Powers & Abilities Does OP have the worst Power System ?

#41
To the inconsistent, nonsensical and unmerited Haki system. To the ruined, stupid and also inconsistent DF system.

Oda found a way to ruin both powersystems. Like did he seriously have to make Zoan DFs "alive" and all DFs looking for their users. Like this destiny and chosen ones shit is starting to get cringe.

"Murr this DF chose him because it fulfills his dream". So bad...
this is classic shounen Fairy Tail, Black Clover, Bleach and so on all end somewhere with there powerscaling
 
#42
worst might be an overstatement, but he definitely has a bad power system in haki. It's vague on purpose because Oda doesn't want to restict himself when it comes to creating power ups.

He's also horrible at establishing a power structure amongst characters. Best example is Law and Doffy. Law went from being completely outmatched to making a Yonko beg in a matter of what? a month? Doffy is considered to be the second strongest warlord, probably a 2B beri bounty pirate by one side of the community, but the other side of the community thinks of him as a YC4 lvl character at best.
I like the vagueness, adds a bit of of character and realism to this funny manga, power structures in other anime are too sterile for my taste. I also like how they are called by different names in different places. In some places, people aren’t even aware if they are true or just old wives tale.
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Same thing about power structure, in real life it is about matchups and how resilient you are or how much luck you have on your side
 
#43
Yes, it's visually and mechanically the worst power system I have seen.

Just look at this:
Here Kaido was supposedly did not feel pain from Luffy's attacks:


And here is Luffy after learning 2 advanced CoA techniques doing the same attack and now Kaido feels the pain:


SHIT LOOKS EXACTLY THE FUCKING SAME as it did in act 1. Nothing has changed visually. The reader has no idea what haki Luffy is using visually and just has to guess.

It's horrendous. Almost every fight is like this. Just bunch of guessing.
 
#44
If you watch/read one piece for anything other than the plot you're wasting your time, and complaining about it is just wasting the time of others.

If you want to watch something that dedicates any time to powerscaling go rewatch the early dbz arcs or 7 deadly sins spends a decent amount of time talking about people's individual power levels.
 
#45
We’re just not looking for clear visual showings of what haki you’re using because it’s mostly up to the story.

All of the fights are for the plot, Luffy struggling against fodder or fodder being used to be a threat.
Haki not being shown .

Were this far in the story but they still don’t show haki and fodder being a threat.
 
#47
Off the top of my head?

Luffy vs Katakuri: " I can now see why my brother cracker lost" - Katakuri after seeing Luffy land hits on him
Luffy vs Katakuri: "I must surpass him!" - clearly a X>Y scenario
Law vs Tashigi " Spirit alone doesn't make a swordsman" - A showing that will itself doesn't mean much
Doffy vs Law " You think you can beat me with guts alone" - more of the same
Kaido vs Luffy " Roger ruled the world thanks to haki!" - Another X >>> thanks to his strength

and the times where Luffy reinforces he will be stronger than the Yonko + Admirals. Powerscaling is pretty linear in OP after the introduction of haki.
Like Sigran said, an equal system doesn't mean that people can't become better than others. Luffy wanted to surpasss Katakuri and what he represented, but it doesn't mean he wanted to be the strongest. Nothing here negates what I said about the system of One Piece regarding the devil fruits and the Haki powers. Those system are here to even the plain field, but strong or intelligent individuals can make their way to the top besides that.

The point is: Each battle in One Piece stands on context, NO battle and NO character is absolute in power so it's near impossible to create a powerscaling system. That's why I propose instead a multidimensional Powerweb.
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When every major conflict in your story are resolve by a fight, your story is about powerscalling.
Still no.
 
#49
Its funny how devil fruits started off as a complete mystery and as soon as we start getting information people be like Oda ruin an establish system...What was establish???

If people knew how ridiculous they sound, they wouldn't spend so much time complaining. Also before anyone says anything, I am not defending Oda. He is a human being. Complaints about haki is valid but devil fruits are not, yall don't even know where devil fruits came from.

People keep forgetting that Oda stretched this series out further than Luffy's devil fruit. Warlords and Supernovas were added, this is probably were he wanted to go all along.
 
#50
To the inconsistent, nonsensical and unmerited Haki system. To the ruined, stupid and also inconsistent DF system.

Oda found a way to ruin both powersystems. Like did he seriously have to make Zoan DFs "alive" and all DFs looking for their users. Like this destiny and chosen ones shit is starting to get cringe.

"Murr this DF chose him because it fulfills his dream". So bad...
Haki is super simple.And its not very unique at all its a pretty basic power system. Drf not one of my favs
 
#52
Yes when apoo one shot Luffy and majority of fandom still didnt want put him over Luffy even tho oda shows who better in that moment that a problem :pepapoo:plus never got his revenge just went home with the L :finally:
 
#54
He's also horrible at establishing a power structure amongst characters. Best example is Law and Doffy. Law went from being completely outmatched to making a Yonko beg in a matter of what? a month? Doffy is considered to be the second strongest warlord, probably a 2B beri bounty pirate by one side of the community, but the other side of the community thinks of him as a YC4 lvl character at best.
Why does everyone ignore the fact that he designed Law's whole fighting style?
 
#58
The issue is oda doesn't explains haki properly and keeps on adding new stuff every arc. In most other systems like HxH , naruto , bleach the basic system is explained and individual abilities are main thing like hatsu , justu , zanpakuto and are given more importance.

In OP haki the base system is still not explained fully so it feels inconsistent with oda adding more to it as we progress
 
#59
Like Sigran said, an equal system doesn't mean that people can't become better than others.
I don't get how this makes One Piece power system non linear

Luffy wanted to surpasss Katakuri and what he represented, but it doesn't mean he wanted to be the strongest.
Luffy has word for word has said before that he wanted to be stronger than his enemies. He doesn't need to literally said he's aiming to be the strongest for Oda to emphasize his aim for strength
Nothing here negates what I said about the system of One Piece regarding the devil fruits and the Haki powers. Those system are here to even the plain field, but strong or intelligent individuals can make their way to the top besides that..
It does because One Piece's structure at times is as simple as X>Y>Z, all these variables you claim characters have don't change their overall structure. Comments like Law's and Doffy's point out that these variables alone(will) won't get you far.


Literally what you said can be applied to Dragon Ball, the most linear power system ever. Gohan doesn't need SSj3 to be stronger than Goku, he has ultimate potential unlocked, Piccolo doesn't need a Saiyan form, he fuses with Kami etc. That doesn't change that at the end of the day is still pretty much X>Y>Z

The point is: Each battle in One Piece stands on context, NO battle and NO character is absolute in power so it's near impossible to create a powerscaling system. That's why I propose instead a multidimensional Powerweb.
Except the story clearly establishes otherwise lol
 
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