Current Events Evolution of One Piece Theorization : My First Flat Earth Theory : Luffy doesn't have Advanced Conqueror's Haki

[Elder Lee Hung]

One Piece "Theories" have always been more or less a waste of time and generally false., with very few, extremely rare occasions when a theory turns out to be true. The most recent one being @Monkey D Theories predicting Gorosei member coming to the Egg head Island. But one thing that can be said about One Piece theorization is that it points towards head canon, it predicts an occurrence that might happen in the future.

But @Rootbeer is the pioneer of new form of One Piece theory methodology, in which you deny the actual occurrence in manga, something that has been established as a Fact in the narrative, and basically deny reality.

We will call this approach to One Piece theory, The Flat Earth Approach as believing Earth is Flat is the most common form of reality denial.
A general template to the The Flat Earth Approach would go like this, and this is an 8 Step Approach.

Create an Arbitrary Criteria that has not been established in Manga - CoC is not Zoro's Haki specialty
A little bit more Arbitrary Criteria - He just unlocked CoC
Random Bullshit that has actually been Contradicted in Manga- AdCoC does not make people pass out, Base CoC does
Straight up Contradict Manga - AdCoC does '' not touch '', Zoro KoH do '' touch ''
WTF does this even mean lmao : At this step just make some shit up - Zoro's Haki trails in KoH are permanently stable, AdCoC trails are charging up and discharging, come and go
Use the Path Argument in your favor- Swordsman Haki path differs from Pirate Haki path
Grasp at Straws - Zoro's Haki trails colors are not Red, therefore not AdCoC

Well let me use that 8 Step Approach to formulate my own One Piece theory based on the Flat Earth Approach

ARBITARY CRITERIA # 1
Luffy is not a weapon user, Weapon users are the only Users that have advCoC

Lets trace the manga chronologically, and find out that Weapon Users (Majority of whom being swordsmen) are the only ones who can use AdvCoC

Roger and Whitebeard introduce AdvCoC both weapon user
Zoro and Oden are AdvCoC users who are Samurai like swordsmen
Shanks and Rayleigh are AdvCoC users who are Swordsmen
Kaido is a weapon user

What does this tell us guys??
Only weapon users can use advCoC

ARBITARY CRITERIA # 2
Rayleigh is an advCoC user, Rayleigh never told Luffy about advCoC because he saw that Luffy is not capable of unlocking advCoC.

Luffy trained with AdvCoC Master, one of the greatest AdvCoC users of all time and Rayleigh never bothered mentioning AdvCoC to Luffy despite it being such an important power in the World of One piece.

That proves that Luffy doesn't have advCoC

RANDOM BULLSHIT
AdvCoC doesn't make people pass out, Base CoC does
We saw how many people passed out from Luffy using his Base CoC in Wano after unlocking Gear 5th. Clearly if he was an advCoC user no one would pass out.

CONTRADICTING MANGA
Actually advCoC touches, Luffy does no touch

Check out thee advCoC attacks, they all touch

Since Luffy's attacks don't touch, that is advCoA which makes sense since Luffy said AdvCoA that Hyogoro taught him allows him to beat people without touching them..

WTF does this even mean lmao : At this step just make some shit up
Luffy's own Haki trails are too small, AdvCoC Haki trials are too long. Luffy can only get long trails when he is clashing with someone and that is the quality of Base CoC. AdvCoC trails have to be very very long, extremely Long

Luffy also hasn't shown reverse kame hame Ha which is integral component of AdvCoC

THE PATH ARGUMENT
AdvCoC is weapon user's path and Luffy is a Brawler
A Brawler like Luffy and Garp use No Touch which is Advanced Ryou as Luffy described and Garp even made that weird bubble that is clearly Ryou

Grasp at Straws
Luffy hasn't shown long advCoC trails so no advCoC

Guys instead of disrespecting Rootbear, understand where he is coming from, give him your own flat earth narratives rather than arguing him in simplistic manners.

Mods better not move my thread to Ground Floor unless they are willing to move every single @Rootbeer thread to Ground Floor as well, otherwise I will just copy paste it in manga section again anyways.


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Now you are starting to understand how I feel about the Ryokugyu Black Blade denial. Lol

 

[ShishioIsBack]

The first time AdCoC is revealed in One Piece by the main character of the Story..

Yes first use of advCoC was actually Kumasari and that was touching attack from a weapon user

You once again fail

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Now you are starting to understand how I feel about the Ryokugyu Black Blade denial. Lol

That blade could be black that doesn't mean Ryokugyu himself made it

Zoro had a black blade at some point that he didn't make right?

 

[Rootbeer]

Yes first use of advCoC was actually Kumasari and that was touching attack from a weapon user

You once again fail

That was not AdCoC, it did not '' no touch'' which is AdCoC main characteristic.. Roger introduced the next level for Swordsmen when facing Oden, then he proceeded to preface another power for the PK Haki path, an AdCoC clash with Whitebeard..

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Now you are starting to understand how I feel about the Ryokugyu Black Blade denial. Lol

Aramaki has a Black Blade, and Tsuru's Granddaugther has one too..

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

Lovin this

Same.

 

[ShishioIsBack]

That was not AdCoC, it did not '' no touch'' which is AdCoC main characteristic.. Roger introduced the next level for Swordsmen when facing Oden, then he proceeded to preface another power for the PK Haki path, an AdCoC clash with Whitebeard..

touching is one of the biggest criteria for AdvCoC as every confirmed advCoC attack has been touch

No touch is direct contradiction to advCoC as per canon

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@Rootbeer man now you changed yourself from "Flat Earth Approach" to age old AI Bot Approach from @JoNdule and you are repeating arguments that are already proven false

 

[Rootbeer]

touching is one of the biggest criteria for AdvCoC as every confirmed advCoC attack has been touch

No touch is direct contradiction to advCoC as per canon

That's why you need to refer to contextual story importance and not any inconsistent Oda drawing.. Follow the narrative to have a good representation of AdCoC as a power..

 

[ShishioIsBack]

@Elder Lee Hung looks like @Rootbeer is infusing FLAT EARTH APPROACH with AI BOT APPROACH to produce significant AP

I wonder what path he is taking

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That's why you need to refer to contextual story importance and not any inconsistent Oda drawing.. Follow the narrative to have a good representation of AdCoC as a power..

If you follow narrative clearly and let go of AI bot approach for once..it is confirmed that no touch is property of advCoA hence why every non touch attack is non AdvCoC attack

 

[Rootbeer]

@Elder Lee Hung looks like @Rootbeer is infusing FLAT EARTH APPROACH with AI BOT APPROACH to produce significant AP

I wonder what path he is taking

Deflecting..

 

[ShishioIsBack]

Deflecting..

Once again AI Bot approach???

 

[Malio]

Of course Luffy doesn't have AdCoC. He uses CoC + Bogyo

 

[ShishioIsBack]

Of course Luffy doesn't have AdCoC. He uses CoC + Bogyo

What is the contextual evidence of term Bogyo?

 

[Malio]

What is the contextual evidence of term Bogyo?

Rootbear's thread is evidence enough tbh

 

[Rootbeer]

Once again AI Bot approach???

As long you will be disingenuous, i will call you out..

 

[ShishioIsBack]

As long you will be disingenuous, i will call you out..

Deflecting??

 

[Rootbeer]

What is the contextual evidence of term Bogyo?

Rootbear's thread is evidence enough tbh

Busou ''Bougyo''
Busou Shoku - Color of Armament

 

[ShishioIsBack]

Busou ''Bougyo''
Busou Shoku - Color of Armament

See once again confirming No touch is advCoA and Luffy is advCoA user

He literally misses two major criteria

1 He is not a weapon user
2 He has shown base CoC only with no touch attacks

 

[Peroroncino]

The first time AdCoC is revealed in One Piece by the main character of the Story..


Deflecting..

by your logic it was on the tree, since it didnt touch right?

 

[Malio]

Busou ''Bougyo''
Busou Shoku - Color of Armament

Teach me your ways

 

[Rootbeer]

See once again confirming No touch is advCoA and Luffy is advCoA user

He literally misses two major criteria

1 He is not a weapon user
2 He has shown base CoC only with no touch attacks

No touch AdCoA is only use defensively, Internal Destruction CoA is offensive and has to touch in battle like Red Roc..

by your logic it was on the tree, since it didnt touch right?

I said it was part of the training, to calibrate the range where Haki could flow in stuff.. That was for when Luffy used AdCoC + Internal Destruction CoA, and he did that only once to finish Kaido wtih Bajrang gun..

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Teach me your ways

If you teach me how to not be a troll, which you can't..

 

[Peroroncino]

No touch AdCoA is only use defensively, Internal Destruction CoA is offensive and has to touch in battle like Red Roc..


I said it was part of the training, to calibrate the range where Haki could flow in stuff.. That was for when Luffy used AdCoC + Internal Destruction CoA, and he did that only once to finish Kaido wtih Bajrang gun..

whether it was training or not advcoc is advcoc, unless you once again saw something no one else saw like the paths that are only in the manga for you