Powers & Abilities Does OP have the worst Power System ?
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I mean, I love powerscaling, it's fun, but it can't apply to One Piece. The closest thing we could have is a multidimensional powerweb
In One Piece, we can't be absolute. We would need to take into account:
- Is the character feeling well or is he in good shape ?
- Is the character has a negating power like Tama or Perona?
- How can both capacities interacts with each other? Fire/Ice - Electricity/Rubber
- Which character has the biggest "will" and the most to lose?
- What do Oda wants to tell in specific situations? (the situation is what will make the character the winner)
- Which character has the best strategic mind?
etc.
Storytelling through fighting system in One Piece is multidimensional it's not absolute. Devil fruit are here to enhance the fight and the thematic not be the decisive parameters.. so creating a powerscaling is almost impossible..
That's why One Piece's fights are so interesting.
In One Piece, we can't be absolute. We would need to take into account:
- Is the character feeling well or is he in good shape ?
- Is the character has a negating power like Tama or Perona?
- How can both capacities interacts with each other? Fire/Ice - Electricity/Rubber
- Which character has the biggest "will" and the most to lose?
- What do Oda wants to tell in specific situations? (the situation is what will make the character the winner)
- Which character has the best strategic mind?
etc.
Storytelling through fighting system in One Piece is multidimensional it's not absolute. Devil fruit are here to enhance the fight and the thematic not be the decisive parameters.. so creating a powerscaling is almost impossible..
That's why One Piece's fights are so interesting.
Oda doesn’t care about power scaling or power systems. He only cares about dreams, freedom, and the desire to do those things. All of which Haki and DFs are what seemingly all about.
DFs should’ve gone the way of science but it is what it is. Still an infinitely better power system than the likes of Dragon Ball or Bleach if I’m being honest.
DFs should’ve gone the way of science but it is what it is. Still an infinitely better power system than the likes of Dragon Ball or Bleach if I’m being honest.
Off the top of my head?
Luffy vs Katakuri: " I can now see why my brother cracker lost" - Katakuri after seeing Luffy land hits on him
Luffy vs Katakuri: "I must surpass him!" - clearly a X>Y scenario
Law vs Tashigi " Spirit alone doesn't make a swordsman" - A showing that will itself doesn't mean much
Doffy vs Law " You think you can beat me with guts alone" - more of the same
Kaido vs Luffy " Roger ruled the world thanks to haki!" - Another X >>> thanks to his strength
and the times where Luffy reinforces he will be stronger than the Yonko + Admirals. Powerscaling is pretty linear in OP after the introduction of haki.
Luffy vs Katakuri: " I can now see why my brother cracker lost" - Katakuri after seeing Luffy land hits on him
Luffy vs Katakuri: "I must surpass him!" - clearly a X>Y scenario
Law vs Tashigi " Spirit alone doesn't make a swordsman" - A showing that will itself doesn't mean much
Doffy vs Law " You think you can beat me with guts alone" - more of the same
Kaido vs Luffy " Roger ruled the world thanks to haki!" - Another X >>> thanks to his strength
and the times where Luffy reinforces he will be stronger than the Yonko + Admirals. Powerscaling is pretty linear in OP after the introduction of haki.
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My frustration is Oda doesnt have proper in-verse rules in place. He didnt impose any restrictions on himself when it comes to these powerups.
I had this feeling for a long time when Oda made Zoro's dream to be the WSS but never gave any clear definition of what falls under that umbrella. The best we got is, "I will never lose to anybody who calls himself a swordsman". That means Oda can randomly make anybody a swordsman or non-swordsman whenever he wants.
In the same way, nobody knows how someone gets CoC or how someone awakens AdCoC, no rules. Oda can randomly pick and choose characters he want to have it.
Now, even a core concept like devil fruit creation or awakening has become completely random!
I had this feeling for a long time when Oda made Zoro's dream to be the WSS but never gave any clear definition of what falls under that umbrella. The best we got is, "I will never lose to anybody who calls himself a swordsman". That means Oda can randomly make anybody a swordsman or non-swordsman whenever he wants.
In the same way, nobody knows how someone gets CoC or how someone awakens AdCoC, no rules. Oda can randomly pick and choose characters he want to have it.
Now, even a core concept like devil fruit creation or awakening has become completely random!
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No one is saying that no characters are stronger than others. There's a difference between a linear power system like Dragon Ball Z which literally assigns a number, and a varried, non-static power system that still contains characters who are stronger than other characters. Obviously, to put your argument to the extreme, Kaido>Gaimon. But that doesn't mean that we can certifiably rank most characters, or that some kind of objective ranking list could reliably predict who wins battles.
But One Piece literally tries that. Variables C4N explained don't mean much when by themselves (such as Law and Doffy pointed out) are useless.
Linear powerscaling doesn't literally need numbers. Naruto for example became pretty linear during the War arc, and it had a bunch of factors that factor into characters strength similar to current One Piece
Linear powerscaling doesn't literally need numbers. Naruto for example became pretty linear during the War arc, and it had a bunch of factors that factor into characters strength similar to current One Piece
Imo it is not bad, what ruins it is the absurd plot power. Having Kaido hyped as the strongest creature flattening, litterally, Kinemon to just have Kinemon survive turns the whole thing into a meme, same goes for the cp0 guy who stopped Luffy on the roof, Luffy ridicoulous a**pulls vs Kaido or simply BM in general.
C4N is trying to establish several variables that explains why One Piece isn't a simple X>Y manga. I am saying they're wrong because the series itself plays into that motif and that makes it linear. Having literal powerlevels isn't the end all be all of a linear power system, Naruto had a linear power system without characters reading each other's power levels. In fact final war arc Naruto's power system is similar to what we have today. "X character is stronger than Y because X has raw speed, skill strength etc..."
