General & Others Ending the OP vs NT debate

Is OP vs NT debate over?

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#41
Manga sales its not even close, OP is much better.
- Anime revenue is close but still OP is better.
- Movies is not even close OP is much better.
- Merchandise and Franchise value is not even close OP is much better.
This is utterly irrelevant though.
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Stfu clown. You are dumb as ever, didn't you say you didn't read Naruto?
Even without reading it he can perfectly say its subjective and up to preference?!

This is ironically super stupid
 
#43
Ya'll need to understand someone on the other side of the internet who prefer something else and it doesn't align with your opinion doesn't make them incorrect.

Naruto is still leagues better than one piece in a few domains , and at the same time one piece dominates in other domains.

Sales/Revenue doesn't mean jackshit unless you want me to bring up pokemon sales , revenue , movies 🙂‍↕️
 
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#45
Lol I don’t read Naruto manga. One piece villain is last one you talk who<s better. Moro from DBS literally sh#t gorosei , Blackbeard , imu on villain and threat . Incompetent seem fit one piece villains like gorosei. Just read Moro arc and if Moro rule world government, joy boy will dead or eaten .

Naruto is more iconic to public even villains like madara . How many people heard of Blackbeard, Doflimingo, Crocodile? Two of not even original names . If doflimingo got clowned in future , you will begging luffy vs Akainu to happen for iconic reason . This why some shanks fans want evil shanks theory come true because it will be most famous shock and fight luffy for iconic reason .
Blackbeard is aint cut for it because he literally have same name as real life pirate .
Thor become famous because of marvel movies/comic , not Norse mythology but it won’t apply to Blackbeard because Blackbeard is most famous pirate which literally children book mention Blackbeard, not one piece .

iconic villain need to be original and something impact main character . Sure you can argue Blackbeard has impact on main character but he doesn’t original name .
Dbs is very good, One piece is too, these stories all have their own characters and story, I don't think you can compare them,
 
#46
First of all, Sakura is a dumb character and can't be compared to Nami or Robin.
You guys would shit bricks if nami or robin did even 10% what Sakura did in her series

nami is a character reduced to baby sitting because she has no other character besides liking kid's out of nowhere in Punk Hazard.
and Robin is a plot device that only speak relevant info and withholds other information
Second of all, almost half of NT villains joins Naruto at the end; Tobi, Orochi, Nagato, Itachi etc joins Naruto's side, low quality villains compared to OP.
... How does that mean low quality villains?

I can count a whole lot more villains in one piece that joined Goofy's side:
-Crocodile
-mr3
-mr2
-mr1
-Bellamy
-Katakuri
-Germa
-Katakuri
...etc, you get it
Kaguya was a trash FV as well.
She's about the same as Imu
OP villains quality is much higher;
Sorry to break it to you but BB is a trash villain who only succeeds due to plotholes and plot armor.
He does nothing smart, Oda just protects him from other characters being smart and just beating him.

Let's not even mention his trash ass crew who besides Kuzan have literally nothing going them. They are fodder both strength, character and design wise.
Once Kuzan leaves, these fucks will be weaker than Onigashima strawhats.
 
#47
Aside from wanting to see more of your Fav Character or certain Fights
Naruto stopped providing any good reason to continue reading it

I'd say until Chapter 440, Naruto (End of Pain Fight) and OP (End of Enies Lobby/Water 7 Saga) were Comparable
But after that, Naruto wasted it's entire Potential

Only thing you could say about it is "I like this Character" or "I like this Fight"
Things that are Subjective and can be said by OP Fans as well
But OP still offered much more than that, while Naruto ruined what it was all about

One thing that Naruto was Consistent in was Masashi's Art & it was Amazing from Start to Finish imo
 
#51
I couldnt care less for Sakura,Nami or Robin they all are equally shit and the last reason i watch One Piece or Naruto for. All 3 of them could get killed by Madara or Blackbeard and i would give a shit
 

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#52
Naruto has its shortcomings and so does One Piece.

Naruto's power system is much more interesting to discuss than One piece. Naruto has better art, better villains, better fights...etc.

I always liked One Piece more than Naruto when they were both coming out, but Naruto ended in 2014 so I didnt compare them much afterwards.
 
#53
I already made clear in another thread about what series has the best villains that I find One Piece to be superior even in that.

What I think Naruto did better are the fights themselves (as long as genjutsu wasn't involved). The characters fought with more brains and the choreography were good.

Naruto's power system was more complex than One Piece's (more complex doesn't mean better nor worse) but still had it's flaws (powers like Shikamaru's or Sai's weren't fully explained by the power system at least on panel, and everything related to Mangekyo kept getting worse).

If we count Boruto the whole quality and perception of the franchise plummets down.

I enjoyed following Naruto until it ended, and I'm quite fond of some of its characters, but both One Piece and Bleach clear it to me.


@Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier is right, though. This is my personal opinion, and anyone sharing "facts" about what series does what better is also just providing an opinion, nothing else.
 
#54
The time I started watching One Piece, it is a goofy and fun adventure anime. The mix between Eastern and Western cartoon style makes the series stands out from Naruto and most anime out there at that time. The downside is for a casual reader, 80% of everything makes no sense, the fights are Tom and Jerry and physically broken. The characters' development and fights has never been fleshout.

I never finished Naruto, but I think the characters' developments and fights got way more focus than One Piece. The art style has always been consistent.
 
#55
Sales don't mean shit.
There are much better manga than OP and Naruto that have less sales, so who cares about sales, brother?

Anyway, you are right about the talk no jutsu stuff.
But we can't really compare the villains, the quality gap is too big.

Naruto's villains are heavily supported by deep and realistic backstories, each of them having the reason and explanation of how they achieved their evilness.
In One Piece you have some cool and well designed villains, mostly Admirals, but a lot of them lack any real substance, which makes them feel like clowns, we even see this with important villains like Kaido, which I like, but the fact that he lacks any substance, no backstory, nothing, I can't even see any evilness in Kaido, because he hasn't killed anyone important in the current timeline, it's just the usual "Wowwww Kaido is so evil, look what he did", so crappy and badly written.
Naruto's villains kill, Naruto's villains really make you feel like they are fucking monsters.


Where's the Kaido Substance, the Big Mom Substance? There's no substance, it's just empty, like a generic action movie villain.
Realistic backstories.
My gf rejected me so I am gonna euthanise the world.
 
#60
OP has better world building and character designs, overall it has better potential
However, on a technical level when it comes to appreciating panel time and dedicating moments for every character while advancing the story, it is obvious that Oda falls short to Kishimoto, post ts the manga has been reduced to fan service.

If Oda maintained half the quality he put out in pre timeskip it would’ve been a different story, but as it is now Naruto clears easily
 
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