Character Discussion Garp and Kuzan's battle another perspective.

#1
From story perspective, it's been highlighted twice by Garp that Kuzan was hesitating when fighting him.

1. When Garp used Blue Hole and said that wavering is a sign of weakness to Kuzan*.

2. And then Garp calls him soft when Kuzan looks out for his health in the middle of battle despite they're being enemies.


And now regarding the context of the Garp and Kuzan fight:

-Garp with Marine SWORD holding back Kuzan and BBP pirates for some time.

-Garp was distracted by Koby and got wounded by Shiryu (calling him a small thug from impel down)*, which weakened him to some extent.

- Garp exchanged hits with Kuzan, and finally Kuzan impaled him with his DF, leading him to his defeat.

*Interestingly, Shiryu only found opening when he was distracted; he efficiently broke his iron body, which contributed faster to his defeat.
*Due to their past relationships as mentor and protege in Marine.

Addendum:

1. Garp slammed Shiryu and called him a small time thug from Impel Down, which implied he doesn't respect him much or he knows so well about his reputation.
2. In the same chapter, Kuzan said that only he can fight Garp effectively.
3. As confirmed by Blackbeard in the latest chapter, including Him, only Kuzan could possibly beat Garp in the Hachinosu.

Now, context from the past doesn't invalidate the event that happened in the present timeline.

Kuzan saying that together they're finally defeating Garp doesn't invalidate that it was Kuzan who put in the most work to achieve that goal (Blackbeard indirectly confirmed only him and Kuzan who could possibly defeat Garp in this chapter). And it doesn't mean that Shiryu doesn't contribute to hastening Garp's defeat at the hands of Blackbeard pirates.

Finally, the narrative that Kuzan fights all out with Garp would be questionable at best. When Garp points two times in a row that his resolution was wavering when fighting with him (see points 1 and 2). Which leads to either Kuzan is playing dumb in this chapter or Garp is a liar, when we already know as a reader that their bond runs deep in the past.

Looking at the bigger picture, it's clear as day that it was Kuzan who contributed more to Garp's defeat, followed by Shiryu and then the rest of the Blackbeard pirates.

Hopefully this could balance the perspective in this forum.
 
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#6
The waiters discord is going to raid the forum with this nonsense?
There's definitely something grim behind this schizo rewriting of the story.
Kuzan saying that together they're finally defeating Garp doesn't invalidate that it was Kuzan who put in the most work to achieve that goal (Blackbeard indirectly confirmed only him and Kuzan who could possibly defeat Garp in this chapter). And it doesn't mean that Shiryu doesn't contribute to hastening Garp's defeat at the hands of Blackbeard pirates.

Read the bolded part.
 

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#7
Oda couldn't draw Kaidou....(the villain in his own saga, who is supposed to be getting hyped) defeat Oden, a newly introduced one saga top tier, without a cheapshot.

Obviously Oda is not gonna send an absolute legend like Garp off in the time it takes to have a sandwich, with Kuzan half assing, without a caveat 😂

This fanbase is too jokes, 1000+ chapters, still can't figure this mangaka out. Dudes fall for the same stuff over and over.
 
#9
Add that brennew said that Garp strength is not innate and that Kuzan has equal striking to prime garp when not hesitating
Maybe. I wouldn't say that he has a prime Garp-level strength of punch, though. Causes of different characters have different peak potential, and Garp has famous status for his striking power until now.



However, judging from the battleship bag chapter and their exchanged hits, when Garp used a coated conqueror haki punch and Kuzan used armament with an ice glove. It is highly possible Kuzan is at least on a similar level to old Garp in striking power.
 
#14
Regardless of the stance on the issue and how they scale, it is obvious Kuzan held back and Garp was ganged on.
It's pretty obvious Kuzan held back when Garp pointed out two times in a manga and the BBP fought him together, leading to his defeat.

Those two statements aren't mutually exclusive with each other.
 
#18
they're creating alts now :shame:
Hoo. When someone pointed out obvious things in manga. You concluded that someone was creating alts...


Seriously, how did you come up with such a conclusion?:lusalty:
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Garp fought 1 vs 10000
Garp with Marines and Sword vs Kuzan, Shiryu, and BBP.:crybeard:
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Admiral damage control squad is here
Damage control, circle jerk, creating alts..:okay:
What circlejerk? Why should I be confined to some agenda sht like that..

Just give 2 cents for what really happened in the manga.

Btw, see some outrageous take from swordsman fans when one of them said that Shiryu is superior to Blackbeard and Kuzan.

You can't be serious, right? :whitepress:
Again. Read the bolded part.
 
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