

Imagine that you are a Japanese boy, 14-15 years old, you live in a small house, you have no income and you are interested in One Piece.

• From where would you get +800$ to buy the complete series?
• Would you prefer to buy the series volume by volume or would you prefer the cheaper Boxing sets?
• If you hardly have space, would you buy a series of +100 or would you prefer a digital version that barely takes up?
• If you have to choose between having 1 complete physical manga or having 6-7, which would you prefer

I'm not really giving my opinion, I'm drawing the logical conclusion. I certainly wouldn't buy One Piece volume by volume or crazy. If I had space and money I would buy the Boxing Set because I like paper (which I am not sure what happens to young people) and if not the digital version.

 

[Herrera95]

The only thing that I can really give you as data is the average size of the house in Japan.

• Japan - 90 m2
• Usa - 214 m2
• Spain - 144 m2

And this is the average size, which I suppose you know that Japan is famous for its small apartments of 16-25 m2

On the other hand, I can tell you that digital sales grow year after year and not only that, but physical sales decrease. Here is some news for you to check.

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/ne...mic-market-grows-to-411.4-billion-yen/.181895

Apart from this, the truth is that I can provide little more as data because unfortunately digital sales and boxing sets are not quantified. But I think that the best thing is to put yourself in the shoes of a person to draw conclusions, so, I repeat.

Imagine that you are a Japanese boy, 14-15 years old, you live in a small house, you have no income and you are interested in One Piece.

• From where would you get +800$ to buy the complete series?
• Would you prefer to buy the series volume by volume or would you prefer the cheaper Boxing sets?
• If you hardly have space, would you buy a series of +100 or would you prefer a digital version that barely takes up?
• If you have to choose between having 1 complete physical manga or having 6-7, which would you prefer

I'm not really giving my opinion, I'm drawing the logical conclusion. I certainly wouldn't buy One Piece volume by volume or crazy. If I had space and money I would buy the Boxing Set because I like paper (which I am not sure what happens to young people) and if not the digital version.

How that translates to our discussion?

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In contrast, digital magazine sales fell from 11 billion yen (US$96.64 million) to 9.9 billion yen (about US$86.98 million) from 2020 to 2021. The hon.jp website credited the growth in digital comics to comics that received screen adaptations, as well as popular vertical-scrolling comics such as Webtoon and Smartoon. The website also noted that the digital manga numbers do not include revenues from advertising and digital libraries.

The monthly print periodicals market (including comics and magazine books/"mooks") fell 4.5% compared with 2020, and weekly print periodicals fell 9.7%. Within the monthly print periodicals market, regularly published magazines fell about 7%, while mooks fell about 14%. Buoyed by Demon Slayer: Kimetsu no Yaiba's success, compiled print volumes of manga grew 20% in 2020, and then dipped about 1% in 2021.

The AJPEA previously reported last year that the manga market went up 23% in 2020 compared to 2019."

 

[Galahad]

How that translates to our discussion?

"
In contrast, digital magazine sales fell from 11 billion yen (US$96.64 million) to 9.9 billion yen (about US$86.98 million) from 2020 to 2021. The hon.jp website credited the growth in digital comics to comics that received screen adaptations, as well as popular vertical-scrolling comics such as Webtoon and Smartoon. The website also noted that the digital manga numbers do not include revenues from advertising and digital libraries.

The monthly print periodicals market (including comics and magazine books/"mooks") fell 4.5% compared with 2020, and weekly print periodicals fell 9.7%. Within the monthly print periodicals market, regularly published magazines fell about 7%, while mooks fell about 14%. Buoyed by Demon Slayer: Kimetsu no Yaiba's success, compiled print volumes of manga grew 20% in 2020, and then dipped about 1% in 2021.

The AJPEA previously reported last year that the manga market went up 23% in 2020 compared to 2019."

Boy, read the full story.

The drop in sales refers to magazines, such as Shonen Jump, which is logical because they suffered a Boom with the theme of Covid-19. Magazines are disposable and cheaper, so the Japanese prefer the physical format. By contrast, digital volumes were up +18% which is a barbarity.

If you look at the great physical sales boom, they correspond to manga with less than 25 volumes (short), with recently released anime and with the appearance of not being very long (KnY is over, JJK is also nearing the end, we'll see Spy xFamily)...

It is practically the antithesis of what One Piece represents. A Manga with +100 volumes, which has had anime almost as long as the manga, easily has +20 volumes left (more than many entire works)...

But it is curious that you still do not answer the questions that I asked you before

 

[ArturCantSpeakJapanese]

The problem is that they are not having the things that I have explained to you. If they are assumptions, because we do not have the data, but they are well-founded assumptions. if you really are not capable of reasoning and you only believe what you read, I feel a little sorry for you.



It's not that digital sales don't affect new manga, it's that long manga are more affected.

Maybe you guys don't take it seriously, but in Japan space is a problem and not everyone can afford to get more than +100 from a single manga. Which inevitably pushes sales towards digital editions. Be careful, this not only affects new users, but old fans who had the collection and have decided to get rid of it for the digital version.

Also, if you wanted to buy the physical manga today, how would you do it? Volume by volume or with boxing Set?

We are all people, we have to use our brain and not blindly believe everything we read.

I buy the manga and I'll tell you right now I'm not buying shit unless it's a box set because I want to save money. When the series is this long you'd have to be insane to buy the volumes individually

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Also one piece has a digital only official color edition. It is obviously selling very well digitally because they would not spend the huge effort of making an official color version otherwise. Very few manga actually get color editions.

It's kind of embarrassing seeing these people post about one piece "failing". Like they don't just dislike the manga, they need for it to be unsuccessful so they feel better and so they imagine it's dropping and shonen jump will kick Oda out any minute now. Meanwhile it's still extremely successful and not really slowing down at all, so it just makes people who say this look crazy.

 

[Galahad]

I buy the manga and I'll tell you right now I'm not buying shit unless it's a box set because I want to save money. When the series is this long you'd have to be insane to buy the volumes individually

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Also one piece has a digital only official color edition. It is obviously selling very well digitally because they would not spend the huge effort of making an official color version otherwise. Very few manga actually get color editions.

Exact.

I found out about the existence of the manga when the Muguis arrived at Sabaody for the first time, until then I only followed the anime. I followed the anime for a long time until I decided to make the leap to the manga and caught up precisely in the chapter where Luffy destroys a pacifist.

That was 60 volumes, I was 17 years old and had no income. It was literally impossible for me to buy the full One Piece. Much less now that we are talking about +100 volumes, although now I do have income, I cannot afford to spend +800$ at once. Unfortunately in my language there are no boxing sets, if they are released I will buy them and if not I will wait for the Kanzenban version in 40 years. Since I want the physical format.

It's kind of embarrassing seeing these people post about one piece "failing". Like they don't just dislike the manga, they need for it to be unsuccessful so they feel better and so they imagine it's dropping and shonen jump will kick Oda out any minute now. Meanwhile it's still extremely successful and not really slowing down at all, so it just makes people who say this look crazy.

I think that many times people prefer to go with the flow and believe anything they read instead of being informed and drawing their own conclusions. I think I have given more than enough arguments so that with a little reasoning people understand the truth.

And in fact I have been in Japan and I have to say that One Piece is even in the soup. Only Dragon Ball comes close to him.

And for example something that surprised me a lot is that you go through the streets and you can find Shonen Jump packages to recycle, because as I said they are throwaway magazines.

 

[PuckTheGreat]

@PuckTheGreat

Not really on the Japanese OP Forums & rarely follow JP OP fan Twitter reactions to the chapters anymore as my interest in the series in general as plummeted significantly over the course of this arc but from what I’ve seen from the YouTubers I watch & the few reactions tweets I see, the JP fanbase seem quite satisfied with the arc. For instance as opposed to the English fanbase which threw a massive tantrum about the way Kaido was defeated the JP fans seemed pretty satisfied with it. Some did show a bit of skepticism about Kaido dying to Lava for instance, but they were also pretty open to the possibility of him dying to it from a narrative standpoint.

Only Youtuber I watch that expressed a bit of criticism towards Oda’s writing (I.e. iirc think it was something about the inconsistency btw Kaido’s words & actions) & took the piss a bit how dragged out Luffy v Kaido was, was Toya from Koyakki channel but his personality is pretty unique in that he always fcks around so it wasn’t really like a ‘Oda’s rubbish kinda take’ but more of ‘this don’t make no sense’ in a joking manner.

JP OP fans imo adore Oda. Also they aren’t as opinionated & critical about Oda’s writing as the western fanbase. On the contrary, they always put him on a pedestal.

but hey this is just my opinion from what I’ve seen will be interesting to see if someone else that also consumes the JP raw content has a different opinion on this ^^.

 

[fakename]

Not really on the Japanese OP Forums & rarely follow JP OP fan Twitter reactions to the chapters anymore as my interest in the series in general as plummeted significantly over the course of this arc but from what I’ve seen from the YouTubers I watch & the few reactions tweets I see, the JP fanbase seem quite satisfied with the arc. For instance as opposed to the English fanbase which threw a massive tantrum about the way Kaido was defeated the JP fans seemed pretty satisfied with it. Some did show a bit of skepticism about Kaido dying to Lava for instance, but they were also pretty open to the possibility of him dying to it from a narrative standpoint.

Only Youtuber I watch that expressed a bit of criticism towards Oda’s writing (I.e. iirc think it was something about the inconsistency btw Kaido’s words & actions) & took the piss a bit how dragged out Luffy v Kaido was, was Toya from Koyakki channel but his personality is pretty unique in that he always fcks around so it wasn’t really like a ‘Oda’s rubbish kinda take’ but more of ‘this don’t make no sense’ in a joking manner.

JP OP fans imo adore Oda. Also they aren’t as opinionated & critical about Oda’s writing as the western fanbase. On the contrary, they always put him on a pedestal.

but hey this is just my opinion from what I’ve seen will be interesting to see if someone else that also consumes the JP raw content has a different opinion on this ^^.

Thanks for your input. Just wondering, are they simply positve or do they go to the extremes of people saying things like "Goda!!!" and "peak fiction!"(I know they dont use these words but is the reverance as high or do they see them as a guy who just makes a good childrens comic?)

 

[PuckTheGreat]

Thanks for your input. Just wondering, are they simply positve or do they go to the extremes of people saying things like "Goda!!!" and "peak fiction!"(I know they dont use these words but is the reverance as high or do they see them as a guy who just makes a good childrens comic?)

Folks occasionally call him a genius & comment on certain chapters being "godly", but doesn't really come across to me as unrestricted wank lol (at least from the fanbase itself). Editors' however always wank him.

 

[U c 4 up da idly]

No one of bringing up sales as one piece doesn't a good have anime to bump it up

 

[Finalbeta]

We should look at their polls

 

[fakename]

Folks occasionally call him a genius & comment on certain chapters being "godly", but doesn't really come across to me as unrestricted wank lol (at least from the fanbase itself). Editors' however always wank him.

Thanks again for the info. But with it being so pushed with merchandise and in pop culture is there a simmilar reaction as people hating super hero movies (hell I sure do) or is one piece seen as part of the culture now, like mikey mouse in america (I presume, never been to america)

 

[Herrera95]

Boy, read the full story.

The drop in sales refers to magazines, such as Shonen Jump, which is logical because they suffered a Boom with the theme of Covid-19. Magazines are disposable and cheaper, so the Japanese prefer the physical format. By contrast, digital volumes were up +18% which is a barbarity.

If you look at the great physical sales boom, they correspond to manga with less than 25 volumes (short), with recently released anime and with the appearance of not being very long (KnY is over, JJK is also nearing the end, we'll see Spy xFamily)...

It is practically the antithesis of what One Piece represents. A Manga with +100 volumes, which has had anime almost as long as the manga, easily has +20 volumes left (more than many entire works)...

But it is curious that you still do not answer the questions that I asked you before

Imagine that you are a Japanese boy, 14-15 years old, you live in a small house, you have no income and you are interested in One Piece.

• From where would you get +800$ to buy the complete series?
• Would you prefer to buy the series volume by volume or would you prefer the cheaper Boxing sets?
• If you hardly have space, would you buy a series of +100 or would you prefer a digital version that barely takes up?
• If you have to choose between having 1 complete physical manga or having 6-7, which would you prefer

As a Brazilian man I don't spend one cent buying manga, I just read/watch online for free.
Do you think your questions are great for this debate?

 

[Galahad]

Imagine that you are a Japanese boy, 14-15 years old, you live in a small house, you have no income and you are interested in One Piece.

• From where would you get +800$ to buy the complete series?
• Would you prefer to buy the series volume by volume or would you prefer the cheaper Boxing sets?
• If you hardly have space, would you buy a series of +100 or would you prefer a digital version that barely takes up?
• If you have to choose between having 1 complete physical manga or having 6-7, which would you prefer

As a Brazilian man I don't spend one cent buying manga, I just read/watch online for free.
Do you think your questions are great for this debate?

Yes, I think my questions are the best for this debate. It doesn't matter where you're from, your opinion doesn't matter, your circumstances don't matter, if you really want to understand people, you have to put yourself in their shoes, which is the purpose of my questions.

I don't even have the intention of imposing my opinion, what I want is that through those questions you reason and draw your own conclusions. And I don't think blindly believing what you read is the best lifestyle. In my country there is a saying, do not believe anything you read and only half of what you see. And I think this is the healthiest thing, especially in today's society where people only want visits and controversy.

And it's funny that you keep going around, but you still don't put the questions in context.

 

[Midnight Delight]

For instance as opposed to the English fanbase which threw a massive tantrum about the way Kaido was defeated the JP fans seemed pretty satisfied with it. Some did show a bit of skepticism about Kaido dying to Lava for instance, but they were also pretty open to the possibility of him dying to it from a narrative standpoint.

Most of the english fanbase didn't care if we are being honest

 

[BleakAsh]

As crazy as it might sound, Japanese people are all individuals with their own opinions. Some like the arc and others don’t. No different from here

wow they are humans too?!

 

[Herrera95]

Yes, I think my questions are the best for this debate. It doesn't matter where you're from, your opinion doesn't matter, your circumstances don't matter, if you really want to understand people, you have to put yourself in their shoes, which is the purpose of my questions.

I don't even have the intention of imposing my opinion, what I want is that through those questions you reason and draw your own conclusions. And I don't think blindly believing what you read is the best lifestyle. In my country there is a saying, do not believe anything you read and only half of what you see. And I think this is the healthiest thing, especially in today's society where people only want visits and controversy.

And it's funny that you keep going around, but you still don't put the questions in context.

You lack of logic overall in your argument.

You have a good start saying that Japanese average house are small, teenagers(the supposed target audience) doesn't have a lot of income and etc.

But it was like this since the beginning. Why One Piece used to sell so much before and not now? Why other manga are selling better than One Piece? Why One Piece despite declining sales as before is still top 10 manga?

Your arguments doesn't answer those questions.