Powers & Abilities Flame on. Lmfao.

[TheAncientCenturion]

Again you’re interpreting to mean “they can’t be cut” when in reality the can. What we see is that they can be cut, but they just get back up and the damage disappears.

Stop applying headcanon. We see they aren't damaged. We have actual proof when we see S-Hawk NOT hurt by Shishisonson. We see this with King. The damage is never present to begin with.

The seraphim have that ability combined with the heightened durability as we’ve seen from Oda directly showing King and S-Hawk getting hit with a sword slash.

Baseless.

King and S-Hawk took the same move, zero damage on either of them. Zoro describes how King works and applies it to Lunarians, Vega doesn't interject.

This has been a weird headcanon in the community since the start, with zero evidence to support it in the manga.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Stop applying headcanon. We see they aren't damaged. We have actual proof when we see S-Hawk NOT hurt by Shishisonson. We see this with King. The damage is never present to begin with.

Baseless.

King and S-Hawk took the same move, zero damage on either of them. Zoro describes how King works and applies it to Lunarians, Vega doesn't interject.

This has been a weird headcanon in the community since the start, with zero evidence to support it in the manga.

We see S-Hawk not bleeding from a Rengoku Onigiri. We see King bleeding from a Rengoku Onigiri. Like what weird headcanon are you convoluting to ignore this very simple straightforward comparison…

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

We see S-Hawk not bleeding from a Rengoku Onigiri. We see King bleeding from a Rengoku Onigiri. Like what weird headcanon are you convoluting to ignore this very simple straightforward comparison…

And then we have later feats and statements that prove King's durability goes beyond that? Unless you think Shishisonson is a weaker attack or Zoro forgot Onigiri worked when he called Lunarians "basically invincible" in Egghead?

Don't get over excited about a colored manga done by Shuesha, it doesn't change anything Oda wrote.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

And then we have later feats and statements that prove King's durability goes beyond that? Unless you think Shishisonson is a weaker attack or Zoro forgot Onigiri worked when he called Lunarians "basically invincible" in Egghead?

Don't get over excited about a colored manga done by Shuesha, it doesn't change anything Oda wrote.

We literally don’t see the effect of the shishisonson until after… and is shishisonson < random stab that pierced flame on king prior to jackpot????

King bled in the official manga too?

Again, Lunarians are nigh invincible in flame on mode; however, it’s because they are able to instantly heal damage done to them in that state as we’ve seen kings body get cut and pierced in flame on mode, but as Zoro said it’s not doing damage.

 

[nik87]

We knew this for years and you are finding about it now?
In case you still don't know whats going on, let me clarify.
King in flame mode is indeed invincible and Oda drew 2 impossible instances.

Once that you made a thread about and the other is after Marco's knee missile.
It is not possible that King was injured in both scenes.
Because after those scenes, Zoro himself says King never bleeds. You should be familiar with Oda's fake hype by now.

 

[Terminall]

Lucci isn't stronger than King lmfao. Zoro played with Lucci, whereas Zoro was being pressured by King up until he unlocks CoC.

You really only need to compare Zoro fighting S Hawk and then Zoro fighting King. King was ragdolling Zoro while in flame mode, S Hawk hasn't come close to damaging Zoro.

Zoro didn't play with anything lmfao and Lucci was fighting a stronger Zoro than the one who folded King, difference is only one of them was defeated or fell on their back.

Seraphim > King.

Nika would trash King in even less moves then he needed for Lucci.

 

[ArturCantSpeakJapanese]

What kind of no-evidence, lack of statement response is this?

Vegapunk doesn't imply once that their durability is due to anything but Lunarian DNA. Adding a Pacifista (one shot material to out of timeskip Zoro/Sanji/Luffy) would not make them go drastically higher in terms of defense and would NOT improve upon "almost invulnerable" that Zoro assigns to Lunarians.

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This is fanon/headcanon. There is no "better than King" or "a defense stronger than Lunarians" it's;

"Oh, they're like King, so here's how his defense worked."

They're stronger defensively than basic lunarians and that's obvious

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

it’s because they are able to instantly heal damage done to them in that state

This has NEVER been a thing. This is your own headcanon applied to the manga. You cannot find one source in Oda's work that describe Lunarians as "healing". Instead, Zoro says he can't see any blood when he slashes him. Which means he didn't draw blood. He later calls them invincible when their flames are on.

Oda is hand feeding you this.

 

[ArturCantSpeakJapanese]

We literally don’t see the effect of the shishisonson until after… and is shishisonson < random stab that pierced flame on king prior to jackpot????

King bled in the official manga too?

Again, Lunarians are nigh invincible in flame on mode; however, it’s because they are able to instantly heal damage done to them in that state as we’ve seen kings body get cut and pierced in flame on mode, but as Zoro said it’s not doing damage.

The random stab no one likes to talk about also drew blood before he exploded lol

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This has NEVER been a thing. This is your own headcanon applied to the manga. You cannot find one source in Oda's work that describe Lunarians as "healing". Instead, Zoro says he can't see any blood when he slashes him. Which means he didn't draw blood. He later calls them invincible when their flames are on.

Oda is hand feeding you this.

He did draw blood though. You can see it in the manga several times.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Zoro didn't play with anything lmfao and Lucci was fighting a stronger Zoro than the one who folded King, difference is only one of them was defeated or fell on their back.

Look at how Zoro disrespects awakened Lucci's Shigan no Madara

Spoiler

This man is casually walking forward, shifting as little as possible to avoid Lucci's spam all while grabbing his sword.

This is Zoro fighting King

Spoiler

They're stronger defensively than basic lunarians and that's obvious

No, the manga doesn't support this.

Zoro compares them to King before knowing they're even related.

And when he does know they're derived from King's DNA, this is what he says;

So how do you get more durable than "basically invincible" which he is solely pulling from his fight against King? Vegapunk, right behind them, doesn't correct Zoro and say "these Seraphim are even more durable than other Lunarians!", Oda allows Zoro to apply Lunarian descriptions to each of them without any additional comment.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

He did draw blood though. You can see it in the manga several times.

Only to be retconned by Oda, if King did bleed. Zoro hismelf reinforces this 2x times.

 

[soheilhazrat]

That's got to be fake.

It is

 

[Sir Yasheen]

This has NEVER been a thing. This is your own headcanon applied to the manga. You cannot find one source in Oda's work that describe Lunarians as "healing". Instead, Zoro says he can't see any blood when he slashes him. Which means he didn't draw blood. He later calls them invincible when their flames are on.

Oda is hand feeding you this.

You also can’t find a source that claims they have super durability; that was the fandoms headcanon about kings abilities which have never been explained.

Zoro has drawn blood on panel multiple times. As has Marco.

They are invincible because they keep getting up.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

You also can’t find a source that claims they have super durability; that was the fandoms headcanon about kings abilities which have never been explained.

Zoro has drawn blood on panel multiple times. As has Marco.

They are invincible because they keep getting up.

Except I can bring up panels to them not being hurt and there's no sign of recovering? Because I can read properly and you're the only person on this forum who thinks they have unheard of regenerative properties? Because Zoro states he didn't draw blood? Because the Seraphim, whose abilities are Lunarian, do not regenerate.

 

[ArturCantSpeakJapanese]

Look at how Zoro disrespects awakened Lucci's Shigan no Madara

Spoiler

This man is casually walking forward, shifting as little as possible to avoid Lucci's spam all while grabbing his sword.

This is Zoro fighting King

Spoiler

No, the manga doesn't support this.

Zoro compares them to King before knowing they're even related.

And when he does know they're derived from King's DNA, this is what he says;

So how do you get more durable than "basically invincible" which he is solely pulling from his fight against King? Vegapunk, right behind them, doesn't correct Zoro and say "these Seraphim are even more durable than other Lunarians!", Oda allows Zoro to apply Lunarian descriptions to each of them without any additional comment.

"Basically invincible" is not "literally invincible". I guess Oda is right, this is a matter of reading comprehension.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Except I can bring up panels to them not being hurt and there's no sign of recovering? Because I can read properly and you're the only person on this forum who thinks they have unheard of regenerative properties? Because Zoro states he didn't draw blood? Because the Seraphim, whose abilities are Lunarian, do not regenerate.

And I can bring up multiple panels of King bleeding from the attacks or attacks penetrating him then him instantly being fine afterwards.

And yeah let’s not act like everyone in this forum complains about how confusing Kings powers are like any of us know how they actual work. But we have been seen enough that King did in fact bleed from Zoros slashes. That’s just a straight manga fact. That king did in fact get pierced by Zoros stab. That is also a manga fact.

Your entire argument is that Oda was retconning it, mid fight.

 

[ArturCantSpeakJapanese]

Only to be retconned by Oda, if King did bleed. Zoro hismelf reinforces this 2x times.

why is he blocking? why is he scared?

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

"Basically invincible" is not "literally invincible". I guess Oda is right, this is a matter of reading comprehension.

It really is, especially when Zoro tells a Yonko, Rob Lucci and Kaku not to bother attacking while the flames are on. But you'd rather be a pedant about language than take in the context.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

And I can bring up multiple panels of King bleeding from the attacks or attacks penetrating him then him instantly being fine afterwards.

He's bled twice, if you take the colored manga into account.

And Zoro outright says he didn't make King bleed in 1032. So odds are that Zoro didn't make King bleed in 1022 when he cut him with Onigiri.

And yeah let’s not act like everyone in this forum complains about how confusing Kings powers are like any of us know how they actual work. But we have been seen enough that King did in fact bleed from Zoros slashes. That’s just a straight manga fact. That king did in fact get pierced by Zoros stab. That is also a manga fact.

Your entire argument is that Oda was retconning it, mid fight.

I'm using Oda's actual words from the fight, where Oda says Zoro hasn't drawn any blood, where Zoro calls them practically invincible because they have King's defenses, and not to attack until the flames are off.

Can you imagine thinking it's anything but super defense, to tell LUFFY not to attack them until they're vulnerable? The man who just beat Kaido has to wait for an opening.

 

[ArturCantSpeakJapanese]

It really is, especially when Zoro tells a Yonko, Rob Lucci and Kaku not to bother attacking while the flames are on. But you'd rather be a pedant about language than take in the context.

He wants them to stop expending max effort when there's an easier way. Rob Lucci and Kaku honestly probably aren't strong enough to hurt them with flame on anyway. Luffy is retarded and the easiest way to explain it to him is to just say they're basically invincible.

Your fangirling for King doesn't need to depend on fake perfect durability. He's still a cool bishonen guy and a strong commander. He's just not invincible and the Seraphim are all stronger than him