Is Bleach Better than Kingdom?


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So Shin is the only Chakra user in this series? Ok then.
Shin landed a hit amped by Ouki and Duke chakra
Tou was going toe toe for a while with Yoku
Coalition Shin could never do that with Houken
Houken has absolutely embarrassed guys that i have above someone like Ranbihaku who Tou didn't get an advantage against
Tou is a tough fight but Houken simply looks much more overwhelming
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Man'U would one shot Houken and Renpa at the same time and not even notice Hobopa
Man'U would lose to Earl Shi.
 

Elder Lee Hung

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Kanmei outskilled Oukotsu, don't you think it's reasonable that Houken might outskill and outspeed them ?



Houken was completely superior to Ouki as a fighter. Better strength, better speed, better technique. Ouki would have won anyway because that’s what weight is.

Moubu and Kanmei not only have weight but superior brute strength to Ouki. And their martial talent was praised by Jinsou too.
 
You guys have forgotten who Houken was lmao. This man even grew in strength after those feats.
Posting a single panel of Houken knocking away Ouki doesn't do favors for you. I never said he was weak.

The reality is that your weight gets boosted even further from close relations with fallen comrads, especially when facing the man responsible, like we saw with Shin and Ouki.

Tou facing off against Houken is a completely different animal.

 

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Shin landed a hit amped by Ouki and Duke chakra
Tou was going toe toe for a while with Yoku
Coalition Shin could never do that with Houken
Houken has absolutely embarrassed guys that i have above someone like Ranbihaku who Tou didn't get an advantage against
Tou is a tough fight but Houken simply looks much more overwhelming
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Man'U would lose to Earl Shi.
Man'U>Earl Shi>Moubu>Houken>>>Kaishibou ~Renpa>=Rinko
 



Houken was completely superior to Ouki as a fighter. Better strength, better speed, better technique. Ouki would have won anyway because that’s what weight is.

Moubu and Kanmei not only have weight but superior brute strength to Ouki. And their martial talent was praised by Jinsou too.
Yep. You're right. But Houken grew in strength since Bayou and then the question remains how does Ouki fair against Kanmei and Moubu. I think Ouki's weight is way superior to theirs and I also think he's way more skilled as a warrior than Moubu and Kanmei.
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Posting a single panel of Houken knocking away Ouki doesn't do favors for you. I never said he was weak.

The reality is that your weight gets boosted even further from close relations with fallen comrads, especially when facing the man responsible, like we saw with Shin and Ouki.

Tou facing off against Houken is a completely different animal.

So the argument here is basically an unknown amount of weight Tou is supposed to get when up against Houken due to his connections to Ouki ?

Yeah I think using feats we've already seen is the safer bet rn as Tou will never fight an enemy of Ouki like Houken and the feats between the two are night and day.
 

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Yep. You're right. But Houken grew in strength since Bayou and then the question remains how does Ouki fair against Kanmei and Moubu. I think Ouki's weight is way superior to theirs and I also think he's way more skilled as a warrior than Moubu and Kanmei.
Hmmm idk, I’m not going to run through Kanmei again but the dude had scored over a hundred undefeated victories for Chu including one against Ouki’s peer, Kanmei’s weight was among the most legit weight we’ve seen in the manga. And Moubu beat that guy anyway. Lol

I think 1v1 Moubu and Kanmei high diff Ouki.

I want to say Shukai Houken was Houken at his pinnacle but there’s that ugly loss to Shin hanging over his head lol. I’d say it’s up in the air but frankly I’d favor Kanmei and Moubu above him. I don’t think Shin was the only person in China who could’ve killed Houken.
 
Yep. You're right. But Houken grew in strength since Bayou and then the question remains how does Ouki fair against Kanmei and Moubu. I think Ouki's weight is way superior to theirs and I also think he's way more skilled as a warrior than Moubu and Kanmei.
I would give Moubu/Kanmei the edge over Ouki purely in a duel but this manga hasn't yet introduced a character who would need less than extreme diff to beat Ouki. His portrayal there is absolutely nuts.
 
Hmmm idk, I’m not going to run through Kanmei again but the dude had scored over a hundred undefeated victories for Chu including one against Ouki’s peer, Kanmei’s weight was among the most legit weight we’ve seen in the manga. And Moubu beat that guy anyway. Lol

I think 1v1 Moubu and Kanmei high diff Ouki.

I want to say Shukai Houken was Houken at his pinnacle but there’s that ugly loss to Shin hanging over his head lol. I’d say it’s up in the air but frankly I’d favor Kanmei and Moubu above him. I don’t think Shin was the only person in China who could’ve killed Houken.
I think weight will be used to keep Ouki's PL relevant even at EOS. I don't think even Qin 6 Shin will be superior to Ouki until directly stated. I think Shin vs Renpa will serve for that. Renpa getting back his fire for Shin to slay him at around Prime strength.
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So CA Shin can win an exchange and give him a new facial, but Tou gets completely wrecked?
He doesn't get low diffed. I don't believe that but martially I have Tou at Duke Hyou level. Enough to give Ouki a run for his money but clearly below Houken.
 

Elder Lee Hung

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Man'U would lose to Earl Shi.
Man'U>Earl Shi>Moubu>Houken>>>Kaishibou ~Renpa>=Rinko
Yes yes feel the Weight of prime Earl Shi of Wei flowing through you


I think weight will be used to keep Ouki's PL relevant even at EOS. I don't think even Qin 6 Shin will be superior to Ouki until directly stated. I think Shin vs Renpa will serve for that. Renpa getting back his fire for Shin to slay him at around Prime strength.
Ouki is like the Shanks of Kingdom, if Shanks were actually written well and wasn’t dogshit. Ouki will always be near the top strengthwise, like you said even at EOS he’ll be relevant. I think as we learn more about Qi we’ll learn more about Ouki too since those are probably his forefathers lol.
 
Also this may sound like ridiculous cope but Houken is built different when not up against Ouki cum. The man was a cold blooded monster against Gekishin and Duke Hyou.

In Shukai he already lost his mind before entering the battlefield being in constant pain due to Ouki complex.

He might have even been weakened because of his mental state lol. Conflicted argument is back.
 
He doesn't get low diffed. I don't believe that but martially I have Tou at Duke Hyou level. Enough to give Ouki a run for his money but clearly below Houken.
Tou is not drastically below Ouki/Renpa, and I agree with the stats in this regard.

If Renpa can kill Houken, Tou at least has some shot, especially with Ouki weight behind him. High diff at the least.

Shin isn’t the only person with Ouki cum.
 

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Houken owns your fav unless your fav is fucking Ouki or Godpa lol.

Don't think Shin using Joyboy cum to win that bullshit fight means any fighter with weight beats him.

Houken slays Yoku's victim and Tanwa 2v1
Yes to beat Houken you have to have insane martial prowess (97 minimum) + insane weight

Nothing less is working
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Damn, the downplay lmfao

Who you think wins between Rinko and Shoumou?
Rinko is too skilled for Shoumou
 
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