Future Events Figarland Family isnt the Original 20 Celestial Dragon Family

strawhatcrew

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I know its a wild theory but stay with me, so why do i said this? what is the reason?

We know that saint garling fingarland is revealed to be a king of god valley and a leader of holy knight. But, how can he be a king and a cd at the same time?

From what we know in the story. Approximately 800 years before the current timeline, 20 royal families from different islands across the world formed an alliance to combat the Great Kingdom. After the 20 kingdom alliance was victorious, 19 of the 20 royal families relocated to the Holy Land of Mary Geoise, the city built at the top of the Red Line at the halfway point of the Grand Line, a location referred to as "the center of the world". Only the royal family of Arabasta Kingdom chose to stay in their homeland.

All 19 family that move to marijoa become the celestial dragon that we know today except the nefertari family they didnt go to marijoa to become a cd and deem as traitor. But its not only nefertari family, instead we have Figarland family also who stay as a royalty in God Valley but become a Celestial dragon? How can that be?

So, my theory is. Figarland family is actually not a 20 cd family that form the wg. Instead they are a royal family that is a king in god valley and not a celestial dragon family at that time. After the god valley incident. Bcoz of saint garling fingarland have a really big role saving the cd there at the time and protecting them from the threat of rocks pirate. He is instated as a new celestial dragon. But, only he, not his whole family. And now, he become the leader of holy knight based on the perfomance of god valley protecting the cd there.

So, before the god valley incident. He is the king of god valley. After the god valley incident. He is a celestial dragon and a leader of Holy knight. I hope u enjoy my theory thx :)
 
Erkan12

Erkan12

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strawhatcrew said:
I know its a wild theory but stay with me, so why do i said this? what is the reason?

We know that saint garling fingarland is revealed to be a king of god valley and a leader of holy knight. But, how can he be a king and a cd at the same time?

From what we know in the story. Approximately 800 years before the current timeline, 20 royal families from different islands across the world formed an alliance to combat the Great Kingdom. After the 20 kingdom alliance was victorious, 19 of the 20 royal families relocated to the Holy Land of Mary Geoise, the city built at the top of the Red Line at the halfway point of the Grand Line, a location referred to as "the center of the world". Only the royal family of Arabasta Kingdom chose to stay in their homeland.

All 19 family that move to marijoa become the celestial dragon that we know today except the nefertari family they didnt go to marijoa to become a cd and deem as traitor. But its not only nefertari family, instead we have Figarland family also who stay as a royalty in God Valley but become a Celestial dragon? How can that be?

So, my theory is. Figarland family is actually not a 20 cd family that form the wg. Instead they are a royal family that is a king in god valley and not a celestial dragon family at that time. After the god valley incident. Bcoz of saint garling fingarland have a really big role saving the cd there at the time and protecting them from the threat of rocks pirate. He is instated as a new celestial dragon. But, only he, not his whole family. And now, he become the leader of holy knight based on the perfomance of god valley protecting the cd there.

So, before the god valley incident. He is the king of god valley. After the god valley incident. He is a celestial dragon and a leader of Holy knight. I hope u enjoy my theory thx :)
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Not bad.

I could even add more to it.

Now we know it wasn't ancient weapon that government used it was Vegapunk's Mother Flame, and its used for the first time in Lulusia it means God Valley was destroyed by something else.

Then who destroyed it? Perhaps Figarland sacrificed his kingdom to save Celestial Dragons from Xebec and his pirates, and become the hero for the Celestial Dragons and established the Holy Knights and Celestials chose him to judge matters amongst the Celestial Dragon affairs.

Or, Whitebeard's Quake powers destroyed but somehow Figarland made sacrifices to become a Celestial Dragon in a different way.

We know Oda is trying to establish the way if a royalty can be a Celestial Dragon or not by first via showing Stelly, and then York.

Since Figarland was a King in God Valley not living in Marijoa, its possible he become Celestial Dragon later or there was an exception amongst Celestial Dragons.

Or Figarland and his Holy Knights were always in God Valley, but after its destroyed by Xebec or something else, Holy Knights had to move on Marijoa.
 
strawhatcrew

strawhatcrew

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ReligiousAlchemist said:
Idk, I don't see it possible to become a celestial dragon, considering the CD system is heavily based on being a descendant of a descendant of the 19 royal families, and the CDs see that rule as unbreakable. Could be though.

I still think God Valley was essentially a Mary Geoise 2.0
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The possibility of becoming a cd is just a theory at this point based on stelly and york trying to become a cd, if there is an example of the past of someone become a cd. Then thats how stelly and york get the idea to become a cd too

I still think God Valley was essentially a Mary Geoise 2.0
i always see this thrown around, but just because the island got a god name doesnt mean its marijoa 2.0
there is only one holy land, home for the celestial dragon and that is marijoa
it is never stated at all that god valley is marijoa 2.0
 
ReligiousAlchemist

ReligiousAlchemist

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strawhatcrew said:
The possibility of becoming a cd is just a theory at this point based on stelly and york trying to become a cd, if there is an example of the past of someone become a cd. Then thats how stelly and york get the idea to become a cd too
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Both York and Stelly are pretty dumb and naive, it's part of their personality. It's possible that York was easily manipulated by the Gorosei by making her believe it was possible to become a CD, so she could betray Vegapunk. As for Stelly, he's just an idiot who wants to acquire a really high status. At some point he even contemplated the idea of sitting on the Empty Throne just for the sake of feeling special.

strawhatcrew said:
i always see this thrown around, but just because the island got a god name doesnt mean its marijoa 2.0
there is only one holy land, home for the celestial dragon and that is marijoa
it is never stated at all that god valley is marijoa 2.0
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Sengoku hinted at God valley being in the sea, so it was not on the Red Line. Why would the CDs to go down to the seas and form another kingdom down there? Overpopulation? Probably not. Some people thought it was just some kind of special resort for them or a port exclusive to them, but the fact that it turned out to be an actual Kingdom with a King governing it hits at something else. I feel its existence is also kind of contradictory: CDs would never let themselves be governed by someone else, even if that someone is a CD like them. I'm honestly still trying to find sense in the existence of God Valley, so it's possible that it really isn't a Marijoa 2.0, but I think it's the one that makes the most sense as of rn.
 
strawhatcrew

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ReligiousAlchemist said:
Both York and Stelly are pretty dumb and naive, it's part of their personality. It's possible that York was easily manipulated by the Gorosei by making her believe it was possible to become a CD, so she could betray Vegapunk. As for Stelly, he's just an idiot who wants to acquire a really high status. At some point he even contemplated the idea of sitting on the Empty Throne just for the sake of feeling special.


Sengoku hinted at God valley being in the sea, so it was not on the Red Line. Why would the CDs to go down to the seas and form another kingdom down there? Overpopulation? Probably not. Some people thought it was just some kind of special resort for them or a port exclusive to them, but the fact that it turned out to be an actual Kingdom with a King governing it hits at something else. I feel its existence is also kind of contradictory: CDs would never let themselves be governed by someone else, even if that someone is a CD like them. I'm honestly still trying to find sense in the existence of God Valley, so it's possible that it really isn't a Marijoa 2.0, but I think it's the one that makes the most sense as of rn.
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The cd didnt go down to sea to form their own kingdom, they all abdict their throne and install a new royal family for example in dressrosa they make riku the royal family. So, having a cd govern their own land like nefertari family is contradictory bcoz nefertari didnt become a cd and stay as the royal family and is deem a traitor by the gorosei. But instead, the figarland family get a special privilege to govern their own land and be a cd at the same time? its not possible bcoz we all know all 19 family move to marijoa, the only exception is nefertari family.
CDs would never let themselves be governed by someone else,
That is true, its also the point of empty throne. But, with the existence of imu, it seem like he is the leader of celestial dragon, whether they aware or not idk
 
ReligiousAlchemist

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strawhatcrew said:
The cd didnt go down to sea to form their own kingdom, they all abdict their throne and install a new royal family for example in dressrosa they make riku the royal family. So, having a cd govern their own land like nefertari family is contradictory bcoz nefertari didnt become a cd and stay as the royal family and is deem a traitor by the gorosei. But instead, the figarland family get a special privilege to govern their own land and be a cd at the same time? its not possible bcoz we all know all 19 family move to marijoa, the only exception is nefertari family.
CDs would never let themselves be governed by someone else,
That is true, its also the point of empty throne. But, with the existence of imu, it seem like he is the leader of celestial dragon, whether they aware or not idk
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The way I see it, God Valley is a kingdom which's population is composed of only celestial dragons. You're mentioning the whole thing of the 19 royal families leaving their respective kingdoms, but God Valley is, at least how I see it, a kingdom that was made AFTER the creation of the WG, aka, when the celestial dragons were created. None of the 19 families ruled God Valley because it didn't exist at the point in time. It was created after the Void Century, the creation of the WG and the creation of the CD system. It wouldn't have made sense for God Valley to have existed prior to void Century if its population was pure formed by CDs, who appeared after the VC. The CDs who founded God Valley didn't found it for non-CDs, they founded it only for themselves and other celestial dragons. They would never go to back the sea to the sea, and great a Kingdom to govern on people they deemed "inferior scum".

strawhatcrew said:
That is true, its also the point of empty throne. But, with the existence of imu, it seem like he is the leader of celestial dragon, whether they aware or not idk
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They aren't aware of the existence of Imu. Honestly, that could also be a possibility as of why Garling was the king of God Valley, they CDs probably didn't know about him being their King on the kingdom. Big stretch but it would give somewhat sense to the whole God Valley thing.
 
strawhatcrew

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ReligiousAlchemist said:
The way I see it, God Valley is a kingdom which's population is composed of only celestial dragons. You're mentioning the whole thing of the 19 royal families leaving their respective kingdoms, but God Valley is, at least how I see it, a kingdom that was made AFTER the creation of the WG, aka, when the celestial dragons were created. None of the 19 families ruled God Valley because it didn't exist at the point in time. It was created after the Void Century, the creation of the WG and the creation of the CD system. It wouldn't have made sense for God Valley to have existed prior to void Century if its population was pure formed by CDs, who appeared after the VC. The CDs who founded God Valley didn't found it for non-CDs, they founded it only for themselves and other celestial dragons. They would never go to back the sea to the sea, and great a Kingdom to govern on people they deemed "inferior scum".


They aren't aware of the existence of Imu. Honestly, that could also be a possibility as of why Garling was the king of God Valley, they CDs probably didn't know about him being their King on the kingdom. Big stretch but it would give somewhat sense to the whole God Valley thing.
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That god valley is a kingdom composed of only celestial dragon is a theory of its own then, i think u should make another thread for that haha. This is just speculation at this point because is nothing revealed about god valley being the 2nd of home god valley.Anyway this is from wiki.

The God Valley Incident took place at an island known as God Valley, 38 years before present time. It consisted of a battle between the Rocks Pirates and a joint effort of the Roger Pirates and the Marines.

For unknown reasons, the World Nobles and some of their slaves were present at God Valley during this incident. In order to protect them from Rocks D. Xebec and his crew, who were planning an attack on the World Nobles, current Marine Vice-Admiral Monkey D. Garp had to form a temporary alliance with Gol D. Roger, captain of the Roger Pirates.

For unknown reasons, the World Nobles and some of their slaves were present at God Valley during this incident.
it didnt said that the celestial dragon live there, not at all. It just a coincidence that they are there at the time of god valley incident
 
T.D.A

T.D.A

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strawhatcrew said:
I know its a wild theory but stay with me, so why do i said this? what is the reason?

We know that saint garling fingarland is revealed to be a king of god valley and a leader of holy knight. But, how can he be a king and a cd at the same time?

From what we know in the story. Approximately 800 years before the current timeline, 20 royal families from different islands across the world formed an alliance to combat the Great Kingdom. After the 20 kingdom alliance was victorious, 19 of the 20 royal families relocated to the Holy Land of Mary Geoise, the city built at the top of the Red Line at the halfway point of the Grand Line, a location referred to as "the center of the world". Only the royal family of Arabasta Kingdom chose to stay in their homeland.

All 19 family that move to marijoa become the celestial dragon that we know today except the nefertari family they didnt go to marijoa to become a cd and deem as traitor. But its not only nefertari family, instead we have Figarland family also who stay as a royalty in God Valley but become a Celestial dragon? How can that be?

So, my theory is. Figarland family is actually not a 20 cd family that form the wg. Instead they are a royal family that is a king in god valley and not a celestial dragon family at that time. After the god valley incident. Bcoz of saint garling fingarland have a really big role saving the cd there at the time and protecting them from the threat of rocks pirate. He is instated as a new celestial dragon. But, only he, not his whole family. And now, he become the leader of holy knight based on the perfomance of god valley protecting the cd there.

So, before the god valley incident. He is the king of god valley. After the god valley incident. He is a celestial dragon and a leader of Holy knight. I hope u enjoy my theory thx :)
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He wasn’t stated to be an actual royal king of God Valley. “King” of God Valley seems to be his nickname
 
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