Powers & Abilities Does OP have the worst Power System ?

#61
Oda can't seem to pick between a complicated system and a simple one

Fist of the North Star, Bleach and DB all had simple Power systems and no one complains

The people is that Oda switches between simplicity and Complexity every single arc
 
#63
No one is saying that no characters are stronger than others. There's a difference between a linear power system like Dragon Ball Z which literally assigns a number, and a varried, non-static power system that still contains characters who are stronger than other characters. Obviously, to put your argument to the extreme, Kaido>Gaimon. But that doesn't mean that we can certifiably rank most characters, or that some kind of objective ranking list could reliably predict who wins battles.
How dare you.
 
#65
The issue is oda doesn't explains haki properly and keeps on adding new stuff every arc. In most other systems like HxH , naruto , bleach the basic system is explained and individual abilities are main thing like hatsu , justu , zanpakuto and are given more importance.

In OP haki the base system is still not explained fully so it feels inconsistent with oda adding more to it as we progress
That’s because devil fruits are the base system; but oda isn’t skilled enough to actually use fights where people need to figure out The opponents powers and how to counter them, so he had to implement a secondary system just so he could make the fights easier to write for him.
 
#66
That’s because devil fruits are the base system; but oda isn’t skilled enough to actually use fights where people need to figure out The opponents powers and how to counter them, so he had to implement a secondary system just so he could make the fights easier to write for him.
Devil fruits are different for individuals. Haki ability remains same for everyone with levels varying. Haki should be the base system like that
 
#68
I don't get how this makes One Piece power system non linear
It means that this system is not based on power only but also on context.


Luffy has word for word has said before that he wanted to be stronger than his enemies. He doesn't need to literally said he's aiming to be the strongest for Oda to emphasize his aim for strength
Even then, it doesn't mean that he wants to be the strongest.


It does because One Piece's structure at times is as simple as X>Y>Z, all these variables you claim characters have don't change their overall structure. Comments like Law's and Doffy's point out that these variables alone(will) won't get you far
Like I said, in other context, Law is better. Oda proved us that during Wano.


Literally what you said can be applied to Dragon Ball
No. Dragon ball powersystem is not that deep.


Except the story clearly establishes otherwise lol
Again no. The story present an equal system.
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Yeah, Oda really contradicts himself when it comes to Powerscaling, especially with some characters.
Still no
 
#69
Yes, it's visually and mechanically the worst power system I have seen.

Just look at this:
Here Kaido was supposedly did not feel pain from Luffy's attacks:


And here is Luffy after learning 2 advanced CoA techniques doing the same attack and now Kaido feels the pain:


SHIT LOOKS EXACTLY THE FUCKING SAME as it did in act 1. Nothing has changed visually. The reader has no idea what haki Luffy is using visually and just has to guess.

It's horrendous. Almost every fight is like this. Just bunch of guessing.
You dont really have to guess since we alreayd know it's a different type of haki that hurts from the inside. It has been explained all throughout act 2
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Oda can't seem to pick between a complicated system and a simple one

Fist of the North Star, Bleach and DB all had simple Power systems and no one complains

The people is that Oda switches between simplicity and Complexity every single arc
Cant agree more
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I like when Oda complements Haki with DFs. It's cool. Like with Katakuri or Rob Lucci, Kaido too. Heck, I love what he did with Rob Lucci in the last chapter with his shuugan boosted by Haki. I know it's inconsistent but I cant deny how raw it is and like that. Most haki clashes in Wano werent good but the one with WB and Roger made me cry for how hype it was. And the fact that it's black really makes it pop when someone uses it (That drunken Kaido bagua spread was amazing). I know haki is Inconsistent but it's still really cool for me so I dont think it's a bad power system at all. DFs were pretty cool but not on their own. I know people here love strategic battles with only DFs but there's no way someone can win against Akainu with strategy alone. I think Haki and DFs go together pretty well with some few inconsistencies I can look over
 
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#70
It isn't the worst but it's lackluster compared to other ones, i watch one piece for the plot, not for the fights.


Compare one piece's Power system with stuff like chakra, reiatsu, nen, stands, jujitsu kaisen's Power system or stuff like chainsaw Man and you gonna realize that OP is kinda boring at the time.
 
#72
I don't get how this makes One Piece power system non linear


Luffy has word for word has said before that he wanted to be stronger than his enemies. He doesn't need to literally said he's aiming to be the strongest for Oda to emphasize his aim for strength

It does because One Piece's structure at times is as simple as X>Y>Z, all these variables you claim characters have don't change their overall structure. Comments like Law's and Doffy's point out that these variables alone(will) won't get you far.


Literally what you said can be applied to Dragon Ball, the most linear power system ever. Gohan doesn't need SSj3 to be stronger than Goku, he has ultimate potential unlocked, Piccolo doesn't need a Saiyan form, he fuses with Kami etc. That doesn't change that at the end of the day is still pretty much X>Y>Z


Except the story clearly establishes otherwise lol
A good example is Zoro, Ussop, and Perona. To any sane person, it's Zoro>Perona>Ussop. Yet Perona beats Zoro and loses to Ussop in an actual fight.
 
#73
Off the top of my head?

Luffy vs Katakuri: " I can now see why my brother cracker lost" - Katakuri after seeing Luffy land hits on him
Luffy vs Katakuri: "I must surpass him!" - clearly a X>Y scenario
Law vs Tashigi " Spirit alone doesn't make a swordsman" - A showing that will itself doesn't mean much
Doffy vs Law " You think you can beat me with guts alone" - more of the same
Kaido vs Luffy " Roger ruled the world thanks to haki!" - Another X >>> thanks to his strength

and the times where Luffy reinforces he will be stronger than the Yonko + Admirals. Powerscaling is pretty linear in OP after the introduction of haki.
Yeah. Before, it was more or less about DF matchup + wits/strategy + willpower, lol. Pretty much from East Blue all the way until Enies Lobby where actual PUs were introduced.
 
#74
A good example is Zoro, Ussop, and Perona. To any sane person, it's Zoro>Perona>Ussop. Yet Perona beats Zoro and loses to Ussop in an actual fight.
Serious Zoro would blitz Perona before she even gets a chance

edit: not to mention haki can pretty much counter her abilities
 
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#76
Yes. Haki lacks diversity. COA doesn't have enough variations and it's all about who has stronger Haki. CoC is just another COA now. COO is the only interesting one.
 
#77
I don't think it's flushed out thoroughly. Oda does the bread trail thing in his manga.

Another mangaka comes out from the get-go explaining the power system in full, then possibly going a bit more in-depth as the series goes on.
 
#78
Serious Zoro would blitz Perona before she even gets a chance

edit: not to mention haki can pretty much counter her abilities
I'm talking in Thriller Bark. If zoro could have just "blitzed her", he would have done that instead of running away and leaving it to Ussop. Obviously Zoro is much stronger than her, but because One Piece does not have a linear power system, he couldn't win there.
 
#79
I'm talking in Thriller Bark. If zoro could have just "blitzed her", he would have done that instead of running away and leaving it to Ussop. Obviously Zoro is much stronger than her, but because One Piece does not have a linear power system, he couldn't win there.
If you go back to my post, I literally said it’s more linear now that haki was introduced. There were obviously exceptions in pre ts, but nowadays it’s pretty X>Y>Z
 
#80
If you go back to my post, I literally said it’s more linear now that haki was introduced. There were obviously exceptions in pre ts, but nowadays it’s pretty X>Y>Z
And yet yonko haki can't stop boa hancock's powers and hakiless strawhats beat Kaido's vets.
 
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