Controversial General Political Discussion

[Okamakama]

What was it like being a girl for 8 years?

Did you come to any profound realization on the different ways men and women are treated in society?

Absolutely. People are kinder to you, are more receptive to helping you and even smile at you in public (women and men do this).

Society is harsher to men no doubt. They don't care as much if they're suffering. I was afforded protections and sympathy when I was a woman.

As for what it was like... well, it's a transwomans experience, but I got good enough at passing that nobody knew, so, well, I guess it was nice but the physical weakness from estrogen, the mood swings and the cattiness of female only groups is... hard to navigate. So much social manipulation going on my guy. I'm eating dinner and all the ladies were going pseudo game of thrones on each other.

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No. I ask him questions, did you read the post ?

You asked me questions in a condescending manner so much that I shared a deeply traumatic story with you to help you understand my perspective.

You denied I was even trans -- at least, you questioned it, something you would never do to your beloved current LGBT folk.

You're a cretin who, as Gaimon said, clearly demonstrates narcissistic tendencies and a desire for attention and praise. You won't get any.

Seriously dude. The way you treat people is despicable. Even those you try to defend would be offended since its ultimately always about you, you, YOU.

 

[Logiko]

do you think our world is simple or complicated??

Both.

Structure of power are very simple to understand. For example understanding that the israelo palestinian conflict is not an overcomplicated war with very sensitive subjects to talk about and very intricated and subtle details... but a straight up COLONIZATION, a one sided war coupled with a genocide over a population that try to resist how they can in an open air prison and that for 1 horrible war crime, Israel is actually commiting hundreds of them..

Most Polical conflicts are very simple to understand when we understand the way the political spectrum evolves and the concept of the overton window.

Etc.

Other things like sciences, art, crafts, some domain of knowledge are indeed more complicated. But even in those case there are always way to simplify thing to avoid falling into the trap over overcomplication.

Society is harsher to men no doubt

You denied I was even trans

No I didn't. Stop lying. I legitimataly questionned you looking at the way you were talking about trans issues in a bigoted way.
SOmeone that say "I was tortured because of your toxic ideology" this is not someone that screams "I was trans" I have my view on your detransition as I think you went through a deeply toxic process but I don't deny your history, so stop lying.

clearly demonstrates narcissistic tendencies and a desire for attention and praise.

Ok

The way you treat people is despicable.

Stop inversing the accusation here. I'm not the one who deny the identity of other and I'm not the one with bigoted transphobic views.

So clear your front porch first mate.

Even those you try to defend would be offended since its ultimately always about you, you, YOU.

Sure.

 

[Okamakama]

Both.

Structure of power are very simple to understand. For example understanding that the israelo palestinian conflict is not an overcomplicated war with very sensitive subjects to talk about and very intricated and subtle details... but a straight up COLONIZATION, a one sided war coupled with a genocide over a population that try to resist how they can in an open air prison and that for 1 horrible war crime, Israel is actually commiting hundreds of them..

Most Polical conflicts are very simple to understand when we understand the way the political spectrum evolves and the concept of the overton window.

Etc.

Other things like sciences, art, crafts, some domain of knowledge are indeed more complicated. But even in those case there are always way to simplify thing to avoid falling into the trap over overcomplication.







No I didn't. Stop lying. I legitimataly questionned you looking at the way you were talking about trans issues in a bigoted way.
SOmeone that say "I was tortured because of your toxic ideology" this is not someone that screams "I was trans" I have my view on your detransition as I think you went through a deeply toxic process but I don't deny your history, so stop lying.


Ok



Stop inversing the accusation here. I'm not the one who deny the identity of other and I'm not the one with bigoted transphobic views.

So clear your front porch first mate.



Sure.

The unfortunate truth is I've gone through ot all and experienced more social rejection, cruelty and denial of opportunity as a man than I did as a woman. I got paid more than my male coworkers.

There is a reason more men kill themselves. They're lovely and mistreated in this society.

I've never once come out swinging at someone personally before they fired the first shot. I respond with my honest opinions on a topic, not a person, and they won't often agree, but you then come in and try to silence dissent with labels amd accusations.

I was trans. I still am, in a sense. I always will be. That's the consequences.
Can't wait for part two where you tell women how it is to be women, and Muslims how it is to be Muslim.

 

[Logiko]

The unfortunate truth is I've gone through ot all and experienced more social rejection, cruelty and denial of opportunity as a man than I did as a woman. I got paid more than my male coworkers.

I'm sorry to tell you this, but this was an lucky exception.

There is a reason more men kill themselves.

Yup, its called patriarchy.

but you then come in and try to silence dissent with labels amd accusations.

Dude. Do you really expect me to stay silent when you say transphobic things or that enby don't exist ????

I was trans. I still am, in a sense. I always will be. That's the consequences.
Can't wait for part two where you tell women how it is to be women, and Muslims how it is to be Muslim.

Did I told you how to act ? no. So step down from your horse mate and be respectfull of others. If you are annoyed by me labbeling you stop being a bigot and stop denying the identity of others.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

just say you don't understand realism rather than trying to sound smart with wordplay lol

Pessimism=Realism amirite as Lama?

 

[Toby D. Dog]

Morj is pro Palestine

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Morj is pro Palestine

I’m glad

a lot of Indians will side with Israel simply out of hate for Muslims

 

[Toby D. Dog]

I’m glad

a lot of Indians will side with Israel simply out of hate for Muslims

He’s American…

 

[Mathias]

You said that it was won like any other frontier, and despite the fact that i don't think this true, i told you how i feel about it.

Why don't you think this is true though ? Looks like this long Alsace-Lorraine conflict between France and Germany to me

 

[Okamakama]

I'm sorry to tell you this, but this was an lucky exception.


Yup, its called patriarchy.



Dude. Do you really expect me to stay silent when you say transphobic things or that enby don't exist ????



Did I told you how to act ? no. So step down from your horse mate and be respectfull of others. If you are annoyed by me labbeling you stop being a bigot and stop denying the identity of others.

This will likely be the last time I respond to you on this issue. Not only am I ill recently (which has resulted in lessened patience), but I also am easily baited on this topic.

First of all. I am not the exception. If you look into the gender wage gap theory, you'll see that it does not account for hours worked and when they worked (so unsocial hours, so to speak). Furthermore, women are more likely to be paid more than their male counterpart immediately out of college for the same job with same qualifications due to affirmative actions.

As for your comment on patriarchy - no. Men kill themselves more because they are not afforded any of the social protections that women are. When looking at this sociologically, a term you enjoy, you'd likely understand the concept of "inherent worth". Women are protected and cared for more due to their ability to produce offspring and the fact that, over the course of our species, women have been protected. This has impacted us on a deep biological level.

Throw into that the feminist movement which demonises anything atypically masculine (unless it is done by women, see: girlboss movement) and considers it abusive, it is no wonder that men's self-esteem is at it's lowest in centuries. Then, let's add more onto it: The lack of charities to help mens mental health, the stigmatisation - by women - of male weakness meaning they cannot rely on their spouse or female family members for support in times of extreme duress (see the concept of "giving me the ick."). Men are held to expectations these days to be strong, stoic and responsible as they always have been, but without the respect that was afforded to them in the past. This has made men miserable as it's a zero-sum game for them.

The fact you can call this "patriarchy" is ridiculous. We live in a society where, despite the common narrative, your average heterosexual white man sits at the bottom of the social hierarchy due to intersectionality bleeding into every facet of society.

As for your comments regarding "expecting you to stay quiet." No. I don't. But at the same time, you say some of the most batshit insane stuff and people only respond to it because YOU attack them with it. I have my opinions that were formed by having a transgender identity for 8 years. For fully embracing the female role for 8 years. For fitting into society and being happy as one for 8 years. I know this stuff, and I know that's so hard for an armchair psychologist like you to understand.

You have accused me of undergoing a toxic process (likely detransition) which is demonising my decisions - so yes, you covertly do tell people how to act. I have NEVER started an argument with someone directly, nor targeted them directly without them coming for me first (see Kiku originally, who I did not argue with until she came in and started arguing with my opinions on TG). I have said my opinions and then people come in and fight me over them. I don't deny people their personal identity. I just deny that I think it exists. Within my mind, I am free to think what I do. But I am not encroaching on anybody's rights by doing this -- you are, by purposefully attacking people relentlessly when they say something you disagree with.

Fucking hell bro. I haven't even blocked Toby, and that guy and I are like water and oil, but I am one Logiko rant from just deleting you from feed, so to speak, because I cannot be bothered anymore. Get over yourself.

 

[Mathias]

most likely the end of Palestine??

war is war regardless

What do you mean sir ? I couldn't fully grasp your opinion.

If you mean "west bank being part of Israel means the end of Palestine" then kinda it does yes.

But they won the war, and to be honest they even backed off from the Sinai peninsula which they had no reason to.


Anyway, current problem is how the extremes have risen from both sides. Israel getting Netanyahu in power doesn't help at all.

 

[Gaimon The Pirate]

Why don't you think this is true though ? Looks like this long Alsace-Lorraine conflict between France and Germany to me

Because France and Germany have always been structured nations with comparable economies, which is not the case in Israel-Palestine.
One is supported from the whole west with a technological army second only to the US, the other is an enclosed state were the only foreign technology must come through contraband and doesn't even control water and electricity.

 

[Fn Lucci]

Joe Biden is a fraud

2015: "man these Republicans are sounding pretty good except for Trump. Who even let that goof on stage?"

2019: "man these Democrats are sounding good when they don't just ride coattails of the former presidents."

2023: "oh awesome Battle of the Goofs Part 2, can't"

This will likely be the last time I respond to you on this issue. Not only am I ill recently (which has resulted in lessened patience), but I also am easily baited on this topic.

First of all. I am not the exception. If you look into the gender wage gap theory, you'll see that it does not account for hours worked and when they worked (so unsocial hours, so to speak). Furthermore, women are more likely to be paid more than their male counterpart immediately out of college for the same job with same qualifications due to affirmative actions.

As for your comment on patriarchy - no. Men kill themselves more because they are not afforded any of the social protections that women are. When looking at this sociologically, a term you enjoy, you'd likely understand the concept of "inherent worth". Women are protected and cared for more due to their ability to produce offspring and the fact that, over the course of our species, women have been protected. This has impacted us on a deep biological level.

Throw into that the feminist movement which demonises anything atypically masculine (unless it is done by women, see: girlboss movement) and considers it abusive, it is no wonder that men's self-esteem is at it's lowest in centuries. Then, let's add more onto it: The lack of charities to help mens mental health, the stigmatisation - by women - of male weakness meaning they cannot rely on their spouse or female family members for support in times of extreme duress (see the concept of "giving me the ick."). Men are held to expectations these days to be strong, stoic and responsible as they always have been, but without the respect that was afforded to them in the past. This has made men miserable as it's a zero-sum game for them.

The fact you can call this "patriarchy" is ridiculous. We live in a society where, despite the common narrative, your average heterosexual white man sits at the bottom of the social hierarchy due to intersectionality bleeding into every facet of society.

As for your comments regarding "expecting you to stay quiet." No. I don't. But at the same time, you say some of the most batshit insane stuff and people only respond to it because YOU attack them with it. I have my opinions that were formed by having a transgender identity for 8 years. For fully embracing the female role for 8 years. For fitting into society and being happy as one for 8 years. I know this stuff, and I know that's so hard for an armchair psychologist like you to understand.

You have accused me of undergoing a toxic process (likely detransition) which is demonising my decisions - so yes, you covertly do tell people how to act. I have NEVER started an argument with someone directly, nor targeted them directly without them coming for me first (see Kiku originally, who I did not argue with until she came in and started arguing with my opinions on TG). I have said my opinions and then people come in and fight me over them. I don't deny people their personal identity. I just deny that I think it exists. Within my mind, I am free to think what I do. But I am not encroaching on anybody's rights by doing this -- you are, by purposefully attacking people relentlessly when they say something you disagree with.

Fucking hell bro. I haven't even blocked Toby, and that guy and I are like water and oil, but I am one Logiko rant from just deleting you from feed, so to speak, because I cannot be bothered anymore. Get over yourself.

Got you out of that weird phase where everything you say is a scripture quote, so thank them for that I guess.

 

[Mathias]

Because France and Germany have always been structured nations with comparable economies, which is not the case in Israel-Palestine.
One is supported from the whole west with a technological army second only to the US, the other is an enclosed state were the only foreign technology must come through contraband and doesn't even control water and electricity.

Israel didn't fight the Six-Day War against Palestine only.

 

[Gaimon The Pirate]

Israel didn't fight the Six-Day War against Palestine only.

Yeah but we are not talking about the Six day war, which israel low diffed anyway.
We are talking about palestine today.

 

[Fn Lucci]

Yeah but we are not talking about the Six day war, which israel low diffed anyway.
We are talking about palestine today.

I suppose he was. And I guess you can say "Israel murdered and displaced its way to the West Bank fair and square" if you do want a yes, but that sounds like missing a forest to the trees.

 

[Mathias]

Yeah but we are not talking about the Six day war, which israel low diffed anyway.
We are talking about palestine today.

People are talking about the Gaza Strip, I was talking about the West Bank as mentioned multiple times.

 

[Fn Lucci]

People are talking about the Gaza Strip, I was talking about the West Bank as mentioned multiple times.

Again I have to emphasize that a yes, at best, requires that you have to defend a fucking lie about being struck first and stuff like that

 

[NAMELESS]

This will likely be the last time I respond to you on this issue. Not only am I ill recently (which has resulted in lessened patience), but I also am easily baited on this topic.

First of all. I am not the exception. If you look into the gender wage gap theory, you'll see that it does not account for hours worked and when they worked (so unsocial hours, so to speak). Furthermore, women are more likely to be paid more than their male counterpart immediately out of college for the same job with same qualifications due to affirmative actions.

As for your comment on patriarchy - no. Men kill themselves more because they are not afforded any of the social protections that women are. When looking at this sociologically, a term you enjoy, you'd likely understand the concept of "inherent worth". Women are protected and cared for more due to their ability to produce offspring and the fact that, over the course of our species, women have been protected. This has impacted us on a deep biological level.

Throw into that the feminist movement which demonises anything atypically masculine (unless it is done by women, see: girlboss movement) and considers it abusive, it is no wonder that men's self-esteem is at it's lowest in centuries. Then, let's add more onto it: The lack of charities to help mens mental health, the stigmatisation - by women - of male weakness meaning they cannot rely on their spouse or female family members for support in times of extreme duress (see the concept of "giving me the ick."). Men are held to expectations these days to be strong, stoic and responsible as they always have been, but without the respect that was afforded to them in the past. This has made men miserable as it's a zero-sum game for them.

The fact you can call this "patriarchy" is ridiculous. We live in a society where, despite the common narrative, your average heterosexual white man sits at the bottom of the social hierarchy due to intersectionality bleeding into every facet of society.

As for your comments regarding "expecting you to stay quiet." No. I don't. But at the same time, you say some of the most batshit insane stuff and people only respond to it because YOU attack them with it. I have my opinions that were formed by having a transgender identity for 8 years. For fully embracing the female role for 8 years. For fitting into society and being happy as one for 8 years. I know this stuff, and I know that's so hard for an armchair psychologist like you to understand.

You have accused me of undergoing a toxic process (likely detransition) which is demonising my decisions - so yes, you covertly do tell people how to act. I have NEVER started an argument with someone directly, nor targeted them directly without them coming for me first (see Kiku originally, who I did not argue with until she came in and started arguing with my opinions on TG). I have said my opinions and then people come in and fight me over them. I don't deny people their personal identity. I just deny that I think it exists. Within my mind, I am free to think what I do. But I am not encroaching on anybody's rights by doing this -- you are, by purposefully attacking people relentlessly when they say something you disagree with.

Fucking hell bro. I haven't even blocked Toby, and that guy and I are like water and oil, but I am one Logiko rant from just deleting you from feed, so to speak, because I cannot be bothered anymore. Get over yourself.

Beautiful text,but i believe these words have fallen on deaf ears.

 

[Logiko]

First of all. I am not the exception. If you look into the gender wage gap theory, you'll see that it does not account for hours worked and when they worked (so unsocial hours, so to speak). Furthermore, women are more likely to be paid more than their male counterpart immediately out of college for the same job with same qualifications due to affirmative actions.

As for your comment on patriarchy - no. Men kill themselves more because they are not afforded any of the social protections that women are. When looking at this sociologically, a term you enjoy, you'd likely understand the concept of "inherent worth". Women are protected and cared for more due to their ability to produce offspring and the fact that, over the course of our species, women have been protected. This has impacted us on a deep biological level.

I won't have more discussion about the oppression of women with people who denies the patriarchy. At least for now, I'm also losing patience. If you don't want to listen to scientists who are actually making researches on the subject, then you re lost, but its not my problem.

Throw into that the feminist movement which demonises anything atypically masculine

This is strawman of the feminist movement. We don't demonises anything that is masculine. We demonize toxic behavior. If you think your behavior is being demonized, its time to change.

of male weakness meaning they cannot rely on their spouse or female family members for support in times of extreme duress

I don't know what women you frequent, but you really have a poor vision and bias vision of them. You are full of cliche

Men are held to expectations these days to be strong, stoic and responsible as they always have been, but without the respect that was afforded to them in the past. This has made men miserable as it's a zero-sum game for them.

Indeed, thanks patriarchy. bah oui mon gars, c'est exactement ça l'effet du patriarchat sur les hommes. Its well researched, mais je ne m'attends pas à ce que tu comprennes vu que tu ne daignes pas ecouter les scientifiques sur la question. (ca aura le meme effet que cette phrase)

The fact you can call this "patriarchy" is ridiculous. We live in a society where, despite the common narrative, your average heterosexual white man sits at the bottom of the social hierarchy due to intersectionality bleeding into every facet of society.

I won't event comment on that, that's pure ignorance and/or denial.

As for your comments regarding "expecting you to stay quiet." No. I don't. But at the same time, you say some of the most batshit insane stuff and people only respond to it because YOU attack them with it

No mate. You guys are always starting the fight. You guys are always the one starting saying hatefull and bigoted stuff. I only reply to you, don't invert the accusation here.

I have my opinions that were formed by having a transgender identity for 8 years. For fully embracing the female role for 8 years. For fitting into society and being happy as one for 8 years. I know this stuff, and I know that's so hard for an armchair psychologist like you to understand.

I do understand, and its cool that you were feeling accepted. What is less cool, is that because you forced yourself to detransition (and its cool, that was YOUR descision) you are now trying to promote that toxic idea on people.

Its no better that people trying to promote gay therapy for homosexuals, same bigoted BS.

which is demonising my decisions

Like I said, I don't care about your descision, its yours. What I care about is what you do after and what story you tell to trans people.

I don't deny people their personal identity. I just deny that I think it exists

That's the F. same if you don't keep your arguments for yourself.

Fucking hell bro. I haven't even blocked Toby, and that guy and I are like water and oil, but I am one Logiko rant from just deleting you from feed, so to speak, because I cannot be bothered anymore. Get over yourself.

Feel free to ignore me, maybe it will stop you from replying when I'm telling you to stop being a bigot.