General & Others "Editors these days can no longer disagree with Oda"

[ShiShiShi]

Naruto and bleach suffer from broken powerscalling and plot holes in their final arcs.

The journey was great, but the end was horrible.

I gave TBYW a reread this week and it's final is ridicolous lol, you can see kubo was done with the show.

Truly a shame. I think if Kubo was able to work on Bleach in his own time it could’ve been much better. I hope he‘s able to redo what he wants in the anime.

He released a Bleach one-shot a while back, but that’ll probably be the only thing we get until conditions are met.

As for Naruto, I think Kaguya could’ve been done better (or not at all?). She appeared out of nowhere and took the spotlight from Madara who should’ve been the true final boss IMO. The final arc aside, it was great.

 

[CensoredbyWG]

Truly a shame. I think if Kubo was able to work on Bleach in his own time it could’ve been much better. I hope he‘s able to redo what he wants in the anime.

He released a Bleach one-shot a while back, but that’ll probably be the only thing we get until conditions are met.

As for Naruto, I think Kaguya could’ve been done better (or not at all?). She appeared out of nowhere and took the spotlight from Madara who should’ve been the true final boss IMO. The final arc aside, it was great.

My headcannon is the hell arc after the oneshot lol, have you seen the novels, especially CFYOW? The end gives plenty of lore to work with, regarding urahara's true motives.

 

[Monkey D. Luffy]

What did Torishima do?

 

[NAMELESS]

Fuck editors.A mangaka should be the only one writing his manga.

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Fuck editors.A mangaka should be the only one writing his manga.

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Fuck editors.A mangaka should be the only one writing his manga.

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

An editor having gripes with the fact that editors can't bully around a Mangaka like they do with most of them...... Say it ain't so.

It's a good thing, because there are so many series that have got done dirty due to editors. "We have to cancel X series because the fans just aren't enjoying it. We don't know what happened, it was so good when you pitched the prototype."

*Editors*

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Much as I hate Lee I SORT OF agree with this.
He needs to rely on editors a little more for sure. Without them the pacing is kind of a mess.

 

[K!NG HARA$H!MA]

dude is a raging narcissist

Projecting

 

[ShinichiMugi]

People who says Torishima is trash,do they know that if it wasnt for him:

- In the Cell arc,we would have had C-19 and Dr.Gero as main villains of the arc instead
- We would have not had the Tenkaichi tournament

And many other things? The guy is a legend,he helped making Dragon Ball the success it was

 

[baul]

People who says Torishima is trash,do they know that if it wasnt for him:

- In the Cell arc,we would have had C-19 and Dr.Gero as main villains of the arc instead
- We would have not had the Tenkaichi tournament

And many other things? The guy is a legend,he helped making Dragon Ball the success it was

The editor on Cell arc was Kondo, not Torishima. Torishima stopped working as a editor on Picolo saga.

 

[Frauhawk]

The editor on Cell arc was Kondo, not Torishima. Torishima stopped working as a editor on Picolo saga.

Thats correct but he was still in touch with Toriyama so he called him and complained to him like he was his current editor

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Plus DB's editors are greedy as fuck
They ressucited Broly thrice 4 if you count super + Kale

Those decisions weren't done by the editors, i don't know how you even got this idea.

 

[sanjikun]

Shanks losing his arm was an editor decision. So sometimes they’re right

He’s not saying Oda should be forced to abide by editors decisions. He’s saying they can’t even voice an opposing opinion

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

What matters is the quality of the manga. If Oda put the editors to rest, let's say, after Wano well, then he should have done that years ago.

What if it was Wano where the editors weren’t involved enough

 

[ShinichiMugi]

The editor on Cell arc was Kondo, not Torishima. Torishima stopped working as a editor on Picolo saga.

Yeah but it was Torishima who told Toriyama to add new villains,he was still Oda's superior in the office. There are different kind of editors in the workplace.

 

[Just a member]

What if it was Wano where the editors weren’t involved enough

If they were not involved in Wano but involved in the last chapters then their help is welcome since the quality improved, but I doubt it is like that.

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

If they were not involved in Wano but involved in the last chapters then their help is welcome since the quality improved, but I doubt it is like that.

Wano’s last chapters… were the worst parts

wano’s last chapters were the one where:
1. Luffy beat Kaido for 3 chapters using a bug punch even tho Oda said Luffy won’t beat Kaido because of a big punch

2. Oda offscreened Momo obtaining Oden’s sword

3. Oda offscreened Momo and Hiyori’s first meeting

4. Oda offscreened Kin’emon and tsuru’s first meeting

5. Oda had no consequences for Zoro seeing the grim reaper

6. Oda offscreened/forgot Zoro visiting Ryuma’s grave

7. Oda revealed that actually Luffy is the new Ryuma of Wano

8. Oda never had any explanation of Zoro’s lineage and it was revealed in an SBS instead

9. Oda had Yamato not join after wasting everyone’s time and gave her the stupidest reason not to join (and he tossed away carrot in the dumbest shit ever making her the duke of Zou)

10. Oda had Hiyori proclaim the Kurozumi were born to burn… Completely failing to address that this entire Situation started because of the wanton killing of the kurozumi

I can go on but maybe it seems we read different Wano endings

and if you were meaning the Fights themselves are what was good, no they weren’t… I can go fight by fight to point out how most of them were dumb too

 

[Just a member]

Wano’s last chapters… were the worst parts

wano’s last chapters were the one where:
1. Luffy beat Kaido for 3 chapters using a bug punch even tho Oda said Luffy won’t beat Kaido because of a big punch

2. Oda offscreened Momo obtaining Oden’s sword

3. Oda offscreened Momo and Hiyori’s first meeting

4. Oda offscreened Kin’emon and tsuru’s first meeting

5. Oda had no consequences for Zoro seeing the grim reaper

6. Oda offscreened/forgot Zoro visiting Ryuma’s grave

7. Oda revealed that actually Luffy is the new Ryuma of Wano

8. Oda never had any explanation of Zoro’s lineage and it was revealed in an SBS instead

9. Oda had Yamato not join after wasting everyone’s time and gave her the stupidest reason not to join (and he tossed away carrot in the dumbest shit ever making her the duke of Zou)

10. Oda had Hiyori proclaim the Kurozumi were born to burn… Completely failing to address that this entire Situation started because of the wanton killing of the kurozumi

I can go on but maybe it seems we read different Wano endings

and if you were meaning the Fights themselves are what was good, no they weren’t… I can go fight by fight to point out how most of them were dumb too

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Wano is bad, maybe the worst arc of One piece. Too long, the final fight with Kaido was a shame for the quantity of plot power involved. And pretty much all the points you addressed. I said that to reply to your first comment. If the editors helped with Wano then they did bad, if they helped with the chapters after Wano then they did good.

 

[Herrera95]

Who cares the editors had only one average Idea which is SN
It's good only for a few of them like Law (Kid was already planned)

You don't know shit of out you are talking.

Editors don't have creativity ideas like that. Supernovas were totally Oda shit. He himself thought Sabaody would be boring without them. And he was right.

Editors as long I remember had Oda cutting Shanks arm off in chapter 1. Not sure about other changes.

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Luffy beat Kaido for 3 chapters using a bug punch even tho Oda said Luffy won’t beat Kaido because of a big punch

This is incorrect. Oda never said that. He said his fans wouldn't like if Luffy do it like that. And he was at same time right and wrong. He was wrong but after this statement he became right.

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

This is incorrect. Oda never said that. He said his fans wouldn't like if Luffy do it like that. And he was at same time right and wrong. He was wrong but after this statement he became right.

But Oda’s fans love that Luffy beat Kaido with a big punch… Oda’s fans LOVE EVERYTHING ODA DOES

Oda made that statement to introduce the idea that something more interesting than a big lunch should be expected by fans… and when he didn’t, that was in fact bad writing… whether his fans love everything he writes is besides the point

 

[NAMELESS]

I think editors should be the first critiques and maybe give some advices and ideas,but they should NOT be the ones to call what is cannon and what is not.

 

[Herrera95]

But Oda’s fans love that Luffy beat Kaido with a big punch… Oda’s fans LOVE EVERYTHING ODA DOES

Oda made that statement to introduce the idea that something more interesting than a big lunch should be expected by fans… and when he didn’t, that was in fact bad writing… whether his fans love everything he writes is besides the point

Exactly what I said.

No one expect a different thing from how Luffy ends his battles.

Oda made this whole confusion and created a false expectation on fans just to have a bunch of them let down and his previous wrong statement becomes correct.

And talking about fans that loves literally everything he does. They are useless data.