Prison exist to punish
Wrong. Prison exist ONLY to isolate dangerous people from society.

Prison nowadays are foundamentaly non efficient because people like you think that we should just punish when the answer is not punishment its rehabilitation. (And isolation for lost cases).
This leads to people just being there for minor crimes being sometimes radicalized to do something much worse, because there are no efforts given of rehabilitation in most cases.

The same way, the ISOLATION of a person for years IS the sentence. Prison is ONLY the localization of the sentence. Which brings us to question like : "what about human rights ?" Its not because someone commited a crime that their rights are forfeit, so they must STILL be treated well.

So, again, you are showing your far right side. You still thinks in an archaeic way, like middle age people were people were not only put in prison, but also tortured.

Being isolated for year and sometimes decade is already a torture (trust me on that), but living that in small unsanitized overpopulated cells, with people who sometimes did something far worse than you, with labor and human condition close to 0 and a disdain from the public.. is ALSO a torture.

So be honest, what you want is not longer sentence, its torture.
 
You guys have no life lmao.
some autistic mothafucka broke the truce
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Wrong. Prison exist ONLY to isolate dangerous people from society.

Prison nowadays are foundamentaly non efficient because people like you think that we should just punish when the answer is not punishment its rehabilitation. (And isolation for lost cases).
This leads to people just being there for minor crimes being sometimes radicalized to do something much worse, because there are no efforts given of rehabilitation in most cases.

The same way, the ISOLATION of a person for years IS the sentence. Prison is ONLY the localization of the sentence. Which brings us to question like : "what about human rights ?" Its not because someone commited a crime that their rights are forfeit, so they must STILL be treated well.

So, again, you are showing your far right side. You still thinks in an archaeic way, like middle age people were people were not only put in prison, but also tortured.

Being isolated for year and sometimes decade is already a torture (trust me on that), but living that in small unsanitized overpopulated cells, with people who sometimes did something far worse than you, with labor and human condition close to 0 and a disdain from the public.. is ALSO a torture.

So be honest, what you want is not longer sentence, its torture.
its both punishment and isolation.My idea of a prison is a penal colony of sorts.I think prisoners should work for the state and not sit in cells sleeping all day.
 
I see you are a retard.If you like thugs,robbers,rapists,murderers and so on...invite a couple of them to your home.i think you need meet real people and get out of your fantasy world. Im going to listen to Toby and log off now.
So because you don't like them and they did something horrible, they should get two sentences instead of one thus completely negating basic human rights AND on top of that work free for the states and being slaved ?

You have a conception of human life that is quite peculiar (/horrible) but its cool you want non conscious blobs of skins to have the right to live and you are ready to take away women's right of consent and body for that, so I guess its okay.. (I'm gonna vomit, I'll be right back)

Merry christmas everybody, but not the naughty ones
 
I did. I literally shared more than 15 peer reviewed research papers

was talking the sources you used


they are long winded rants that pretty much have no objective information displayed


at least going by the one, I read



On the contrary. Your vision is EXACTLY supported by our current societies

name 1 mainstream source that supports my vision???


last im to check all of them are literal leftist propaganda mills




women are still GLOBALLY denied their right to speak about violence and abuse done to them.


look up the Duluth model


it's a practice favoring women's testimony in domestic violence cases



you are quite literally not going based on facts but rather ideological basis so like always


that there is no system oppression of domination and that there is no systemic racism.

this but unironically


there is zero laws that are made to negatively affect solely black people or women


there are laws made specifically to help these groups such as affrimtive action and other such things




such would not be the case carrot if the current status quo seeks to opress women


almost like carrot, biden is a liberal leftist just like you



almost as if the status quo is leftist



and right wing is the counter culture






carrot, you arent against the status quo\




you are the status quo, just a liberal kid preaching liberal bs hoping some cnnn anchor hires him to preach about leftist values on leftist tv run by the leftist quo that you carrot are apart of



ANd like you said, the average joe is not pushing trans inclusion, the reason ? Its NOT the HEGEMONIC vision in society.


cool


the average joe has no power


their view is not in line with the larger liberal leftist



the systematic powers arent really representative of the average joe



but rather more representative of liberals like you



. As I demonstrated, the majority of the complaint against men are dropped and women find NO reponse from the police or from the justice.


your demonstrations



mean jack shit


again because it's not in line with reality



nobody believed johnny dept against amber heard



at least with regards to mainstream media and leftists like you



so literally wtf you talking about beyond just making stuff up to support your deluional beliefs


THe difference is that Tejas and nameless (or you) are basing their "I'm am correct" on nothing but rumors, feelings, far right propaganda and intellectual lazyness.

and your different how??



you base your im right on far left propaganda and your own feelings



the leftist one, is therefore NON DOMINANT. We ALWAYS have to battle to be heard. In fact you can see an example of that right now on this forum. Those in power here, mods and staff, consider that my vision is delusional, I have to BATTLE everyday to make the staff recognize a highly problematic remark

so because some random forum with random people makes fun of you and disagrees with you



that therefore equates to your view not being suppported



i was talking about mainstream media and world governments not a unknown forum


random people gonna reject leftist more then the cnn of the world cause one is a leftsit source that agrees with your pol,tics and the other is a forum where anybody and anyone can post


if you wanna make a change here maybe invent some of your fellow liberals from twitter
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They are alive but they do not have any of the mental characteristics that one would associate with personhood.
so by your logic


people in a coma are not alive
 
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I’m against abortion and the death penalty.

I’m against abortion because I think it’s anti women. Western society wants women to think that an abortion is easier than pregnancy and raising a child. I know rape and incest need to be taken into account, but an abortion won’t heal a woman from such trauma. In fact it only adds to it. I think if a woman has an abortion, she should have counseling to help her emotionally. We need a society where women know that there are better options than abortion. Seriously babies are precious and we are biologically programmed to protect our most vulnerable, so how can we kill them?

I’m against the death penalty because there’s been instances where a person was exonerated after they were killed. In the US we need to fix our Justice system because it’s blatantly racist.
 
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It would honestly be more humane if there was some sort of a system for these people to commit a medically assisted suicide.

It would probably ease the burden of the prison system.
Dude,are you reading what you just wrote?Humane for the government to encourage people to commit suicide?Are you crazy?
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I’m against abortion and the death penalty.
Respectable.
 
If they are serving life sentences for violent crimes, I don’t see the issue.

It’s effectively a form of penance for their crimes.
I don't you have any idea how controversial it would be for any government to instigate euthanasia.Anyway,i'm talking my local situation.I think we need life sentence and we also need the death penalty for the most extreme cases of inmates that can't be controlled.
 
Thank you I believe in being consistent to the best of my ability.
I still disagree. I believe in bodily autonomy. But if your argument is based upon being strictly pro life cause you appreciate human life. At least I can respect you being consistent all throughout. That includes helping single mothers and giving children opportunities every single step of the way. I’m also against the death penalty.
 
I still disagree. I believe in bodily autonomy. But if your argument is based upon being strictly pro life cause you appreciate human life. At least I can respect you being consistent all throughout. That includes helping single mothers and giving children opportunities every single step of the way. I’m also against the death penalty.
I don’t agree with people who just berate women outside of Planned Parenthood. What’s that going to accomplish? I fully support funding for social programs to help single mothers and children. I can also donate to pregnancy crisis centers and foster/adopt charities.
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so if abortion is illegal

do you allocate money to orphanages so they house all the unwanted kids??


force the woman to raise kids, she dont want??


the legistics of banning abortion is nuts
In an ideal world we would have plenty of social programs to support single mothers and children. There would also be free prenatal care for pregnant women and babies.

Unfortunately this won’t happen. But I am still against abortion.
 
was talking the sources you used


they are long winded rants that pretty much have no objective information displayed


at least going by the one, I read
Those are SCIENTIFIC PAPERS not rants. Dude, because a conclusion challenges your point of view doesn't mean its a rant. Come on, less intellectual lazyness please.


at least going by the one, I read
Yeah, that's the problem, you only read the first link that was a complilation of definition of patriarchy based on the research of multiple people. Of course that if you read that without looking at the rest you will think that its a rant since it challenges your point of view.


name 1 mainstream source that supports my vision???
Trump ???
Macron ???
Biden ??
Just because one or multiple of them are talking about the right of women once a month doesn't mean they far right/ultraliberal political are suddenly leftist. THey are ALL ultra liberal and challenging the concept of patriarchy and the concept of systemic oppressions.

ast im to check all of them are literal leftist propaganda mills
No mate. The power AND the people are rightwing/liberals. Sadly leftist are still a minority.


look up the Duluth model
So here, I'm talking about women that are still GLOBALLY denied their right to speak about violence and abuse done to them and you reply to me with a controversial rehabilitating program made to rehabilitate people who abuse and violent in society.

Wtf ? This has nothing to do with the subject.


it's a practice favoring women's testimony in domestic violence cases



you are quite literally not going based on facts but rather ideological basis so like always
First, We are talking about a practice that favors a specific vision about patriarchy without care for therapy treatments. In other words, its not the right response to the problem of rehabilitation. But favoring women's testimony is STILL needed.

Second, its only in the case where perpetuator (men or women) are CHARGED and SENTENCED. What I'm talking about are the 90% of cases where perpetrators walk FREE.

So that program has absolutely NOTHING to do with the actual subject being that women are still struggling to be HEARD in front of actual POLICE OFFICER and JUSTICE like proven by the actual studies provided to you.

Again you are trying to deflect with something you heard in incel circles but that is completely out of subject and you still have no peer reviewed studies to counter what I'm talking about.

there is zero laws that are made to negatively affect solely black people or women
Systemic issues are not always about the laws that are put in place, sometimes its also the way the system is constructed sometimes winligly in order to defavor a oppressed minority or gender:

- Bad abortion laws for example are negatively affecting women.
- There is this : https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jan/08/us-1890-law-black-americans-voting
- There is this : https://www.humanrightscareers.com/issues/examples-of-systemic-racism/
It took me 1 minute of research, imagine what I can find in two hours.

But if you want an example of systemic racism, The state of France (Macron/Darmanin) just passed a far right immigration law that put migrants in even more misery that they were already in.

there are laws made specifically to help these groups such as affrimtive action and other such things
THose are liberals solutions and liberal solutions are ALWAYS (at best) only patches on an open wound (and at worst far right ideas). They are inefficient to counter systemic racism and patriarchy. That's one of the reason why we can't stand liberals in the left.



such would not be the case carrot if the current status quo seeks to opress women
Like I said
- The status co is you guys being a GROUP targetting the only profeminist in town.
- The status co is the WG staff laughing at real feminists and anti toxic ideas to make this place a better place for everyone.
- The status co is Biden supporting the far right and genocidal gov of Israel and denying systemic racism in the institutions
- The status co is Macron being helped by the far right to pass Ultra liberals reform and racist laws
- The status co is the people of both America and Europe being more and more encline to far right ideaologies that denies patriarchy and feminism
- The status co is movies and Series that still have transphobic and sexist representations
- The status co is the bigger social media being owned by a sexist BILLIONNAIRE who think that woke are a problem for society and that we should give a tribune to far right fascist and complotist
- THe status co is Trump being able to have a tribune in all medias and become president
- The status co is world famous VIOLENT actors (Johnny Depp/Brad Pitt) benefiting from a social preference because they are known, men and handsome
- THe status co is Gerard Depardieu, a famous french actor who just sexualize a little girl and sexually abused/harrassed interpreter in front of a camera being openly protected by the french PRESIDENT and defended by 50+ famous actor and french personnalities just because "its gerard"
- The status co is the fact that feminists and women had to create an hashtag to been seen at least just a bit and for things to evolve
- The status co is that so many countries still places women as the lowest class/ social group
- The status co is that we MEN are STILL debating on the abortion, something only WOMEN have the right to debate on.
- The status co is that pretty much all superheroes movies still target villain who want to make the society change and most of the time when those villain comes from oppression. #Marvel
- The status co is women still being laughed at in police station worse, being recieved by actual abusers in police stations.
- THe status co is the sta te who still refuse to defound the Police when we have the proof that those institution have core problems of far right activism, sexism and racism
- THe status co is Gerald Darmanin and Trump, both accused of rape
- THe status co is Eric Zemmour, a crypto fascist making 7% in the first round of the last french presidency while other far right group make the same ammount as other candidate with 20%
- THe status co is Christopher colombus still being acclamed as the discover of America when he just happen to step up on the ground of a great multiple state native nation and started the genocide that killed 70 MILLION people in the americas.

Do you want me to go on? I can do this for two more hours..

The status co mate, is on YOUR side, the side of sexism, of rejection of the feminist concept, the rejection of women voices, the rejection of the concept of systemic racism, the rejection that maybe, leftist are the good guys here.

And again, liberals are people who make or want liberal reforms, leftist don't want that. So we are not liberals einstein.

Again, you have no sources but video of the far right, no actual scientific paper, just your feelings.

I debunked clearly your rethoric and vision with good arguments, clear data report and real actual scientific paper. The problem is that you have too much pride to admit that you are wrong. So your only possibility is to continue saying that I'm a liberal leftist (even if its contradictory) and deny science and the researches on the subjects we are talking about.

the systematic powers
This doesn't mean anything bro


cool


the average joe has no power


their view is not in line with the larger liberal leftist



the systematic powers arent really representative of the average joe



but rather more representative of liberals like you
Sadly no. I just proved you that liberals are in fact meer capitalist that want to make profit, be seen in a good light or sometimes pass straight up racist laws. If Biden were leftist, he wouldn't defend Israel mate.

You are really lost on leftist matters mate and you political compass is completely broken

Like I told you, the average Joe is either for Trump/Marine Le Pen or a liberal Macron/Biden. The average joe is not (unless in very few cases) a leftist that will hold deep values about patriarchy and systemic racism.

Your problem is that you see a black little mermaid and think that suddenly all the medias are leftist when I proved you that those are only the choices of capitalist to appeal to progressive audiences and appears more progressive.

THe problem with you is not that leftism is the status co (it not and never was), the problem is that you REJECT leftism as an ideology because it challenges your point of view.

again because it's not in line with reality
Like I said, suddenly for you science is not in line with reality. You are like a flat earther denying mathematic and geography because you want to believe that you are the oppressed one.

I was like you once. I wanted to believe that there was some random shadows progressive organisation that wanted to control the world and me. Gladly I grew out of that, now its your turn to be a big boy and accept that you are wrong.


nobody believed johnny dept against amber heard
And still, what happened is that literally ALL SOCIAL MEDIA MADE FUN of Amber heard AND the WOMEN who tried to help her:

TW (sexist content)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgNl7ZscWtA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlXBIB1SM38
(there are thousands of massively viewed video like that)

Bonus:
https://x.com/cocainecross/status/1726759059414774164?s=20

The reality mate that you are VOLONTARALY IGNORING is that almost EVERYONE believed in Johnny Depp, even me at first which that should stand for you as a testimony of how much patriarchy has an effect on people.

All twitter, all youtube, all facebook, all tik tok, all instagram was FILLED with memes making fun of Amber and showing Depp in a heroic light...

A violent abuser ... in a heroic light. (even if Amber was not completely free of charges) that should ring some alarm.. but no. You are in COMPLETE disbelief. Simply because you refuse on an ideological basic to be proven wrong by a leftist.


and your different how??



you base your im right on far left propaganda and your own feelings
I told you, compared to you guys, I'm basing my argumentation on actual science. You know, the discipline that permits us to make objective observations about our universe.



so because some random forum with random people makes fun of you and disagrees with you
You guys are not random people, you are people with clear pattern of ideas, antifeminist, procapitalist, in denial of scientific researches and social studies, completely anti "woke".. You guys are the representation of the hegemonic right wing vision in society.

This is why you are sometime 3 sometimes 10 against one and why its so important for me to debunk ALL of you.


i was talking about mainstream media and world governments not a unknown forum
When unmodded, forums are micro representation of society.


random people gonna reject leftist more then the cnn of the world cause one is a leftsit source that agrees with your pol,tics and the other is a forum where anybody and anyone can post
SO you are telling me that people will reject CNN based on the proposition that they might be leftist ? That's exactly what global status co is.. Welcome in the real world.


if you wanna make a change here maybe invent some of your fellow liberals from twitter
I can't stand liberals so its gonna be hard bro..
You continue to affirm a contradictory principle. Liberal are not leftists they are you, the right wing.



I’m against abortion because I think it’s anti women
Thank you I believe in being consistent to the best of my ability.
If you were consistant, you would be pro abortion as you are pro women.

Read that please to understand why:


""
In "A Defense of Abortion", Judith Jarvis Thomson grants for the sake of argument that the fetus has a right to life, but defends the permissibility of abortion by appealing to a thought experiment:

You wake up in the morning and find yourself back to back in bed with an unconscious violinist. A famous unconscious violinist. He has been found to have a fatal kidney ailment, and the Society of Music Lovers has canvassed all the available medical records and found that you alone have the right blood type to help. They have therefore kidnapped you, and last night the violinist's circulatory system was plugged into yours, so that your kidneys can be used to extract poisons from his blood as well as your own. [If he is unplugged from you now, he will die; but] in nine months he will have recovered from his ailment, and can safely be unplugged from you.

Thomson argues that one can now permissibly unplug oneself from the violinist even though this will cause his death: this is due to limits on the right to life, which does not include the right to use another person's body, and so by unplugging the violinist, one does not violate his right to life but merely deprives him of something – the use of someone else's body – to which he has no right. "f you do allow him to go on using your kidneys, this is a kindness on your part, and not something he can claim from you as his due."

For the same reason, Thomson says, abortion does not violate the fetus's legitimate right to life, but merely deprives the fetus of something – the non-consensual use of the pregnant woman's body and life-supporting functions – to which it has no right. Thus, by choosing to terminate her pregnancy, Thomson concludes that a pregnant woman does not normally violate the fetus's right to life, but merely withdraws its use of her own body, which usually causes the fetus to die.
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