Powers & Abilities Does Luffy being able to use gear 4 from base remove the time limit drawback?

[DonWick]

It appears to me that Luffy has received a significant buff in Wano. Being able to use G4 from base should remove his time limit making him more of a monster than he already is.

We saw Gear 4 Luffy box evenly with Kaido for an extended period of time 1v1. In my opinion he would have lost due to the time limit and Kaido just being stronger. Regardless though this makes Luffy Yonko level in base now it was debatable before I think it’s less debatable now.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Yes and No.

- Small Gear 4 means he’s able to limit the transformation to one part of his body, likely because he’s aware his powers are transformation based and not just rubber. Because he’s able to limit the transformation, the haki usage drops significantly

- However, Small Gear 4 does not give Luffy the durability boost that Gear 4 gives him by making his body more elastic so it’s a pure AP boost but his durability is just that of his base.

- If Luffy uses Gear 4 in its full form, the haki timeout still will occur because just Luffy would still just run out of CoA.

 

[DonWick]

Yes and No.

- Small Gear 4 means he’s able to limit the transformation to one part of his body, likely because he’s aware his powers are transformation based and not just rubber. Because he’s able to limit the transformation, the haki usage drops significantly

- However, Small Gear 4 does not give Luffy the durability boost that Gear 4 gives him by making his body more elastic so it’s a pure AP boost but his durability is just that of his base.

- If Luffy uses Gear 4 in its full form, the haki timeout still will occur because just Luffy would still just run out of CoA.

While it’s true that the elasticity is limited to to the body part he’s attacking with doesn’t that also mean he could make the remainder of his body mimic that in base?

 

[nik87]

Time limit is still there, as long as he uses the original G4 transformation.
Partial use should not include the usual penalty because a lot less haki is being used.
The issue is that it probably limits his skillset a lot and things like Kong Organ cannot be pulled off but we'll see.
Also, I wouldnt call it significant buff, it just devaulued his gears even more. Now the only relevant gears are 1 and 5. Everything in between became insignificant. While his base is improved, it will bever be as good as OG gears, despite lack of drawback. At least so far you could excuse him losing due to drawbacks but now that excuse isnt an option anymore...

 

[Sir Yasheen]

While it’s true that the elasticity is limited to to the body part he’s attacking with doesn’t that also mean he could make the remainder of his body mimic that in base?

No cause that still requires the “Muscle Balloon” if Luffy can move around the muscle balloon like old school G3 with bone balloon then maybe and it would be a great way to use future sight for him, but we haven’t seen that yet.

 

[SkySanji]

Probably, though partial G4 is likely inferior to full G4.

 

[MonsterKaido]

Luffy sill does not get mobility and dura of G4. His AP increases to G4 level.

 

[DonWick]

No cause that still requires the “Muscle Balloon” if Luffy can move around the muscle balloon like old school G3 with bone balloon then maybe and it would be a great way to use future sight for him, but we haven’t seen that yet.

I guess he’s proved that he can by using it from base. It wouldn’t make since for him not to be able to. But if you need to see it first that’s fine. Honestly I don’t think soda will ever go that in depth.

Post automatically merged: Monday at 4:42 PM

Probably, though partial G4 is likely inferior to full G4.

I don’t know if I agree. It depends on how efficient he is with it. I can see why you would say that. But if he can just use it where he needs it instead of exerting himself constantly it will be more effective.

Post automatically merged: Monday at 4:44 PM

Time limit is still there, as long as he uses the original G4 transformation.
Partial use should not include the usual penalty because a lot less haki is being used.
The issue is that it probably limits his skillset a lot and things like Kong Organ cannot be pulled off but we'll see.
Also, I wouldnt call it significant buff, it just devaulued his gears even more. Now the only relevant gears are 1 and 5. Everything in between became insignificant. While his base is improved, it will bever be as good as OG gears, despite lack of drawback. At least so far you could excuse him losing due to drawbacks but now that excuse isnt an option anymore...

I do think gear 4 has been power crept so that level of strength wouldn’t be enough to defeat a Yonko. However, it could be enough to ware them down before using gear 5 which has the drawback. It’ll allow Luffy to take people down in one round of gear 5 potentially.

Post automatically merged: Monday at 4:46 PM

Luffy sill does not get mobility and dura of G4. His AP increases to G4 level.

I guess I don’t see why he wouldn’t be able to use it in his legs for mobility like he did his arms for power. He should be able to spring off of his legs, cut it off and while flying use g4 in his arms.

This is just speculation but it makes sense to me.

 

[SkySanji]

I don’t know if I agree. It depends on how efficient he is with it. I can see why you would say that. But if he can just use it where he needs it instead of exerting himself constantly it will be more effective.

Partial G4 has to be inferior in some way, be that less durable, less speed or less power, otherwise a full G4 transformation would be pointless.

 

[JoNdule]

G4 using too much CoA haki and exhausting luffy is still dumb
The time limit should have been at least 1 hour

Kaido spams CoC and uses his fruit for hours--> no drawbacks
Even when he's constantly covering his body with haki so that hax abilities don't work

 

[DonWick]

Partial G4 has to be inferior in some way, be that less durable, less speed or less power, otherwise a full G4 transformation would be pointless.

I get that I think you get everything at once with a full g4. However, with the partial transformation he has to actively manipulate where the change occurs. It could be a speed to transformation issue. But I see it like full body CoA vs using CoA on a specific part of your body.

Post automatically merged: Monday at 5:56 PM

G4 using too much CoA haki and exhausting luffy is still dumb
The time limit should have been at least 1 hour

Kaido spams CoC and uses his fruit for hours--> no drawbacks
Even when he's constantly covering his body with haki so that hax abilities don't work

I agree Luffys drawbacks have always been stupid to me. No one else has real draw backs.

 

[grey matter]

I don't think this is a significant boost.
It's just an improvement to attack power. Honestly though, G3 might just have become useless now lol.

But anyway, full G4 transformation still has buffs to speed, durability, etc.

G4 using too much CoA haki and exhausting luffy is still dumb
The time limit should have been at least 1 hour

Kaido spams CoC and uses his fruit for hours--> no drawbacks
Even when he's constantly covering his body with haki so that hax abilities don't work

I mean, at least the time limit should be increasing, as Luffy's haki pool increases. To me, that's logical.
A certain amount of armament haki is required to "maintain" compression required for the G4 form. The rest would be used for attacking, defending, etc.

If Luffy's total haki pool increase, I see no reason why the time limit shouldn't increase, since Luffy has more haki in reserve after subtracting the haki required for maintaining G4.

 

[Ven437]

Full G4 > Partial G4 > G3 > G2 in terms of AP

There is no speed boost in G4 unless he does it to his legs only

Partial G4 is good for fodder clean-up and mid-diff battles but impractical against high-diff battles

We still don’t know whether he can use Gatling G4 like he can with G3 though

 

[JoNdule]

I don't think this is a significant boost.
It's just an improvement to attack power. Honestly though, G3 might just have become useless now lol.

But anyway, full G4 transformation still has buffs to speed, durability, etc.



I mean, at least the time limit should be increasing, as Luffy's haki pool increases. To me, that's logical.
A certain amount of armament haki is required to "maintain" compression required for the G4 form. The rest would be used for attacking, defending, etc.

If Luffy's total haki pool increase, I see no reason why the time limit shouldn't increase, since Luffy has more haki in reserve after subtracting the haki required for maintaining G4.

Katakuri spammed CoA + Awakening + FS for hours...
His awakened attacks were covered with CoA mosy of the times in those hours
Yet he didn't have any drawback ...not forgetting he also unleashes CoC in his powerful attacks.

So if katakuri can casually use awakening, fs and higher level of CoA like nothing,
Why is Yonko Luffy still having 30 min timelimit of g4?

 

[RayanOO]

Katakuri spammed CoA + Awakening + FS for hours...
His awakened attacks were covered with CoA mosy of the times in those hours
Yet he didn't have any drawback ...not forgetting he also unleashes CoC in his powerful attacks.

So if katakuri can usually use awakening, fs and higher level of CoA like nothing,
Why is Yonko Luffy still having 30 min timelimit of g4?

Maybe flame COA is special and more consuming
(But yeah it’s me trying to rationalize even if the time limit was just a cheap trick for Oda)

 

[JoNdule]

Maybe flame COA is special and more consuming
(But yeah it’s me trying to rationalize even if the time limit was just a cheap trick for Oda)

Katakuri also has flame CoA

Oda is just a hack

Post automatically merged: Tuesday at 11:03 AM

He just hates writing fights

This is why Luffy vs top tiers sucks cause Luffy can't fight at full power more than 30-35 min in g4 or 10-15 min in g5,
So now he needs breaks everytime or savings.
Even when he's not going all out, just using g4 or g5 taxes him

 

[RayanOO]

Katakuri also has flame CoA

Yeah but Kata didn’t use it full time

only used it with spiked mochi not for his other moves

so less consuming than G4 who is using flame haki full time

(once again I don’t even buy what I am saying lol, Oda is just a hack)

 

[kekaro]

In the initial reveal of G4 Luffy himself says its boost is mobility and defense alongside AP.
A partial G4 doesn't really do that because how G4 really works, in all his forms.

That being said oda could have dropped it and just didn't bother to say or show it like he always does

 

[Tai long]

Full G4 > Partial G4 > G3 > G2 in terms of AP

There is no speed boost in G4 unless he does it to his legs only

Partial G4 is good for fodder clean-up and mid-diff battles but impractical against high-diff battles

We still don’t know whether he can use Gatling G4 like he can with G3 though

why is is it impractical for high diff battle when he was using g3 against kaido. partial g4 would have been better

 

[The DevilMaster]

Luffy could already do this in 923, the real issue is that he needs to fly here to reach the target and gain traction power to hit harder.