General & Others Everyone should watch this Mr Morj's video about One Piece post Time-Skip.

#21
What EL helped establish is that fighting is about style. Unless you think Nami is anywhere near Franky based on the doriki of the opponent beaten. And I know you're not serious about bounty because then we gotta talk about Usopp being above Franky there.

Sanji's obviously third best (maybe fourth with Jinbe, who's probably under Zoro) and has a huge speed advantage. DJ is a great offensive boost, too. But Franky is far ahead in durability and specializes in the long range that Sanji doesn't have. Even before these chapters it would have been BS to overlook Franky so badly.
non of that cages the fact that sanji was clearly istablished as above franky (regardless of the distance), which you can't say when it comes to jinbe.
 
#23
Tell this to paper because he definitely doesn't understand what we meant by that.
I did and what you both are saying have zero basis in fact, like at all. No where is there proof that Oda is dragging out the story because he "wants to sell more chapters". The man actively talks about wanting to finish and he gets caught up in the things he wants to draw.

Half of you complain about pacing, but holy fuck in the grand scheme of things One Piece FLIES compared to other shonen, especially with how many characters it has.. Naruto wasted nearly 100 chapters of Naruto/Sasuke doing the same fucking moves on Obito and Madara until when randomly Kaguya was introduced and Kishimoto threw all of their growth down the drain by having both of them become literal gods through a damn dream. Almost no focus on the supporting characters outside of the beginning. Literally chapters and chapters and chapters dedicated to the same moves and the villain being totally fine after. Then you have Bleach which had the exact opposite problem, dedicating way TOO much time on supporting characters and not enough on the main characters.


People like to shit on OPs pacing but it is in fact MILES better than a ton of other shonen because more shit gets done in a smaller span of chapters. Dressrosa managed to not only further the Yonko plotline, but give Luffy a power-up, a 5000 member fleet, reintroduce his other brother, tie together a cipher pol and revolutionary conflict, introduce a new admiral, tease the Shichibukai abolition, all while characterizing Law and 10+ villains. In a 102 chapters this was managed. Naruto, Bleach, MHA, HxH and literally ANY other shonen cannot hope to match that pacing.

So please, the issue YOU are having is that YOU don't like the content Oda is pushing out. Half of you guys just want battles and action and feats performed on other characters to drive your powerscaling agenda. Wano is far larger than anything pretty much any shonen has done, and Oda is achieving more in an overarching plot that other shonen manage to even do, hell any manga in the grand scheme of things. You don't like him characterizing Yamato or Tama or Hiyori, that's on YOU.
 
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#24
I did and what you both are saying have zero basis in fact, like at all. No where is there proof that Oda is dragging out the story because he "wants to sell more chapters". The man actively talks about wanting to finish and he gets caught up in the things he wants to draw.

Half of you complain about pacing, but holy fuck in the grand scheme of things One Piece FLIES compared to other shonen, especially with how many characters it has.. Naruto wasted nearly 100 chapters of Naruto/Sasuke doing the same fucking moves on Obito and Madara until when randomly Kaguya was introduced and Kishimoto threw all of their growth down the drain by having both of them become literal gods through a damn dream. Almost no focus on the supporting characters outside of the beginning. Literally chapters and chapters and chapters dedicated to the same moves and the villain being totally fine after. Then you have Bleach which had the exact opposite problem, dedicating way TOO much time on supporting characters and not enough on the main characters.


People like to shit on OPs pacing but it is in fact MILES better than a ton of other shonen because more shit gets done in a smaller span of chapters. Dressrosa managed to not only further the Yonko plotline, but give Luffy a power-up, a 5000 member fleet, reintroduce his other brother, tie together a cipher pol and revolutionary conflict, introduce a new admiral, tease the Shichibukai abolition, all while characterizing Law and 10+ villains. In a 102 chapters this was managed. Naruto, Bleach, MHA, HxH and literally ANY other shonen cannot hope to match that pacing.

So please, the issue YOU are having is that YOU don't like the content Oda is pushing out. Half of you guys just want battles and action and feats performed on other characters to drive your powerscaling agenda. Wano is far larger than anything pretty much any shonen has done, and Oda is achieving more in an overarching plot that other shonen manage to even do, hell any manga in the grand scheme of things. You don't like him characterizing Yamato or Tama or Hiyori, that's on YOU.
Sorry for disrepecting you and replying minute after you wrote but you won't change my mind against shit character like Yamato and Carrot joining the crew. They have 0 pro's of joininig the crew. We have pet already and he's enough.

Yamato who knows maybe if she drops Oden shit but I doubt she will.

You guys choose next SHs by you dicks only. Not necesairly you but a saw few people.

Carrot provides 0 things to the crew.
 
#25
Anyway....i finally got around to watching the video. I totally agree with Morj. Will I think Wano will be a 200 chapter arc with tons of payoff that will be anything better than before? Not sure and honestly I doubt. I dont think Oda will make the arc go another 120 chapters for pure battles but who knows he may increase the scale of this arc beyond what we have and we just don't know it yet. Perhaps Zoro gets his backstory. Perhaps Rocks gets more involved. Perhaps they lose at Onigashima. Who knows? Maybe there is a larger arc to be had post-Wano in the form of God Valley?

He does tend to "drag", but only because its what he WANTS to draw. Not to serve entitled fans who think they know what he SHOULD draw.


Anyway, im excited for this arc to be over and to finish payoff. I assume there will only be one additional super-saga. Something that covers the build up to the final war (I.e., Vegapunk, Elbaf, Lodestar, etc who knows.) Then another "saga" that is inherently the Laugh Tale and Final War arcs.
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Sorry for disrepecting you and replying minute after you wrote but you won't change my mind against shit character like Yamato and Carrot joining the crew. They have 0 pro's of joininig the crew. We have pet already and he's enough.

Yamato who knows maybe if she drops Oden shit but I doubt she will.

You guys choose next SHs by you dicks only. Not necesairly you but a saw few people.

Carrot provides 0 things to the crew.
Nothing I said has anything to do with them joining the crew lmao
 
#26
I did and what you both are saying have zero basis in fact, like at all. No where is there proof that Oda is dragging out the story because he "wants to sell more chapters". The man actively talks about wanting to finish and he gets caught up in the things he wants to draw.

Half of you complain about pacing, but holy fuck in the grand scheme of things One Piece FLIES compared to other shonen, especially with how many characters it has.. Naruto wasted nearly 100 chapters of Naruto/Sasuke doing the same fucking moves on Obito and Madara until when randomly Kaguya was introduced and Kishimoto threw all of their growth down the drain by having both of them become literal gods through a damn dream. Almost no focus on the supporting characters outside of the beginning. Literally chapters and chapters and chapters dedicated to the same moves and the villain being totally fine after. Then you have Bleach which had the exact opposite problem, dedicating way TOO much time on supporting characters and not enough on the main characters.


People like to shit on OPs pacing but it is in fact MILES better than a ton of other shonen because more shit gets done in a smaller span of chapters. Dressrosa managed to not only further the Yonko plotline, but give Luffy a power-up, a 5000 member fleet, reintroduce his other brother, tie together a cipher pol and revolutionary conflict, introduce a new admiral, tease the Shichibukai abolition, all while characterizing Law and 10+ villains. In a 102 chapters this was managed. Naruto, Bleach, MHA, HxH and literally ANY other shonen cannot hope to match that pacing.

So please, the issue YOU are having is that YOU don't like the content Oda is pushing out. Half of you guys just want battles and action and feats performed on other characters to drive your powerscaling agenda. Wano is far larger than anything pretty much any shonen has done, and Oda is achieving more in an overarching plot that other shonen manage to even do, hell any manga in the grand scheme of things. You don't like him characterizing Yamato or Tama or Hiyori, that's on YOU.
The first Whiteknight is here

The pacing in OP is one of the worst in Shounen History

So many Chapters about fodders which nobody gives a shit about.Wano is boring as hell,not a single good fight for now.Off-screen fights are not good,just for your info

For real,stop sucking Oda´s dick
 
#27
The first Whiteknight is here

The pacing in OP is one of the worst in Shounen History

So many Chapters about fodders which nobody gives a shit about.Wano is boring as hell,not a single good fight for now.Off-screen fights are not good,just for your info

For real,stop sucking Oda´s dick
"Anyone who disagrees with my views and has a sense of positivity towards a manga I apparently hate but keep reading weekly is an apologist".

And you are just one of this forums MANY powerscaling cucks that can't get over the fact the manga wasn't made or just you and your favorite character. Get off your high horse.

And really? Dedicated chapters on fodder? There are main characters is in virtually every chapter yet once again, you have things like bleach and naruto focusing on side characters who get 10 chapter battles then immediately lose to the final boss of an arc. Even one of my favorite manga, Berserk, wastes an inhumane amount of time in supporting characters who are virtually not going to do shit against God Hand in the end, not to mention wasting time on random kingdom characters who do nothing to advance the plot. Like holy fuck. 90% of Wano's main characters a built up from previous arcs. You have literally zero concept about world building, which virtually every other shonen seems to lack these days.

At least Oda's fodder fucking does something to advance some portion of virtually any arc plot smh. Good luck enjoying the rest of this series.


edit: Also your avatar is fucking ironic considering your comments. Riku became complete fodder in KH3. His VA even phoned that shit in because he knew how terrible his character was there.
 
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#28
non of that cages the fact that sanji was clearly istablished as above franky (regardless of the distance), which you can't say when it comes to jinbe.
Jinbe was clearly stronger pre RS. Guess it goes either way now, though they'll always be stronger than each other depending on circumstances. Air vs Sea.
 
#32
Post TS has been mostly build up

that's why the arcs feel dragged and pointless, because the pay off was delayed to the main arcs where all plotlines start to come together

Wano is one of those main arcs, and I trust Oda to make all the time wasted as build up to Kaido story worth it

SHs should lose at Onigashima, and comeback in a second round with most character who were involved in Kaido Saga participating thus creating a way bigger war in term of scope and scale compared to MF, and thats what Oda promised
 

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#33
Sorry for not replying, I like his breakdown of the arcs that make up a saga and His breakdown of the current "Super saga" we are in that started back in Punk Hazard. I personally am quite happy with the pace and have been enjoying post time skip alot more than pre timeskip due to the larger scale of things and the ambition.
 
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#35
Post TS has been mostly build up

that's why the arcs feel dragged and pointless, because the pay off was delayed to the main arcs where all plotlines start to come together

Wano is one of those main arcs, and I trust Oda to make all the time wasted as build up to Kaido story worth it

SHs should lose at Onigashima, and comeback in a second round with most character who were involved in Kaido Saga participating thus creating a way bigger war in term of scope and scale compared to MF, and thats what Oda promised
Congratulations for you. That's exactly what Mr Morj say in the video.
 
#36
thing that I don't like in new world is it has too many subplot and characters. It diverts the screentime for the main characters away. Not to mention some of the characters look too weird. Mr. 2 is quirky, but people like raizo or kanjuro is just plain weird.
 
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