Character Discussion EoS Zoro will NOT surpass or be comparable to Ryuma

[Desolate Smaug]

Isn't Zoro though a distant relative of Ryuma. I think Oda confirmed one of the Shimotsuski lasses married Zoro's dad and zoro was born out of that union. I don't think it would be outrageous for Zoro to surpass Ryuma, Oden was already on course to do it and that's a level Zoro will easily surpass.

The problem though is Zoro significance and in lore importance will never be as half important as Ryuma or Oden. Those two are the symbols of Wano. The next symbol of Wano is momo or maybe even Yamato.

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

Isn't Zoro though a distant relative of Ryuma

Usopp is Yassop’s son and Usopp will likely NEVER be as strong as his dad

You got it though, you understand that there’s simply a problem with Zoro’s story relevance. Ryuma is unfortunately too tied to Luffy as per story significance for Zoro to match up

 

[Xione]

Roger/Rayleigh/Mihawk/Fujitora/Whitebeard/Nusjuro/Shanks/Garling all stand above Ryuuma. And Zoro will surpass them.

Saying a mf that doesn't even possess a supreme blade won't be surpassed by Zoro or be comparable to him, is fucking insane.

 

[ZenZu]

Roger/Rayleigh/Mihawk/Fujitora/Whitebeard/Nusjuro/Shanks/Garling all stand above Ryuuma. And Zoro will surpass them.

Saying a mf that doesn't even possess a supreme blade won't be surpassed by Zoro or be comparable to him, is fucking insane.

Greenbull > Fujitora

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Greenbull > Fujitora

Do you have a reason besides the black blade

 

[ZenZu]

Do you have a reason besides the black blade

Fujitora is fat

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Fujitora is fat

And Sabo isn't
Who won the fight between him and Issho

 

[ZenZu]

And Sabo isn't
Who won the fight between him and Issho

No one, it was inconclusive. I guess Fujitora had the edge, like Greenbull had the edge against Fujitora in the holyland.

 

[Xione]

Greenbull > Fujitora

Yes and Tensei > Akainu.

I guess Fujitora had the edge, like Greenbull had the edge against Fujitora in the holyland.

Can you post these two piece panels, I might've overlooked them. Haven't read two piece in a while.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

No one, it was inconclusive. I guess Fujitora had the edge, like Greenbull had the edge against Fujitora in the holyland.

Inconclusive because Issho wanted it to be. Dude could have killed Sabo faster than he could pronounce his Devil Fruit's name if he really wanted to lol
Don't know where the "Aramaki had the edge over him" thing came from. Maybe you confused it with a different manga or something. That's fine, it happens sometimes.

 

[ZenZu]

Can you post these two piece panels, I might've overlooked them. Haven't read two piece in a while.

Two piece is the manga where Fujitora is > Greenbull. At best they are indistinguishable, at worst Greenbull has the superior showings.

 

[HellBlazer04]

Roger/Rayleigh/Mihawk/Fujitora/Whitebeard/Nusjuro/Shanks/Garling all stand above Ryuuma. And Zoro will surpass them.

Saying a mf that doesn't even possess a supreme blade won't be surpassed by Zoro or be comparable to him, is fucking insane.

That's an incorrect assumption.
Black Blades are the most elite among all weapons. It doesn't matter if someone has a supreme grade, black blades still trump them.

Out of all the characters you mentioned, only 1 has a black blade and even then that guy doesn't have portrayal close to Ryuma.

Zoro is never turning his swords black btw. Oda hasn't written him that way to reach that level.

 

[Xione]

Two piece is the manga where Fujitora is > Greenbull. At best they are indistinguishable, at worst Greenbull has the superior showings.

I mean that's cool. I'm waiting on the panels tho, or you just making up headcanon and deflecting?

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

Roger/Rayleigh/Mihawk/Fujitora/Whitebeard/Nusjuro/Shanks/Garling all stand above Ryuuma. And Zoro will surpass them.

Saying a mf that doesn't even possess a supreme blade won't be surpassed by Zoro or be comparable to him, is fucking insane.

You think owning a supreme grade blade scales above MAKING A BLACK BLADE?

So their feat is that they bought or were given expensive swords… Wow

 

[Xione]

That's an incorrect assumption.
Black Blades are the most elite among all weapons. It doesn't matter if someone has a supreme grade, black blades still trump them.

Out of all the characters you mentioned, only 1 has a black blade and even then that guy doesn't have portrayal close to Ryuma.

Zoro is never turning his swords black btw. Oda hasn't written him that way to reach that level.

-> They aren't, that's based on a faulty translation. Supreme Blades hold the most important out of the weapons, hence Oda made sure to bring it up pre-Chapter 100. Ryuuma's black blade is an inferior weapon to the supreme blades.

-> All the characters i mentioned either hold Supreme Blades and/or can rival those that hold them with unknown graded blades or other fighting styles.

Sorry, your hillbilly sword god from an isolated island doesn't hold up with today's top tiers.
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You think owning a supreme grade blade scales above MAKING A BLACK BLADE?

So their feat is that they bought or were given expensive swords… Wow

Being capable of making a black blade has 0 relevance to one's fighting prowess. It simply speaks to so far a degree of haki mastery or rather the length of haki application on to the sword.

Ahhh yea... that's not how it works buddy.

Those that hold supreme blades:

-> The Pirate King
-> The guy who could've been the pirate king
-> Nusjuro, who has been training swordsmsanship for centuries
-> Fujitora, an admiral symbolized by the strongest zodiac symbol, most ambitious marine so far in the series
-> Dracule Mihawk, an individual who is somewhere in the top 3-5 alive right now.

That's Oda's narrative way of establishing blade users at certain tiers. With Supreme Blades being the clear way to do so. Their prowess can only be fully expressed through weapons of the degree of Supreme Blades.

 

[ZenZu]

I mean that's cool. I'm waiting on the panels tho, or you just making up headcanon and deflecting?

You made the claim first, I'm waiting on the Fujitora > Greenbull panels.

 

[Xione]

it was that he SINGLEHANDEDLY KEPT THE WORLD GOVERNMENT OUT OF WANO.

This is a pure lie.
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You mad, the claim first, I'm waiting on the Fujitora > Greenbull panels.

I never stated Fujitora > Aramaki in this thread. I've already made multiple posts of why Fujitora could be the strongest marine though in different threads.

 

[ZenZu]

I never stated anything related to Fujitora > Aramaki.

You left Aramaki off the list for the characters above Ryuma, but included Fujitora, so I assumed that's what you meant.

 

[Loki D. Terror]

GB >> Fraudtora.

 

[Xione]

You left Aramaki off the list for the characters above Ryuma, but included Fujitora, so I assumed that's what you meant.

Because I have yet to define him as a swordsman, until he actually showcases swordsmanship.

But if you're asking of my opinion in general, I do hold Fujitora superior to Aramaki. But not something I'm willing to argue on, as I've stated before Aramaki/Fujitora/Akainu/Kizaru all can be argued for being the strongest marines through portrayal or feats or combination of both.