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[Bullet]

When I first read it only "the likes of Kanmei" clicked and I assumed they meant Chu generals on similar stature to Kanmei
Reading coalition, it was made clear that Kanemi never lost in his life
It's been ten years since he met an opponent that made him take up the mace

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He never met a worthy opponent before Moubu

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He never suffered a single loss in his career

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And even as a deputy, when met with the physically strongest Qin6, all it took was a single swipe to send him packing

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Now if Hara's intent was to say they beat Kanmei and chased him down slaughtering his army, then Hara is a fucking liar isn't he lol
This doesn't make me happy the same way Renpa getting repelled by this nobody after all the insane hype he threw his way doesn't

If we see Gen U handing Kanmei L's im done lol
You can always justify it by saying it wasn't the narrator and Kanmei could have lied but it does cheapen the hype of the best battle in this manga.

 

[SakazOuki]

Demon Hakuki

@SakazOuki @Blackbeard @Elder Lee Hung

There's an explanation to this btw

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[Elder Lee Hung]

So this chapter is basically confirmation that Hara can just spawn overpowered GGs in Yan/Qi/Chu whenever he wants to. We can assume we’ve seen the best that Zhao and Wei have but these other three states are still largely a mystery

 

[God Buggy]

So this chapter is basically confirmation that Hara can just spawn overpowered GGs in Yan/Qi/Chu whenever he wants to. We can assume we’ve seen the best that Zhao and Wei have but these other three states are still largely a mystery

We're gonna be in for a ride with Chu lmao

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

We're gonna be in for a ride with Chu lmao

“General Fuu Kyou Ma Ma who repelled Hakuki but didn’t follow orders so they stripped him of his rank but now he is needed to defend from Qin once again”

 

[Bullet]

Give a couple dudes to Wei for now
Chu is busted
Qi and Yan have been out of focus and can easily justify a bunch of OP generals too despite whatever damage Ordo has done to their reputation.

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You know what's sad? I still find it hard to elevate Rakua and Haku in my tier list
I'm not convinced Haku can beat someone like Gyou'Un yet.

 

[Xione]

When I first read it only "the likes of Kanmei" clicked and I assumed they meant Chu generals on similar stature to Kanmei
Reading coalition, it was made clear that Kanemi never lost in his life
It's been ten years since he met an opponent that made him take up the mace

Spoiler

He never met a worthy opponent before Moubu

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He never suffered a single loss in his career

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And even as a deputy, when met with the physically strongest Qin6, all it took was a single swipe to send him packing

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Now if Hara's intent was to say they beat Kanmei and chased him down slaughtering his army, then Hara is a fucking liar isn't he lol
This doesn't make me happy the same way Renpa getting repelled by this nobody after all the insane hype he threw his way doesn't

- It's Kanmei AND others of his ilk. Not just those like Kanmei. This not only devalue's Kanmei's status as being some sort of a special general in Chu, but elevates the potential of future beasts from Chu. Kanmei was among the ones that were repelled, but there were others. Only thing I can say to Kanmei fans is to hope that it was Juuko'ou or Sentou'un who repelled hi... let me find out Gen'U is the Kanmei Repeller, it's gg.

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- The character statement is about as valid as the Qin fodders who thought Qin never faced Chu in the past 20 years. And then through Kanmei we find out he did. Similarly, Chu mfs told us Kanmei never lost, through Juuko'ou we found out he did get repelled.

- Who he's faced martially and who he thinks is weaker than him, doesn't really matter much when it comes to getting repelled. Gaimou views himself superior to Ouki/Renpa, and the latter view themselves superior to him with a gap.

- The Oukutsu fight is still under investigation until Hara actually shows Oukutsu's prowess and the whole scenario around the fight.

- That doesn't mean Hara is a liar, that just means the characters we knew from Chu that gave the info regarding Kanmei don't know the whole story. Character statements are as reliable as the information available to them. Hence "Moubu = Jiaga" is invalid since Sou'ou doesn't know Moubu's true prowess. Riboku's "Moubu army = Zenou clan" statement is invalid since the only time he's seen them fight is an injured Moubu with a battered army chasing down the coalition 8+ years ago. Hell Hara literally did it with Gekishin, had Karyo Ten stated Gekishin is the savior of Yan like Gakuki. Then the narrator proceeded to say Gakuki singlehandedly saved Yan...We then also have Gaimou who to himself thought Renpa and Ouki was scared to fight him, in the same arc we found out Ouki and Renpa just thought the dude wasn't worth fighting. Hence I've stated numerous times to not equate character statements as Mangaka's opinion.

And also like I said, it also depends on whether getting repelled is considered an L. Even people in Kingdom have different variations of losses, some say Ouki lost to Houken. Others say Houken couldn't beat Ouki.

 

[Bullet]

We need a what if thread for Rakua and Haku
What if Han wasn't weak and they continued to roam the battlefields? How good would they be?

 

[God Buggy]

We need a what if thread for Rakua and Haku
What if Han wasn't weak and they continued to roam the battlefields? How good would they be?

Tou is gonna make short work of Raku

 

[Xione]

Tou is gonna make short work of Raku

The repeller of Gokei and Renpa, low-diff'd by Tou.

Gokei and Renpa + HKs getting hypetooled for Tou.

Top 1 in China.

 

[SakazOuki]

Riboku's "Moubu army = Zenou clan" statement is invalid since the only time he's seen them fight is an injured Moubu with a battered army chasing down the coalition 8+ years ago

This one is pretty valid, Moubu fought Zhao at Bayou, Riboku was also witness to Moubu's charge on the Kanmei army
But yeah if Man'U and co really faced Kanmei, then he wasn't lying about Kanmei being individually stronger than him. In that scenario Kanmei > Man'U individually, he only lost because they ganged up on him, if they actually fought that is

 

[Xione]

This one is pretty valid, Moubu fought Zhao at Bayou, Riboku was also witness to Moubu's charge on the Kanmei army
But yeah if Man'U and co really faced Kanmei, then he wasn't lying about Kanmei being individually stronger than him. In that scenario Kanmei > Man'U individually, he only lost because they ganged up on him, if they actually fought that is

- A banged up Moubu with a few good men vs a healthy Zenou clan would then be the comparison if we're using Bayou. Unless Riboku had x-ray vision he couldn't have seen the charge on Kanmei:

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- Man'U never faced Kanmei as already clarified after Man'U made that statement, and there's no known history of the others teaming up against the Chu either. Rather they were active on their own and giving Chu the work.

- Idk why we're using a statement where Man'U is clearly trolling to agitate Moubu more to make him fight harder, especially when the statement is made invalid right after it's made. This is like the Kizaru-Beckman scenario all over.


- Why would Juuko'ou lie about repelling Kanmei? The entire point of that statement is to tell us how powerful dudes like the Juuko gang is compared to the Chu individuals we already know.

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

Fast translation:
https://fast-translation-kingdom.blogspot.com/2024/12/kingdom-822-doomstar-of-wei-and-zhao.html?m=1

 

[SakazOuki]

- A banged up Moubu with a few good men vs a healthy Zenou clan would then be the comparison if we're using Bayou. Unless Riboku had x-ray vision he couldn't have seen the charge on Kanmei:

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- Man'U never faced Kanmei as already clarified after Man'U made that statement, and there's no known history of the others teaming up against the Chu either. Rather they were active on their own and giving Chu the work.

- Idk why we're using a statement where Man'U is clearly trolling to agitate Moubu more to make him fight harder, especially when the statement is made invalid right after it's made. This is like the Kizaru-Beckman scenario all over.


- Why would Juuko'ou lie about repelling Kanmei? The entire point of that statement is to tell us how powerful dudes like the Juuko gang is compared to the Chu individuals we already know.

There’s a lot of contradictions then
Man’U troops said he never clashed with Kanmei
Juuko’ou said the Juuko army (including Man’U) clashed with the likes of Kanmei

Man’U said he’s weaker than Kanmei
Man’U also said Moubu was weaker than Kanmei and only defeated him due to his burden
Kanmei said he never clashed with anyone worthy
Deputy Kanmei one shot Oukutsu

So yeah either Juukoou (Hara) has no idea what he’s talking about or we simply need raws to check the translation

 

[SakazOuki]

Can’t believe this is an actual panel 💀
Anything to sell volumes I guess

 

[TheKnightOfTheSea]

As i said Gokei isn't at any Qin Six or Zhao Three level, him can be very close.

By that logic Renpa is far below Qin 6 and Zhao 3 because he got repelled even with the Heavenly Kings

 

[Xione]

Oh yessir, HSU secured Akakin's horse supplier. HSU horse drifting on the way.

There’s a lot of contradictions then
Man’U troops said he never clashed with Kanmei
Juuko’ou said the Juuko army (including Man’U) clashed with the likes of Kanmei

Man’U said he’s weaker than Kanmei
Man’U also said Moubu was weaker than Kanmei and only defeated him due to his burden
Kanmei said he never clashed with anyone worthy
Deputy Kanmei one shot Oukutsu

So yeah either Juukoou (Hara) has no idea what he’s talking about or we simply need raws to check the translation

Welll...When he says "the Juuko army that stands guards today", he's using that as an umbrella term for them. That doesn't mean every single member of them faced Kanmei. Some faced Kanmei and others faced people like Kanmei, with Man'U being the one who didn't face Kanmei. So it leaves the other 3.

- Man'U was trolling to make him angrier and Moubu wasn't fully focused on the fight initially, which Man'u even points out.
- Him saying that about Moubu is also just him trolling, since he himself wants Moubu to show him how strong he truly is... as he doesn't know Moubu's strength.
- That'd just mean that whichever one of the generals Kanmei got repelled by it wasn't due to martial reasons related to him.
- The details surrounding the fight are unknown for a reason. Unlike Kyou vs Houken, where Hara showed what led to the fight and even the aftermath.

I'm personally not seeing any contradiction. Outside of the "Kanmei hasn't lost a battle", which would just be explained by either that character not knowing about his L or the repelling isn't counted as a Loss.

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NEW AGENDA: If Tou wins, nobody from the Qin 6 will be put above others in the Qin 6 who have S-rank experience...And Gakuki is solidified Top 1 in history... If he loses... Kyou/Ousen/Kanki/Moubu top 4 Qin6. Gg

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Fates of Ousen/Moubu/Kyou/Kanki's rankings rest upon Raku'ans shoulders. Will this burden of fates give him more weight?!

 

[Xlaw]

Well that was 20 years ago so no big deal...but still it's a cheap hype.
Also quality of the writting is so dull..
It is so easy for enemy to corner Shin in every battle? What's Ten was doing ?

 

[LogicoftheVI]

I would definitely wait for a better translation of this chapter before jumping to conclusions.