Future Events EOS BB > Prime Rocks and EOS Shiryu > Prime WB

[nik87]

Morgan's is Oda's creation too.

Yes. While he could have chosen him to hand out WS titles, he didn't. He chose himself to do that.

What can an X character do to gain a strength title in one piece? Let's say I jump into the one piece world, what should I do to gain one?

Nothing, Oda already gave those titles to those he wanted to have them.
WS title transfer will only happen from Mihawk to Zoro. All others are irrelevant.

Then what kind of feat would make sure everyone knows Shiryu is stronger than Whitebeard? He's gonna disappear into deeper irrelevance?

Oda will make sure to let it be known that Zoro is the strongest character in the entire show.
That automatically will reflect onto Shiryu and all of Zoro's opponents.
Shiryu will have both better defense as well as offense than Whitebeard, that should make it clear.
The story has moved on way past Whitebeard as the top dog so Shiryu surpassing him will not be that surprising.

 

[JDragon20]

Outside being able to destroy the planet EOS Shiryu will be stronger than primebeard. Nobody is ready for nothingness

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Imu is the shadow of the past, a relic of 800 years ago. Teach is the real threat of the present. Even Shanks fears him more than anyone else.

Having Luffy defeat someone like Imu at the end, whom he’s not even aware of for most of the story, just by following the path of destiny, would honestly feel underwhelming.

Why did Oda go out of his way to introduce Xebec? Why give Teach such a deep and mysterious background, tied directly to that legacy, if not to have him surpass it?

Roger and Xebec both failed to reach their goals. Luffy and Teach are their successors, and the story is building toward them finishing what the previous generation couldn’t.

Teach is Oda’s most carefully crafted antagonist. It would make zero sense to waste all of that setup just to have him go down before the finale.

https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...ffy’s-true-final-opponent-in-one-piece.68126/

He doesn’t need to be specifically aware of Imu to be aware of the World Government. Remember since Luffy was just a child he has associated with the WG as the exact opposite of freedom.

 

[GodofDarkness]

Yes Blackbeard and his crew are the final antagonist not Imu. Oda literally spoiled this with the lurking legend comment in 2017. Imu isn't connected to Whitebeard but Rocks is and this lurking legend is Luffy greatest enemy. So it'll be anticlimactic if Luffy greatest ever enemy falls before the final fight.

 

[Master OF Haki]

Yes. While he could have chosen him to hand out WS titles, he didn't. He chose himself to do that.

How do you know this? Did you ask him? Did you read it in the story? Oh no, you pulled this out of your ass.

Nothing, Oda already gave those titles to those he wanted to have them.
WS title transfer will only happen from Mihawk to Zoro. All others are irrelevant.

You know that characters have to have a backstory, right? You know that there's journey they've been through, right? There's a moment when Mihawk got his title, he did something to get it, or somebody gave him that title. Otherwise, why does Zoro even believe he's the WSS? Clearly he heard from somebody, or read it in the news papers, which means there was a moment in the timeline when he got it, and somhow the entire world got to know about it, which means it spread all over the world in quick manner by some short of messaging–the same way the world found out that Roger became the Pirate king, the news papers spread his achievement throughout the world. How do you think the world will find out that Zoro became the WSS after defeating Mihawk? Clearly it will be spread by someone. Do you know what chronological events even mean? Hell, probably not.

 

[The White Crane]

Oda will make sure to let it be known that Zoro is the strongest character in the entire show.
That automatically will reflect onto Shiryu and all of Zoro's opponents.
Shiryu will have both better defense as well as offense than Whitebeard, that should make it clear.
The story has moved on way past Whitebeard as the top dog so Shiryu surpassing him will not be that surprising.

Well, if nothing else, I can't wait to see how you spin Shiryu > WB soon, then.

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You set up the weird requirement which only one character who has GGNM can fulfill while we have guys at least equal to WB without fulfilling the same requirement.

Not exactly, the only 3 people in the series stronger than (or at least equal to) WB should simply be able to destroy the world, too. Akainu proves it by being able to match Gura Gura's destructive power, so we know he can destroy the world if he wants to. We haven't seen everything Roger and Xebec could do yet, but they're stronger than WB so destroying the world should also be possible for them (I mean, Xebec split a mountain with two fingers no haki).

If Shiryu can't destroy the world like WB can, there is no logical way to accept that Shiryu has surpassed WB in AP and if Shiryu can't tank all the damage WB ate in MF, there is no logical way to accept Shiryu has surpassed WB in durability/defense.

Ergo, unless you can convince me otherwise, there is no possibility of Shiryu surpassing WB in any stats. You need to do better if you want to convince others that Shiryu is > WB.

 

[Ven437]

Janitoryu gas thread

Brother you need to jump off this ship. Its not good for you trust me you’ll be worse off than Vergobros

 

[Blazing Lion]

Janitoryu gas thread

Brother you need to jump off this ship. Its not good for you trust me you’ll be worse off than Vergobros

Prepare for another Shiryu gas thread
I was not a ZKK theory maker but as a Zorofan there was a part where I was convinced it can happen. Vergobros are clowns.

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Not exactly, the only 3 people in the series stronger than (or at least equal to) WB should simply be able to destroy the world, too. Akainu proves it by being able to match Gura Gura's destructive power, so we know he can destroy the world if he wants to. We haven't seen everything Roger and Xebec could do yet, but they're stronger than WB so destroying the world should also be possible for them (I mean, Xebec split a mountain with two fingers no haki).

If Shiryu can't destroy the world like WB can, there is no logical way to accept that Shiryu has surpassed WB in AP and if Shiryu can't tank all the damage WB ate in MF, there is no logical way to accept Shiryu has surpassed WB in durability/defense.

Ergo, unless you can convince me otherwise, there is no possibility of Shiryu surpassing WB in any stats. You need to do better if you want to convince others that Shiryu is > WB.

I thought the debate was over
Akainu matched GGNM destructive power? Are you talking about the clash or overall destruction on MF? Man spent 10 days fighting another Admiral and managed to change the weather of half of an island, its impressive but the world destruction thing is out of his reach. Cute of you to put Akainu as Prime WB equal or stronger when Sickbeard was beating his ass in MF.

Roger and Rocks are not confirmed above WB but even so, you are just saying they are capable of destroying the world because they are stronger than WB and you cannot back that up with anything. WB was not using haki or his blademanship to do those attacks, he was specifically using the GGNM which can destroy the world. It was the specific power of the fruit. Even BB claimed that after eating the DF. The world destruction thing is GGNM reserved for now.

Nobody other than BB can destroy the world, thanks to GGNM, no one else can. The metric you are using is flawed from the beginning.
I would say there are very few who can take the damage that WB did, the likes of Kaido, King and Loki can obviously take that kind of damage imo but other humans cant. Even WBs peer Garp couldnt take that type of damage.

 

[MonsterKaido]

The World Government will still be the enemy, just with Teach at the top instead of Imu.
The villains can’t be empty characters with no ambition who tremble at the mere thought of Joy Boy’s return.

So suddenly WG will accept BB as their ruler?

 

[MonsterKaido]

All these didn't change the fact that WG and imu are tyrants dominating the world for centuries. @BlackLegFring explain it to him.

 

[Kair0s1]

All these didn't change the fact that WG and imu are tyrants dominating the world for centuries. @BlackLegFring explain it to him.

The clash between Luffy and Imu will take place now in Elbaph. Imu obviously won’t be defeated for good here, but the important thing is that they’ll finally face each other, and that Luffy will save Elbaph.
After that, Imu will fall to Blackbeard’s plan.

 

[MonsterKaido]

The clash between Luffy and Imu will take place now in Elbaph. Imu obviously won’t be defeated for good here, but the important thing is that they’ll finally face each other, and that Luffy will save Elbaph.
After that, Imu will fall to Blackbeard’s plan.

This is imu in gunko's body. It is just to show case little of imu's power.

SHs vs WG and Luffy vs imu will be grand fight of Eos.

 

[Kair0s1]

So suddenly WG will accept BB as their ruler?

The WG doesn’t have to accept him. Teach will take the throne by force. With the Ancient Weapons on his side, the world won’t have a choice but to accept him as the king. He will do what he did at Hachinosu, but on a global scale and with way more power.
The king of the world will be a pirate. The one with the greatest ambition.

 

[MonsterKaido]

The WG doesn’t have to accept him. Teach will take the throne by force. With the Ancient Weapons on his side, the world won’t have a choice but to accept him as the king. He will do what he did at Hachinosu, but on a global scale and with way more power.
The king of the world will be a pirate. The one with the greatest ambition.

Teach is not the one rulling and dominating the world for centuries. He doesn't have the same impact as someone like imu does.

 

[Kair0s1]

This is imu in gunko's body. It is just to show case little of imu's power.

SHs vs WG and Luffy vs imu will be grand fight of Eos.

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Teach is not the one rulling and dominating the world for centuries. He doesn't have the same impact as someone like imu does.

If the main characters were Sabo and the Revolutionaries, I’d agree. Imu would make a better final villain.
Too bad these two matter more

 

[Blazing Lion]

Teach is not the one rulling and dominating the world for centuries. He doesn't have the same impact as someone like imu does.

You are not on the right side of agenda this time bro. Look at previous arc villains and how they are built up. We have two options here, either BB is not going to be an arc villain at all (99% chance of BBPs being an arc villain), or that WG will fall before BBPs. Not unless Oda completely flips the patterns and instead of WG the villain for current arc suddenly becomes BBPs then yes Imu will survive until last. Otherwise Imu and WG are going down this arc and the battle for world supremacy will start after the fall of WG and the chaos will begin. There will be a HK/CD remnant side, there will be a Marine side, there will be the RA side, then there will be the 4 Yonkos.

 

[MonsterKaido]

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If the main characters were Sabo and the Revolutionaries, I’d agree. Imu would make a better final villain.
Too bad these two matter more

? BB was shooked by base Luffy in pre skip.

I never said BB won't be a major fight.

Just that imu is also a big fight for Luffy unlike what you are trying to claim.

 

[Topi Jerami]

Teach is not the one rulling and dominating the world for centuries. He doesn't have the same impact as someone like imu does.

Teach has been FAR more impactful to One Piece story (Ace, Whitebeard, Impel Down etc) than Imu does, to the actual readers.

What Imu did is mostly based on past storyline, what Teach did is based on present storyline.
Teach >> Imu.

 

[Kair0s1]

? BB was shooked by base Luffy in pre skip.

I never said BB won't be a major fight.

Just that imu is also a big fight for Luffy unlike what you are trying to claim.

 

[MonsterKaido]

Teach has been FAR more impactful to One Piece story (Ace, Whitebeard, Impel Down etc) than Imu does, to the actual readers.

What Imu did is mostly based on past storyline, what Teach did is based on present storyline.
Teach >> Imu.

To entire world imu and WG are ultimate tyrants. One piece follows the tyrant formula always. Kaido dominated wano for 20 years. Imu dominated the world for 800 years. He is pivotal villain of OP.