Character Discussion Even I have to admit
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I feel like Kizaru greatest allure is the mystery and potential.
We don't much about him, we don't know how he thinks.
We can pinpoint most character to certain behaves and ideals, expect them to act like that, but not Kizaru, since he only follow orders, we kind want to see if he will ever do something of his own initiative.
This leaves space to people to fill him like they want him to be, it makes us anticipate what is his nature.
Is he holding back? Does he just not care? Or is he just really a simple yes man to the WG?
There's a big chance that Kizaru will lose a lot of fans when we get on his development.
He probably will not be what people expect.
We don't much about him, we don't know how he thinks.
We can pinpoint most character to certain behaves and ideals, expect them to act like that, but not Kizaru, since he only follow orders, we kind want to see if he will ever do something of his own initiative.
This leaves space to people to fill him like they want him to be, it makes us anticipate what is his nature.
Is he holding back? Does he just not care? Or is he just really a simple yes man to the WG?
There's a big chance that Kizaru will lose a lot of fans when we get on his development.
He probably will not be what people expect.
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That's exactly what I just said, people right now can only rank Kizaru > Kaidou in terms of character following these 3 criteria below.
One of the reasons why these guys like Kizaru as a shallow character could be due to things like:
1st - Character of a pigeon with retarded.
2nd - Because its power of light is something cool.
3rd - Because of its appearance.
None of the admirals are better written than Kaidou and Big Mom CURRENTLY, or have greater character depth.
Not liking the development that the character has had is one thing. To say that it is not more developed than X is another. You may not even like the development that Kaidou and BM had but they are still more developed as characters than any current admiral and that's a fact.
To be honest as I look at the admirals I don't see how their characters can be better written than the Yonkous...
Admirals characters are based solely on serving the CDS, kizaru until recently was serving tea to an old man over 100 years old.
Akainu? Akainu has a chiclet personality of villains who can't say an A without thickening the vein in his neck, he goes from 0 to 100 very quickly, currently he is nothing more than an empty shell.
Aokiji? bent the knee to Blackbeard with the purpose of making him the next king of the pirates the cover showed him bringing a daughter of Big Mom who is able to decipher the scriptures, the guy was a short time ago an admiral who should be impeding progress of pirates is now helping pirates become Pk, very controversial with the character.
Green Bull the only thing it does is scream that CDS are gods and about human rights this is very boring and stupid.
Fujitora now that his life goal of abolishing the Shichibukai has been completed he is an empty shell, we know nothing more about his intentions.
The only argumentative thing anyone can say that the admirals are better than the Yonkous is about something relative as a designer, thought X's power was coolest, thought X's personality was coolest, other than that the Yonkous in terms of goals and development are super ahead.
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But the thing is I don't think he will receive any development, same for the other admirals, I don't expect any flashbacks for them (maybe Fuji will get one and Akainu a very small one as well). Oda won't have time for that when the time comes, they will basically just represent the WG just like they did in MF.
They will probably be defeated by Zoro and Sanji, it's rare that their opponents get flashbacks (King being an exception).
So all Kizaru or Greenbull will have is their attitude of bullies, not much of character imo but I guess good design and looking cool is more important when your name is not Kaido lol
They will probably be defeated by Zoro and Sanji, it's rare that their opponents get flashbacks (King being an exception).
So all Kizaru or Greenbull will have is their attitude of bullies, not much of character imo but I guess good design and looking cool is more important when your name is not Kaido lol
I'm a Yonko fan and I support team Yonko, but even I have to admit that when it comes to Kaido and Big Mom they were both huge disappointments in their own way.
Other than feats, Kaido ended up being such a lackluster character and also a lackluster villain. He was so disappointing as a villain, that even Orochi overshadowed him as a villain.
And then we have his backstory which is easily of the worst character backstories in One Piece, only four pages and it doesn't really answer that much when it comes to Kaido's character.
Imagine building up Kaido since the Punk Hazard arc and then having him be the main villain of one of the longest arcs in One Piece, and you are just waiting and waiting to see his backstory and it finally comes and it just ends up being being a rushed flashback of only four pages.
There is no excuse for Kaido having such a boring and horrible flashback.
Then there is Big Mom, imo I do think she was at least more interesting as a character than Kaido and also had a way better backstory but just like Kaido she was also very disappointing as a villain.
I had no problem with Big Mom during the WCI arc and I thought her role as a villain during the first half of that arc was pretty good, but then we get to the Wano arc and Oda just ruins her character completely.
Despite being a Yonko and even being compared to Kaido, Oda treated Big Mom like a joke throughout the Wano arc.
From falling into the ocean and getting amnesia, being used a plot device to help free Luffy from Udon, falling asleep and being chained up by Queen, having her face run over by Franky riding his motorcycle, Jinbe and Robin removing her from the main floor, and being used as a plot device again this time indirectly helping Nami and Usopp by defeating Page One and temporarily knocking out Ulti.
As for her fight against Kid and Law, not only was her portrayal not that good during the fight but she didn't show more impressive feats either.
The other main issue when it comes to her fight against Kid and Law was that a majority of the fight was off screened, because Kid and Law are not the main characters I'm assuming that's why Oda didn't really care to focus on that fight and he also probably wanted to quickly get to the final fight of Luffy vs Kaido.
Part of me still likes Kaido and Big Mom but at the same time I won't deny that Oda really fucked up when it comes to both of their characters.
Kizaru>Kaido and Big Mom.
Not power level wise just character wise.
Please don't ruin Kizaru's character Oda.
Random tags because why not.
Other than feats, Kaido ended up being such a lackluster character and also a lackluster villain. He was so disappointing as a villain, that even Orochi overshadowed him as a villain.
And then we have his backstory which is easily of the worst character backstories in One Piece, only four pages and it doesn't really answer that much when it comes to Kaido's character.
Imagine building up Kaido since the Punk Hazard arc and then having him be the main villain of one of the longest arcs in One Piece, and you are just waiting and waiting to see his backstory and it finally comes and it just ends up being being a rushed flashback of only four pages.
There is no excuse for Kaido having such a boring and horrible flashback.
Then there is Big Mom, imo I do think she was at least more interesting as a character than Kaido and also had a way better backstory but just like Kaido she was also very disappointing as a villain.
I had no problem with Big Mom during the WCI arc and I thought her role as a villain during the first half of that arc was pretty good, but then we get to the Wano arc and Oda just ruins her character completely.
Despite being a Yonko and even being compared to Kaido, Oda treated Big Mom like a joke throughout the Wano arc.
From falling into the ocean and getting amnesia, being used a plot device to help free Luffy from Udon, falling asleep and being chained up by Queen, having her face run over by Franky riding his motorcycle, Jinbe and Robin removing her from the main floor, and being used as a plot device again this time indirectly helping Nami and Usopp by defeating Page One and temporarily knocking out Ulti.
As for her fight against Kid and Law, not only was her portrayal not that good during the fight but she didn't show more impressive feats either.
The other main issue when it comes to her fight against Kid and Law was that a majority of the fight was off screened, because Kid and Law are not the main characters I'm assuming that's why Oda didn't really care to focus on that fight and he also probably wanted to quickly get to the final fight of Luffy vs Kaido.
Part of me still likes Kaido and Big Mom but at the same time I won't deny that Oda really fucked up when it comes to both of their characters.
Kizaru>Kaido and Big Mom.
Not power level wise just character wise.
Please don't ruin Kizaru's character Oda.
Random tags because why not.
I'm a Yonko fan and I support team Yonko, but even I have to admit that when it comes to Kaido and Big Mom they were both huge disappointments in their own way.
Other than feats, Kaido ended up being such a lackluster character and also a lackluster villain. He was so disappointing as a villain, that even Orochi overshadowed him as a villain.
And then we have his backstory which is easily of the worst character backstories in One Piece, only four pages and it doesn't really answer that much when it comes to Kaido's character.
Imagine building up Kaido since the Punk Hazard arc and then having him be the main villain of one of the longest arcs in One Piece, and you are just waiting and waiting to see his backstory and it finally comes and it just ends up being being a rushed flashback of only four pages.
There is no excuse for Kaido having such a boring and horrible flashback.
Then there is Big Mom, imo I do think she was at least more interesting as a character than Kaido and also had a way better backstory but just like Kaido she was also very disappointing as a villain.
I had no problem with Big Mom during the WCI arc and I thought her role as a villain during the first half of that arc was pretty good, but then we get to the Wano arc and Oda just ruins her character completely.
Despite being a Yonko and even being compared to Kaido, Oda treated Big Mom like a joke throughout the Wano arc.
From falling into the ocean and getting amnesia, being used a plot device to help free Luffy from Udon, falling asleep and being chained up by Queen, having her face run over by Franky riding his motorcycle, Jinbe and Robin removing her from the main floor, and being used as a plot device again this time indirectly helping Nami and Usopp by defeating Page One and temporarily knocking out Ulti.
As for her fight against Kid and Law, not only was her portrayal not that good during the fight but she didn't show more impressive feats either.
The other main issue when it comes to her fight against Kid and Law was that a majority of the fight was off screened, because Kid and Law are not the main characters I'm assuming that's why Oda didn't really care to focus on that fight and he also probably wanted to quickly get to the final fight of Luffy vs Kaido.
Part of me still likes Kaido and Big Mom but at the same time I won't deny that Oda really fucked up when it comes to both of their characters.
Kizaru>Kaido and Big Mom.
Not power level wise just character wise.
Please don't ruin Kizaru's character Oda.
Random tags because why not.
Other than feats, Kaido ended up being such a lackluster character and also a lackluster villain. He was so disappointing as a villain, that even Orochi overshadowed him as a villain.
And then we have his backstory which is easily of the worst character backstories in One Piece, only four pages and it doesn't really answer that much when it comes to Kaido's character.
Imagine building up Kaido since the Punk Hazard arc and then having him be the main villain of one of the longest arcs in One Piece, and you are just waiting and waiting to see his backstory and it finally comes and it just ends up being being a rushed flashback of only four pages.
There is no excuse for Kaido having such a boring and horrible flashback.
Then there is Big Mom, imo I do think she was at least more interesting as a character than Kaido and also had a way better backstory but just like Kaido she was also very disappointing as a villain.
I had no problem with Big Mom during the WCI arc and I thought her role as a villain during the first half of that arc was pretty good, but then we get to the Wano arc and Oda just ruins her character completely.
Despite being a Yonko and even being compared to Kaido, Oda treated Big Mom like a joke throughout the Wano arc.
From falling into the ocean and getting amnesia, being used a plot device to help free Luffy from Udon, falling asleep and being chained up by Queen, having her face run over by Franky riding his motorcycle, Jinbe and Robin removing her from the main floor, and being used as a plot device again this time indirectly helping Nami and Usopp by defeating Page One and temporarily knocking out Ulti.
As for her fight against Kid and Law, not only was her portrayal not that good during the fight but she didn't show more impressive feats either.
The other main issue when it comes to her fight against Kid and Law was that a majority of the fight was off screened, because Kid and Law are not the main characters I'm assuming that's why Oda didn't really care to focus on that fight and he also probably wanted to quickly get to the final fight of Luffy vs Kaido.
Part of me still likes Kaido and Big Mom but at the same time I won't deny that Oda really fucked up when it comes to both of their characters.
Kizaru>Kaido and Big Mom.
Not power level wise just character wise.
Please don't ruin Kizaru's character Oda.
Random tags because why not.
I'm a Yonko fan and I support team Yonko, but even I have to admit that when it comes to Kaido and Big Mom they were both huge disappointments in their own way.
Other than feats, Kaido ended up being such a lackluster character and also a lackluster villain. He was so disappointing as a villain, that even Orochi overshadowed him as a villain.
And then we have his backstory which is easily of the worst character backstories in One Piece, only four pages and it doesn't really answer that much when it comes to Kaido's character.
Imagine building up Kaido since the Punk Hazard arc and then having him be the main villain of one of the longest arcs in One Piece, and you are just waiting and waiting to see his backstory and it finally comes and it just ends up being being a rushed flashback of only four pages.
There is no excuse for Kaido having such a boring and horrible flashback.
Then there is Big Mom, imo I do think she was at least more interesting as a character than Kaido and also had a way better backstory but just like Kaido she was also very disappointing as a villain.
I had no problem with Big Mom during the WCI arc and I thought her role as a villain during the first half of that arc was pretty good, but then we get to the Wano arc and Oda just ruins her character completely.
Despite being a Yonko and even being compared to Kaido, Oda treated Big Mom like a joke throughout the Wano arc.
From falling into the ocean and getting amnesia, being used a plot device to help free Luffy from Udon, falling asleep and being chained up by Queen, having her face run over by Franky riding his motorcycle, Jinbe and Robin removing her from the main floor, and being used as a plot device again this time indirectly helping Nami and Usopp by defeating Page One and temporarily knocking out Ulti.
As for her fight against Kid and Law, not only was her portrayal not that good during the fight but she didn't show more impressive feats either.
The other main issue when it comes to her fight against Kid and Law was that a majority of the fight was off screened, because Kid and Law are not the main characters I'm assuming that's why Oda didn't really care to focus on that fight and he also probably wanted to quickly get to the final fight of Luffy vs Kaido.
Part of me still likes Kaido and Big Mom but at the same time I won't deny that Oda really fucked up when it comes to both of their characters.
Kizaru>Kaido and Big Mom.
Not power level wise just character wise.
Please don't ruin Kizaru's character Oda.
Random tags because why not.
Other than feats, Kaido ended up being such a lackluster character and also a lackluster villain. He was so disappointing as a villain, that even Orochi overshadowed him as a villain.
And then we have his backstory which is easily of the worst character backstories in One Piece, only four pages and it doesn't really answer that much when it comes to Kaido's character.
Imagine building up Kaido since the Punk Hazard arc and then having him be the main villain of one of the longest arcs in One Piece, and you are just waiting and waiting to see his backstory and it finally comes and it just ends up being being a rushed flashback of only four pages.
There is no excuse for Kaido having such a boring and horrible flashback.
Then there is Big Mom, imo I do think she was at least more interesting as a character than Kaido and also had a way better backstory but just like Kaido she was also very disappointing as a villain.
I had no problem with Big Mom during the WCI arc and I thought her role as a villain during the first half of that arc was pretty good, but then we get to the Wano arc and Oda just ruins her character completely.
Despite being a Yonko and even being compared to Kaido, Oda treated Big Mom like a joke throughout the Wano arc.
From falling into the ocean and getting amnesia, being used a plot device to help free Luffy from Udon, falling asleep and being chained up by Queen, having her face run over by Franky riding his motorcycle, Jinbe and Robin removing her from the main floor, and being used as a plot device again this time indirectly helping Nami and Usopp by defeating Page One and temporarily knocking out Ulti.
As for her fight against Kid and Law, not only was her portrayal not that good during the fight but she didn't show more impressive feats either.
The other main issue when it comes to her fight against Kid and Law was that a majority of the fight was off screened, because Kid and Law are not the main characters I'm assuming that's why Oda didn't really care to focus on that fight and he also probably wanted to quickly get to the final fight of Luffy vs Kaido.
Part of me still likes Kaido and Big Mom but at the same time I won't deny that Oda really fucked up when it comes to both of their characters.
Kizaru>Kaido and Big Mom.
Not power level wise just character wise.
Please don't ruin Kizaru's character Oda.
Random tags because why not.
But hey, it's Wano for you.
I'm a Yonko fan and I support team Yonko, but even I have to admit that when it comes to Kaido and Big Mom they were both huge disappointments in their own way.
Other than feats, Kaido ended up being such a lackluster character and also a lackluster villain. He was so disappointing as a villain, that even Orochi overshadowed him as a villain.
And then we have his backstory which is easily of the worst character backstories in One Piece, only four pages and it doesn't really answer that much when it comes to Kaido's character.
Imagine building up Kaido since the Punk Hazard arc and then having him be the main villain of one of the longest arcs in One Piece, and you are just waiting and waiting to see his backstory and it finally comes and it just ends up being being a rushed flashback of only four pages.
There is no excuse for Kaido having such a boring and horrible flashback.
Then there is Big Mom, imo I do think she was at least more interesting as a character than Kaido and also had a way better backstory but just like Kaido she was also very disappointing as a villain.
I had no problem with Big Mom during the WCI arc and I thought her role as a villain during the first half of that arc was pretty good, but then we get to the Wano arc and Oda just ruins her character completely.
Despite being a Yonko and even being compared to Kaido, Oda treated Big Mom like a joke throughout the Wano arc.
From falling into the ocean and getting amnesia, being used a plot device to help free Luffy from Udon, falling asleep and being chained up by Queen, having her face run over by Franky riding his motorcycle, Jinbe and Robin removing her from the main floor, and being used as a plot device again this time indirectly helping Nami and Usopp by defeating Page One and temporarily knocking out Ulti.
As for her fight against Kid and Law, not only was her portrayal not that good during the fight but she didn't show more impressive feats either.
The other main issue when it comes to her fight against Kid and Law was that a majority of the fight was off screened, because Kid and Law are not the main characters I'm assuming that's why Oda didn't really care to focus on that fight and he also probably wanted to quickly get to the final fight of Luffy vs Kaido.
Part of me still likes Kaido and Big Mom but at the same time I won't deny that Oda really fucked up when it comes to both of their characters.
Kizaru>Kaido and Big Mom.
Not power level wise just character wise.
Please don't ruin Kizaru's character Oda.
Random tags because why not.
Other than feats, Kaido ended up being such a lackluster character and also a lackluster villain. He was so disappointing as a villain, that even Orochi overshadowed him as a villain.
And then we have his backstory which is easily of the worst character backstories in One Piece, only four pages and it doesn't really answer that much when it comes to Kaido's character.
Imagine building up Kaido since the Punk Hazard arc and then having him be the main villain of one of the longest arcs in One Piece, and you are just waiting and waiting to see his backstory and it finally comes and it just ends up being being a rushed flashback of only four pages.
There is no excuse for Kaido having such a boring and horrible flashback.
Then there is Big Mom, imo I do think she was at least more interesting as a character than Kaido and also had a way better backstory but just like Kaido she was also very disappointing as a villain.
I had no problem with Big Mom during the WCI arc and I thought her role as a villain during the first half of that arc was pretty good, but then we get to the Wano arc and Oda just ruins her character completely.
Despite being a Yonko and even being compared to Kaido, Oda treated Big Mom like a joke throughout the Wano arc.
From falling into the ocean and getting amnesia, being used a plot device to help free Luffy from Udon, falling asleep and being chained up by Queen, having her face run over by Franky riding his motorcycle, Jinbe and Robin removing her from the main floor, and being used as a plot device again this time indirectly helping Nami and Usopp by defeating Page One and temporarily knocking out Ulti.
As for her fight against Kid and Law, not only was her portrayal not that good during the fight but she didn't show more impressive feats either.
The other main issue when it comes to her fight against Kid and Law was that a majority of the fight was off screened, because Kid and Law are not the main characters I'm assuming that's why Oda didn't really care to focus on that fight and he also probably wanted to quickly get to the final fight of Luffy vs Kaido.
Part of me still likes Kaido and Big Mom but at the same time I won't deny that Oda really fucked up when it comes to both of their characters.
Kizaru>Kaido and Big Mom.
Not power level wise just character wise.
Please don't ruin Kizaru's character Oda.
Random tags because why not.
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I would have done Kaido's flashback like this:Show his youth,some of his losses pre Rocks,joining ROCKS,getting his DF from BM,some more losses after Rocks,recruiting his commanders,setting sail to Wano,Yamato flashback,VS Moriah,getting a title from Orochi after Oden's demise,his speech about joyboy to King to wrap up his flash back.
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Yes, they were certainly disappointing. Kaido more so than Big Mom who at least has the first half of WCI going for her.
Backstory, flashbacks and what not aren’t the issue either. Kaido was just boring and flat with not much going for him besides “me strong, swing club.” That’s simply not enough to carry such a long arc or saga.
There’s someone like Crocodile with no flashback that was still perfect for Alabasta, and still regarded as one of the best antagonists till today.
Even someone like Kizaru who only had a short appearance in Sabaody is one of the best parts of the arc…and the arc in turn is regarded as one of the best in the series, and the start of the best saga.
The headlining villain of an arc doing so terribly on the popularity poll in the middle of the arc itself says it all. The only ones that he seems to get devotion from are those that seemingly love “me strong, swing club” with all its mindless glory.
Couldn’t be me though…
Backstory, flashbacks and what not aren’t the issue either. Kaido was just boring and flat with not much going for him besides “me strong, swing club.” That’s simply not enough to carry such a long arc or saga.
There’s someone like Crocodile with no flashback that was still perfect for Alabasta, and still regarded as one of the best antagonists till today.
Even someone like Kizaru who only had a short appearance in Sabaody is one of the best parts of the arc…and the arc in turn is regarded as one of the best in the series, and the start of the best saga.
The headlining villain of an arc doing so terribly on the popularity poll in the middle of the arc itself says it all. The only ones that he seems to get devotion from are those that seemingly love “me strong, swing club” with all its mindless glory.
Couldn’t be me though…
Well Kaido was actually living up to his hype. The dude is a monster in terms of strength. I failed to see anyone who can match to his feat so far on the manga.
Right after fighting another top tier for days, the dude was fighting 15 ycs level characters while lifting an island. And on top of it he took all their attacks on purpose because he could dodge them if he wanted to just like what we saw against g5.
Also, it was stated by Law since Dressrossa that Kaido judge people by their strength and not a type of person with whom you can talk things out, so yea I didn't expect him to be a cunning type villain. The cunning part is replaced by Orochi (which is as a character, is a big disappointment for me)
What makes me disappointed is Oda didn't have the guts to make Kaido killing people. At least Kinemon and Kiku should have died.
As for big mom, well I'm disappointed a lot. Her backstory was good tho.
But yea, wano was disappointing, but I'm kinda lazy to write it down.
Right after fighting another top tier for days, the dude was fighting 15 ycs level characters while lifting an island. And on top of it he took all their attacks on purpose because he could dodge them if he wanted to just like what we saw against g5.
Also, it was stated by Law since Dressrossa that Kaido judge people by their strength and not a type of person with whom you can talk things out, so yea I didn't expect him to be a cunning type villain. The cunning part is replaced by Orochi (which is as a character, is a big disappointment for me)
What makes me disappointed is Oda didn't have the guts to make Kaido killing people. At least Kinemon and Kiku should have died.
As for big mom, well I'm disappointed a lot. Her backstory was good tho.
But yea, wano was disappointing, but I'm kinda lazy to write it down.
:cheers:
Before I say anything about Kaido, I have to see what the admiral do. Kaido beat up alot of people. It took a lot to beat kaido but the way it way shown drop tension lower than my feet.
- 1 mink sulong army
- 9 useless scarbards
- 1 useless daughter
- 3 worse gens and + lackies,
- bench pressing a whole island while doing it.
- Surprised attacked while partying
- Drunk
- No awakening
- 1 pink chad dragon
- 1 mink sulong army
- 9 useless scarbards
- 1 useless daughter
- 3 worse gens and + lackies,
- bench pressing a whole island while doing it.
- Surprised attacked while partying
- Drunk
- No awakening
- 1 pink chad dragon
:cheers:Big mom wasn't a bad villian she was just getting shifted on by characters hundreds of times weaker than her. Which makes her a gag villain. At least she was flushed out and gave us some prodigies and interesting pieces of the story. She gave us some of the best and worse parts of the story. I mean she served a purpose until her fight with Law and kidd towhere she was basically disposable and lolda had her nerfed from randomly placed explosions for the second time in the story.
A good way to think of her is a character so strong that oda had to use countless plotholes blow her up and throw her in a volcano just to give some credit to some lesser characters that desperately needed some hype.
A good way to think of her is a character so strong that oda had to use countless plotholes blow her up and throw her in a volcano just to give some credit to some lesser characters that desperately needed some hype.
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