Powers & Abilities Fujitora is the only one of the 3 admirals who can have ACoC

[Salah WG]

If Akainu had CoC, then Aokiji 100% have it, otherwise He wouldn't be able to Match Akainu for 10 Days
If both Akainu & Aokiji have it, and since Sengoku is confirmed to have it, then Kizaru must 100% have it as well
If All OG Admirals had CoC, then it's a Requirement for that Position, meaning both Fujitora & Ryo must absolutely have it

However, Ryokugyu definitely doesn't have CoC
Which means none of Admirals do as far as anyone knows
Fujitora is only one who could be Hiding it (To not get Unneeded Attention)

Akainu's Worst Feat imo is Fighting Aokiji, if He didn't, i would have considered his Potential same as Garp or Sengoku
But that Fight showcased that He isn't Superior than Rest of Admirals

 

[Monkey D Theories]

They just do what they think is right, be it following orders (and Kizaru knows very well Vegapunk's crime) or not. Mich more than a Yamato could say.

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Fujitora consistently does his own thing. The others consistently obey their higher ups.

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It is extremely evident

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What kingly ambitions does Kata have? He has CoC but seriously what kingly ambitions? What kingly ambitions did WB have, he literally refused to sit on the throne. Cant believe I am making case for Admirals to have CoC. Being an Admiral should itself be a kingly ambition, you are literally aiming to be the strongest known member of the strongest organization in the world. To the public only fleet admiral is higher but generally the Admirals are aimed for or talked about.

Kata is king of totland
WB was emperor

Both wanted to protect their families. Given how Luffy, Shanks, Roger all protected their friends, it is evident that protecting others is a kingly ambition.

Being strong doesn't necessitate having a kingly ambition. The admirals all ate powerful DFs. The only two admirals who aren't logias are 1) Sengoku and 2)Fujitora. Most characters who have busted DFs aren't conquerors because they are carried by their powers. Its why Law isn't a conqueror but Kid is.

 

[Dragon777]

fail to see how GB has any kingly ambitions. The dude is a top tier because he has a logia and some good CoA/CoO to back it up.

Because you fail to apply your own criteria to the other CoC users.

You slander GB for half of a phrase in which he said he would like Akainu to give him full marks (while being so autonomous to explicitly go against his orders), but don't do the same with Yamato, who doesn't just want to be praised and much less would do against the world of his god Oden: she has such a zero personality that she wants to be called Oden!
A total lack of any, and I mean any, kingly disposition or even personality, but for Yamato is okay; for GB instead is not okay to say that he liked Akainu lol.

And there is his justice: deadly justice to be precise.
The non-allied country does not matter.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

If Akainu had CoC, then Aokiji 100% have it, otherwise He wouldn't be able to Match Akainu for 10 Days
If both Akainu & Aokiji have it, and since Sengoku is confirmed to have it, then Kizaru must 100% have it as well
If All OG Admirals had CoC, then it's a Requirement for that Position, meaning both Fujitora & Ryo must absolutely have it

However, Ryokugyu definitely doesn't have CoC
Which means none of Admirals do as far as anyone knows
Fujitora is only one who could be Hiding it (To not get Unneeded Attention)

Akainu's Worst Feat imo is Fighting Aokiji, if He didn't, i would have considered his Potential same as Garp or Sengoku
But that Fight showcased that He isn't Superior than Rest of Admirals

There is a significant chance that Akainu acquired CoC by defeating Aokiji. If the two were equal, why was Akainu able to win? Evidently, he must have had an ambition that Aokiji lacked.

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Because you fail to apply your own criteria to the other CoC users.

You slander GB for half of a phrase in which he said he would like Akainu to give him full marks (while being so autonomous to explicitly go against his orders), but don't do the same with Yamato, who doesn't just want to be praised and much less would do against the world of his god Oden: she has such a zero personality that she wants to be called Oden!
A total lack of any, and I mean any, kingly disposition or even personality, but for Yamato is okay; for GB instead is not okay to say that he liked Akainu lol.

And there is his justice: deadly justice to be precise.
The non-allied country does not matter.

GB accepts the authority over him. Meanwhile Yamato fought Kaido her entire life.

 

[Salah WG]

What kingly ambitions does Kata have? He has CoC but seriously what kingly ambitions? What kingly ambitions did WB have, he literally refused to sit on the throne. Cant believe I am making case for Admirals to have CoC. Being an Admiral should itself be a kingly ambition, you are literally aiming to be the strongest known member of the strongest organization in the world. To the public only fleet admiral is higher but generally the Admirals are aimed for or talked about.

Gan Fall explained what a Ruler or King is, it's someone who Protects, who Unites People through Protection

Aside from Doflamingo who could have it simply for being a Fighting Celestial Dragon
All Others are Protectors

Hancock ---> I'm gonna Protect Amazon Lily
Big Mom ---> I'm gonna Protect Totto Land
Chinjao ---> I'm gonna Protect My Gold
Katakuri ---> I'm gonna Protect My Family
Zoro ---> I'm gonna Protect My Captain
Yamato ---> I'm gonna Protect Wano
Whitebeard ---> I'm gonna Protect My Crew
... etc

It doesn't mean that Every Protector has CoC, but Every CoC's Kingly Ambition manifests in their Will to Protect Something.
There are certain things that when someone shows Extreme Devotion to Protecting, They Inherit Haoshoku Haki
(It's a Will that is Passed down to those who have the same Will as Original CoC Users, as simple as that)

 

[MUUGEN]

i forget, Kaido BM and WB were all subordinates of Xebec, Shanks was a subordinate of Roger, Oden was subordinate to both WB and Roger & Ace was a subordinate to WB.

this is a good definition of makes someone a conqueror:

The draw of power, which can come in many forms, is difficult to quantify but overwhelms those that desire conquest. Conquerors face overwhelming dangers for a chance to rule but believe the reward outweighs the risk. good judgment or accuracy. strong desire for success and recognition. capable of inspiring or influencing large numbers of people.​

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Katakuri: Literally the Leader of the Sweet Commanders and most level headed crewmates and the one person every single person in the crew and family looks up to and relies on. He has all the responsibilities and respect of a true right hand man the same way both Rayleigh and Zoro are to their respective crews. His captain is his mom not just some random person that he follows, he also doesn't fear her and chose his role to be his siblings protector.

 

[Salah WG]

There is a significant chance that Akainu acquired CoC by defeating Aokiji. If the two were equal, why was Akainu able to win? Evidently, he must have had an ambition that Aokiji lacked.

That's only Possibility for Akainu to have CoC
But is Akainu really that bad at using Haki that He didn't learn CoC Coating until He was almost 60?
These are Admirals, They represent Perfect Soldiers, how can a Fleet Admiral Candidate fail to Unlocking CoC Coating for Decades while Yamato learned it by herself at a Young Age & while being Imprisoned most her Life

Admirals simply don't have CoC, not cuz They are Weak, it's just not Part of Lore

 

[Blazing Lion]

i forget, Kaido BM and WB were all subordinates of Xebec, Shanks was a subordinate of Roger, Oden was subordinate to both WB and Roger & Ace was a subordinate to WB.

this is a good definition of makes someone a conqueror:

The draw of power, which can come in many forms, is difficult to quantify but overwhelms those that desire conquest. Conquerors face overwhelming dangers for a chance to rule but believe the reward outweighs the risk. good judgment or accuracy. strong desire for success and recognition. capable of inspiring or influencing large numbers of people.​

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Katakuri: Literally the Leader of the Sweet Commanders and most level headed crewmates and the one person every single person in the crew and family looks up to and relies on. He has all the responsibilities and respect of a true right hand man the same way both Rayleigh and Zoro are to their respective crews. His captain is his mom not just some random person that he follows, he also doesn't fear her and chose his role to be his siblings protector.

Now which of these does not apply to an Admiral?

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Not trying to argue that being a subordinate is a disqualifier for ACoC. Simply that subordinates with ACoC all have kingly ambitions.

i forget, Kaido BM and WB were all subordinates of Xebec, Shanks was a subordinate of Roger, Oden was subordinate to both WB and Roger & Ace was a subordinate to WB.

Those guys all had kingly ambitions. The rocks trio all went on to become emperors. As did Shanks. Oden would have been shogun if not for Kaido and he made himself daimyo even before meeting WB. As for Ace, dude could have been the future pirate king if he wasn't killed.

 

[Dragon777]

Fujitora consistently does his own thing. The others consistently obey their higher ups.

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It is extremely evident

Yeah, because it is how their justice works.
Zoro did as he was told most of the time, Chinjao surely did, Yamato would probably jump into the ocean if Oden told her such. So?

Admirals have their own justice. Vegapunk is now a criminal because he read the PG and so he has to be disposed of, even if it is a sad thing. In fact, this marks a very strong will to do what is "right" even outside the consequences.

Also, even the GB you were referring to as the epitome of non-CoC ignored Akainu two times:

- when he ordered him to kick Fujitora out, and he didn't;

- when Akainu ordered not to go to Wano, which he did.

I can't find a single similar thing for Chinjao or Kata or Yamato (with Luffy or Momo, which she recognized as her superiors)

 

[Monkey D Theories]

That's only Possibility for Akainu to have CoC
But is Akainu really that bad at using Haki that He didn't learn CoC Coating until He was almost 60?
These are Admirals, They represent Perfect Soldiers, how can a Fleet Admiral Candidate fail to Unlocking CoC Coating for Decades while Yamato learned it by herself at a Young Age & while being Imprisoned most her Life

Admirals simply don't have CoC, not cuz They are Weak, it's just not Part of Lore

Because they coasted off their DFs.

Akainu likely got it against Aokiji because that was the hardest battle he ever fought

 

[Dragon777]

GB accepts the authority over him. Meanwhile Yamato fought Kaido her entire life.

Lol, what does that mean?

We are talking about orders from someone that you recognize as your superior, not from someone who you don't recognize lol.
Do you think GB would have taken orders from Luffy or BN? No, but he would form Akainu. If GB refused an order form Luffy it would have been a sign of CoC then lol?

If the "superiors" Yamato recognized (Oden, Luffy, Momo) told her to jump, she would just say "how high", as she has already done in fact.

 

[MUUGEN]

Now which of these does not apply to an Admiral?

what are the admirals fighting for, who are the protecting, what are their ambitions, who do they inspire, what desires do they have?

Kizaru literally called himself a lackey and is following the orders of Saturn going against his "nephew" and Vegapunk and Bonney all these people he considers friends for what other reason than the WG wants it....

Greenbull literally got bodied by Shanks CoC from miles away and blindly followed the CDs when the Revos invaded to free the slaves - even Kizaru and Momonga showcased better resistance to it in Film Red.

Akainu had to fight Aokiji for Fleet Admiral he wasn't the clear outright succesor for the position and the only reason he was in contention for it was due to the higher ups 5 Elders maybe even Kong which I doubt.

Aokiji the one who could more than the rest actually have it doesn't that was evident enough in his fight against Garp.

Fujitora has opposed the WG and orders at every turn hes had, he allowed Luffy and Co to be the ones to defeat Joker and free Dressrosa to undermine the WG and the Navy, his desire and ambitions are to abolish the warlord system (happened) he was banished from HQ and here we see him in Mariejois freeing slaves and going against Greenbull.

 

[Salah WG]

Because they coasted off their DFs.

Akainu likely got it against Aokiji because that was the hardest battle he ever fought

Not really an Excuse
If that's a True, then it's Oda shitting on Akainu, not Hyping him
Not to mention that CoC Coating doesn't fit his DF at all

His Fighting Style relies on hitting People with Magma & Melt them
If his Opponents get Hit, They are not gonna say "Oh No, his Haki dealt so much Damage", Their Bodies got melted, who cares about Haki in such situation

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Only the GOAT Wabo could make Issho whip out CoCk AND his Devil Fruit for him

 

[Dragon777]

what are the admirals fighting for, who are the protecting, what are their ambitions, who do they inspire, what desires do they have?

Literally protect the world as their vision of justice said.

for what other reason than the WG wants it....

Literally because they committed a crime, the worst crime in fact, Kizaru himself told us.

Greenbull literally got bodied by Shanks CoC from miles away and blindly followed the CDs when the Revos invaded to free the slaves -

Let's say for the sake of the discussion this is relevant or not exaggerated and so on.

Do you think Chinjao wouldn't have had the same reaction at Shanks full power haki? Or Dofla?
All CoC just the same.

 

[JoNdule]

Other than Akainu

I'm not gonna be 100% on Admirals having CoC
Even Kizaru...

 

[Dragon777]

Other than Akainu

I'm not gonna be 100% on Admirals having CoC
Even Kizaru...

For me Akainu and Aokiji are almost certian; Fuji Is probabile; the others are possibile.

 

[God of Finance]

I'm just going to wait till Oda retcons the admirals to have COC and watch the show

 

[Sir Yasheen]

More than likely. Just power wise, Fuji has the weakest fruit so he’d need something to balance the scales and seeing how Ryo appears to have black blade CoC is the only option.