Questions & Mysteries Does Oda confirm again having too many coc users in a crew is bad ?

#21
But Zoro abandoned his dream for Luffy in Thriller Bark. No member of Rox would do that for Rox.

Luffy can.
"Someday I would have been the World's Best Swordsman"
Meaning he will not become the WSS.
Because he gave up that goal.
To save Luffy and the crew.
By giving his life.
Which he considers a worthy exchange.
Because he would have become the WSS.
Would have.
Had he not given up on his dream in that moment.
If Zoro abondoned his dream then why did Zoro still remember his promise to his best friend and his captain about becoming the WSS which is his dream and had Kingly Ambition to even claim himself as King Of Hell to become WSS?

 
#23
If Zoro abondoned his dream then why did Zoro still remember his promise to his best friend and his captain about becoming the WSS which is his dream?


they keep leaving this small panel
zoro is saying whats the point of me being the strongest when i cant save my closest ones
him saving his closest ones is part of his wss dream

its not just defeating mihawk its more then that
 
#24

they keep leaving this small panel
zoro is saying whats the point of me being the strongest when i cant save my closest ones
him saving his closest ones is part of his wss dream

its not just defeating mihawk its more then that
It literally is adding element to his own dreams, especially his character on his loyalty aspect
like Sanji, Robin and any other SH honestly
- Does Sanji abandoned his dream to search and find All Blue when he said "Just Give up you Ambition" at Baratie because its nearly impossible to do? Nope
- Does Sanji Abandoned his dream to search and find All Blue when he willingly sacfrificed himself to Kuma and Judge to save his friends like what Zoro did at Thriller Bark? Nope
- Does Robin Abandoned her dream to know the history of Void Century, Poneglyph and Will of D. when she sacrificed herself at Ennies Lobby? Nope

It just adding the element to their dreams, by making Luffy's dream priority as their boss/captain, u can also achieving ur dreams at the same time
 
#27
No
literally the next panel after that is Rocks threatening kaido and kaido sweating.

The thing about Rocks was he was stronger than all of his subordinates by a pretty huge margin and so, he could afford to not give a fuck about how they operate. As long as they followed him on his plans, he didn't care.
And the only reason Rocks pirates failed was because Roger pirates and Garp teamed up. Potentially even Garling helped too. Maybe even imu.
None of that was because of "too many conquerors" under Rocks. It was because Roger and co cheated and teamed up like little bitches.

Now, if it turns out WB did backstab Rocks like many speculate, then there's a case to be made for "too many conquerors". But even then, that's still only one conqueror betraying out of like 5 of them. So it's still not true.
 
#30
People here arguing semantics is so stupid, Zoro in that moment forsook or gave up his assured achievement I.e. his goal to be the WSS, to save Luffy. Abandon/gave up are all synonym of exactly the same thing. People here try to defend Zoro like their mums.
 
#31
People here arguing semantics is so stupid, Zoro in that moment forsook or gave up his assured achievement I.e. his goal to be the WSS, to save Luffy. Abandon/gave up are all synonym of exactly the same thing. People here try to defend Zoro like their mums.
Again this isn't matter of defending Zoro like their mums like u claim. This is the matter of understanding the story. The key word is "in that moment" here, y'all act like Zoro gave up his WSS dream entirely after thriller bark when he still remember his dream to become WSS because he was promised by his best friend and his captain from Wano. Like he still want to be WSS or nah? If not, why claiming if it what it takes he willingly call himself King of Hell, because to become one you need Kingly ambitions?
Anyway, He adds the other elements on his Dream just like any SH. which is to make Luffy become King of the Pirates. So that means Luffy dreams had the same priority as their dreams.
I gave ya example of Sanji story cuz I pretty much like his hidden plot story progression,
This is just like when Sanji said he gave up his dream, but secretly still doesn't gave up, willingly to stay at baratie because he was indebted to Zeff saving him, then he even got lectured about man's dream and grit after don't krieg fight, and still after that Sanji don't wanna leave baratie, and then we got all baratie cheff to act cold to Sanji especially Zeff to give him a little push to a journey achieving his dream.
So Would u say in that moment Sanji gave up his dream because he choose to stay at baratie because he indebted to Zeff?
Again if anybody on this forum, tells that whole SH gave up their dreams, I would do the same as this.



Ps. Again want to clarify this isn't toxic debate, this is just discussion. Cuz it's going to be pointless if its one
 
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#32
zoro didnt abandoned his dream bro
he said whats good for his dream if he cant save his captain (also would be for his other crewmate)
he isnt abandoning it rather add more elements into his dream

u can say he dropped his pride for luffy but i think rocks crewmate dropped their pride for rocks too
He did though, Zoro pretty much lives to serve Luffy right now. He wants to be th strongest so that he can serve Luffy better.
 
#35
Doesn't Oda's shitty writing literally say that a stronger CoC user can tame and make other CoC users work for him? Like literally Roger with ray, gaban, oden? And Akainu with Kizaru, GB, Fuji?
 
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