Controversial Enma is "not the king of hell"

[Artem]

I agree, but I dont think the anime is a valid indicator for this kind of debate

of course. just a little bonus to the facts from the manga.

 

[CbShadow]

Yes he would

He would have awakened it at EoS

the guy didnt even know he had CoC within him when Kaido asks him...then even when he awakens it vs King, he still can't even control it.

yet you think he wouldn't struggle to awaken CiC without Enma

Enma = plot device to make Zoro get CoC and grow much stronger
More Oden wank!

Nobody knows they have CoC until they unlock it.

What do you mean he can't control him? You and a few others desperately try to downplay Zoro by claiming he can't control CoC which is not true.

Here is Zoro using CoC without enma. It was wasn't a KoH attack either.

 

[Artem]

It's actually worse than that, it's fans of irrelevant characters that talk the most. :shame:
Zoro's flashback about his promise to Kuina, his ambition to be the greatest and have his name reach the heavens before he used CoC was there just for shits and giggles. :saden:

this fight and Zoro's power broke the debate that Mihawk=Vista. Zoro (without his two strongest attacks, Ashura the King of Hell, 3000 world and the King of hell) destroyed the King who >=Marco>=Katakuri>=Vista. Although Vista is possible = Katakuri. And Zoro is still two heads shorter than Mihawk. I won't even say that Zoro before ap did the most damage on kaido being half-dead.

 

[mly90]

Does this clear your doubts @Rootbeer
Title of the episode: "The three sword style of the supreme king!"

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

Does this clear your doubts @Rootbeer
Title of the episode: "The three sword style of the supreme king!"

But but Divergent CoA.

 

[Artem]

Yes he would

He would have awakened it at EoS

the guy didnt even know he had CoC within him when Kaido asks him...then even when he awakens it vs King, he still can't even control it.

yet you think he wouldn't struggle to awaken CiC without Enma

Enma = plot device to make Zoro get CoC and grow much stronger
More Oden wank!

Does Zoro not control acoc?
1 He throws acoc on all blades and can disable it at will.
2 He can only transfer acoc to sandai.
3 He regulates the power of the acoc and demonstrates this in the final attack by issuing an acoc tens of meters long.
4 He pushed King away with acoc.

 

[JoNdule]

Does Zoro not control acoc?
1 He throws acoc on all blades and can disable it at will.
2 He can only transfer acoc to sandai.
3 He regulates the power of the acoc and demonstrates this in the final attack by issuing an acoc tens of meters long.
4 He pushed King away with acoc.

He can't

When he can use basic CoC freely and use CoC with enma without being exhausted
Then we can say he has control or mastered his CoC control

 

[Artem]

But but Divergent CoA.

how could losers like Meade and Lol be compared to this haki monster?

 

[mly90]

Zoro awakening CoC has nothing to do with Enma, curious how the dumbest fans are the ones that powerscale the most.

Rayleigh told us hundred of chapter ago coc is users spirit manifestation and that it can't be trained. These people love to ignore canon manga facts to push agenda. He also adds the only way to strengthen your CoC is to grow stronger which Zoro did facing toughest most durable beings in the op verse.

 

[Artem]

He can't

When he can use basic CoC freely and use CoC with enma without being exhausted
Then we can say he has control or mastered his CoC control

lol. This mode devours a huge amount of acoc +ryoo. He's overloading Zoro anyway. just like 4 and 5 geare deplete goofy.

 

[Lor D. Coast]

Does this clear your doubts @Rootbeer
Title of the episode: "The three sword style of the supreme king!"

First it was the golden haki/aura, later it was the red conqueror's haki, now we wait for the next level of conqueror's haki that Zoro won't have.

 

[Gol D. Roger]

Yes he would

He would have awakened it at EoS

the guy didnt even know he had CoC within him when Kaido asks him...then even when he awakens it vs King, he still can't even control it.

yet you think he wouldn't struggle to awaken CiC without Enma

Enma = plot device to make Zoro get CoC and grow much stronger
More Oden wank!

Enma has nothing to do with CoC. It awakened against Kaido in a life and death scenario. He had no idea he had it just like how anyone else have no idea that they have CoC the first time they used it. He started using it normally when he stopped putting restraints on himself out of fear.

He controlled CoC perfectly. I don't see him struggle to do it anywhere.

 

[JoNdule]

Enma has nothing to do with CoC. It awakened against Kaido in a life and death scenario. He had no idea he had it just like how anyone else have no idea that they have CoC the first time they used it. He started using it normally when he stopped putting restraints on himself out of fear.

He controlled CoC perfectly. I don't see him struggle to do it anywhere.

Enma has to do with his CoC

He didn't show CoC until vs King
That's when you have clear CoC visuals

He didn't use it normally
His CoC is weak, it can't even KO fodders completely

 

[Artem]

and the anime just gave an answer to another of my theories about "if this fight lasts too long, this sword will kill me." That is, the situation will repeat as before the awakening of acoc, in the first round of the fight with king. Enma will go berserk again, dry Zoro's hand and suck out the remnants of haki and kill him.

 

[mly90]

Enma has nothing to do with CoC. It awakened against Kaido in a life and death scenario. He had no idea he had it just like how anyone else have no idea that they have CoC the first time they used it. He started using it normally when he stopped putting restraints on himself out of fear.

He controlled CoC perfectly. I don't see him struggle to do it anywhere.

He can control it so well he is even writing his name in adcoc

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1660230335970553861

 

[Artem]

well, why does Zoro use acoc so perfectly and his ap is higher than that of Niki's fruit with joyboy goofy's haki? why is mid so weak in comparison to it?

yes. Zoro is the strongest

 

[CbShadow]

Enma has to do with his CoC

He didn't show CoC until vs King
That's when you have clear CoC visuals

He didn't use it normally
His CoC is weak, it can't even KO fodders completely

Enma has nothing to do with CoC. Just using enma doesn't guarantee you will awaken CoC. Zoro's battle and circumstances was the reason he unlocked CoC and obtained ACoC.

Zoro's CoC is not weak. He wasn't trying to knock anyone out with it. The fact they fell say a lot of the strength of his CoC.

Look at BM ACoC. The fodder didn't fall unconscious when she used ACoC against PO.

 

[yorosenpai]

and so. Zoroboys told yonko-goofy-bitches that after 1033 chapters, Zoro can independently pour all his haki into the blades, regardless of the presence of enma. which is confirmed by the episode with the petrel's wing (when only sandai was covered with acoc) and the fact that Zoro ALREADY gave enma the necessary amount of haki on this frame, but ryoo was only on enma and there was no acoc.

in this frame, according to Zoro himself and the fact that the Hand has returned to normal, Zoro has already allowed enma to take as much haki as needed, but then he threw off all doubts and gave EVERYTHING to all his blades on his own along with acoc.
and this mode would be called the king of hell and Zoro can do it without the presence of Enma (although it was she who led him on this path as a "teacher" so that he would stop being afraid to release a ton of haki.)
the anime once again confirmed that enma has nothing to do with him directly (the mode of the king of hell).

1 Here is the enma mode (purple haki) in this mode, Zoro regulates how much haki will give enma (will allow you to suck). It was this mode that was used on the roof. in it, haki Zoro is only on enme and there is no acoc.

2 King hell mode. In this mode, Zoro INDEPENDENTLY pours all his haki into all three blades, regardless of enma. color haki green+acoc.
Reminder. Zoro Ashura King of Hell=5 gir>>Lol=King>=Sanji=Jimbei>Mid

Well this was clear to me from the getgo chapter 955 Enma but nice that the anime is neging all the haters

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

manga readers prob know whats up
watched it with a couple friends who legitimately thought it had to with enma not conquerors haki.

the anime needs to adopt a consistent color scheme for conquerors coating just as they have for armament hardening.
shouldnt be green for zoro
purple for the next.

 

[Rootbeer]

Does this clear your doubts @Rootbeer
Title of the episode: "The three sword style of the supreme king!"

The Anime taking liberties that they shouldn't, what's new.. You were waiting for the Anime all this this time to prove nothing? You should know better.. Even the glowing Green doesn't look as portrayed in the Manga..

Damn Brook's soul going to look like light Saber next time can't wait..