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Who said they expected him to match a 6gg on equal terms?
Make up another random argument and act like you said something.
He had every advantage known to man and still couldn't do shit.
most HK's are a step away from that level and with one of these advantages can have an equal chance of winning let alone all 3.
Give Kyou En multiple strong generals and 4 times the numbers and let's see what Tou can do.
Make up another random argument and act like you said something.
He had every advantage known to man and still couldn't do shit.
most HK's are a step away from that level and with one of these advantages can have an equal chance of winning let alone all 3.
Give Kyou En multiple strong generals and 4 times the numbers and let's see what Tou can do.
Sure, it's a pattern, but it's not a rule.
Shunsuijuu was stated to be Riboku's right hand man and he was put as CiC by Riboku in multiple battles - Ryouyou, siege of Atsuyo, battle agaist Mouten etc. Bananji is good, but he was never given the same level of responsibility.
Shouheikun's top vassal is also Kaioku, not any of his martial commanders like Hyou Shiga. So it's clear there are some exceptions to this rule.
Yotanwa not only barely survived this battle, but she suffered huge casualties. So this whole arguement that he 'couldn't do shit' is ridiculus. He did exceptionally well with his plan to use the tunels to destroy suplies and he clearly surprised her with his encirclement.
But his feats go way beyond that.
>In Hango he was stalling Bajio + Shunmen + Tajifu.
>In the current arc he is doing work against Yotanwa army after Yotanwa and Danto were taken down by the arrows. Again, Yotanwa army still has multiple powerful warriors.
>In Gian Arc he came up with the plan to poison the well in Sekirei which allowed Zhao to regain control of the region - he was basically the 2nd most impressive Zhao commander in this arc only after Riboku.
Renpa and his 4 Heavenly Kings together couldn't even defeat two stars of Han as per canon, so this is ridiculus wank.
Full Renpa Army was also stated to be inferior to full Ouki Army, so HK's have no potrayal to back this up.
Shunsuijuu was stated to be Riboku's right hand man and he was put as CiC by Riboku in multiple battles - Ryouyou, siege of Atsuyo, battle agaist Mouten etc. Bananji is good, but he was never given the same level of responsibility.
Shouheikun's top vassal is also Kaioku, not any of his martial commanders like Hyou Shiga. So it's clear there are some exceptions to this rule.
Yotanwa not only barely survived this battle, but she suffered huge casualties. So this whole arguement that he 'couldn't do shit' is ridiculus. He did exceptionally well with his plan to use the tunels to destroy suplies and he clearly surprised her with his encirclement.
But his feats go way beyond that.
>In Hango he was stalling Bajio + Shunmen + Tajifu.
>In the current arc he is doing work against Yotanwa army after Yotanwa and Danto were taken down by the arrows. Again, Yotanwa army still has multiple powerful warriors.
>In Gian Arc he came up with the plan to poison the well in Sekirei which allowed Zhao to regain control of the region - he was basically the 2nd most impressive Zhao commander in this arc only after Riboku.
Renpa and his 4 Heavenly Kings together couldn't even defeat two stars of Han as per canon, so this is ridiculus wank.
Full Renpa Army was also stated to be inferior to full Ouki Army, so HK's have no potrayal to back this up.
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It's the opposite. In Sanyou Kyouen was dealt pretty handidly by Ousen and at the end of the battle even Renpa believed Kyouen is incapable of dealing with Ousen Army on his own.
As for any battles Kyouen had in the past against the goats, there's no proof they were on equal ground. I suspect they were a bit similar to what we've seen with SSJ vs Yotanwa where one side has some sort of advatange.
Shields carried by Ousen's guards are enough to stop Kyouen's arrows.
As for any battles Kyouen had in the past against the goats, there's no proof they were on equal ground. I suspect they were a bit similar to what we've seen with SSJ vs Yotanwa where one side has some sort of advatange.
Shields carried by Ousen's guards are enough to stop Kyouen's arrows.
I don't think it's that clear-cut.
Kai Shi Bou is martial orientated and the leader of the 4HK, but Rin Ko was canonically the superior fighter, and Kyou En the superior general by resume.
I also think you'll find there's a lot of people out there that think Ryuu Koku is the superior general to ROM. I'm not one of them, but I think there's a significant number of them out there.
CGR was also never implied to be inferior to Gyou'un either, and it's reasonable to consider the scale and circumstances of Shukai didn't actually lend to him showing off his strengths.
Ma Ron was not the #2 behind Rai Do, that was Koku'Ou.
Kai Shi Bou is martial orientated and the leader of the 4HK, but Rin Ko was canonically the superior fighter, and Kyou En the superior general by resume.
I also think you'll find there's a lot of people out there that think Ryuu Koku is the superior general to ROM. I'm not one of them, but I think there's a significant number of them out there.
CGR was also never implied to be inferior to Gyou'un either, and it's reasonable to consider the scale and circumstances of Shukai didn't actually lend to him showing off his strengths.
Ma Ron was not the #2 behind Rai Do, that was Koku'Ou.
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I don’t remember this
You’re maybe right but I didn’t remember that at all
and frankly Maron impressed me more than Koku Ou, he was quite more useful than her in my book iirc
Didn’t Gyou Un the explicit right hand while CGR was « only » the left hand of RSJ ?
And narrative wise Gyou Un was a more important player than CGR
Rokuomi is clearly and without discussion the first general under Tou
Narratively, importance wise etc etc
Rokuomi is THE man under Tou
I don’t remember this
You’re maybe right but I didn’t remember that at all
and frankly Maron impressed me more than Koku Ou, he was quite more useful than her in my book iirc
Didn’t Gyou Un the explicit right hand while CGR was « only » the left hand of RSJ ?
And narrative wise Gyou Un was a more important player than CGR
Rokuomi is clearly and without discussion the first general under Tou
Narratively, importance wise etc etc
Rokuomi is THE man under Tou
Shunsuijuu being stated to be the right hand man of Riboku puts him above Bananji in hierarchy (every GG only has one right-hand man). Whether or not that makes him superior commander to Bananji is not definitive, but it's at least an arguement to support it.
During the conquest of Han it was stated Ouki Army was the strongest in the old era.
During the conquest of Han it was stated Ouki Army was the strongest in the old era.
Mou Ten referred to SSJ as RBK's RHM during the Gi'an arc. We learned during Hango, BNJ was entrusted with Bu'an in RBK's absence. SSJ was in command during Shintei.
Text boxes have only ever identified him as a deputy alongside BNJ, iirc. That's surely more authoritative.
I don't think who takes lead is necessarily indicative of seniority. Ou Ki served as deputy to Kyou at Bayou. Gen Pou took control from Kai Shi Bou, his leader, at Sanyou. CGR was the brains of the Zhao Left Wing at Shukai.
SSJ made more than a few good decisions and made significant contributions, but he was in the passenger seat the moment Rozo showed up and took command.
I asked if you were suggesting SSJ stood on equal terms with YTW at Ryouyou, your answer would appear to be yes, incorrectly.
You should revisit Hango.
Literally zero context btw.
Bruh, what is up with you?
You are in dire need of revisiting Sanyou.
Text boxes have only ever identified him as a deputy alongside BNJ, iirc. That's surely more authoritative.
I don't think who takes lead is necessarily indicative of seniority. Ou Ki served as deputy to Kyou at Bayou. Gen Pou took control from Kai Shi Bou, his leader, at Sanyou. CGR was the brains of the Zhao Left Wing at Shukai.
SSJ made more than a few good decisions and made significant contributions, but he was in the passenger seat the moment Rozo showed up and took command.
I asked if you were suggesting SSJ stood on equal terms with YTW at Ryouyou, your answer would appear to be yes, incorrectly.
You should revisit Hango.
Literally zero context btw.
Bruh, what is up with you?
You are in dire need of revisiting Sanyou.
Shunsuijuu being stated to be the right hand man of Riboku puts him above Bananji in hierarchy (every GG only has one right-hand man). Whether or not that makes him superior commander to Bananji is not definitive, but it's at least an arguement to support it.
During the conquest of Han it was stated Ouki Army was the strongest in the old era.
During the conquest of Han it was stated Ouki Army was the strongest in the old era.
‘can’t find the chap where the quote is made