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Should we stop producing more and more in our economy and start be more ecological despite losing quality of life and whatnot ? If we do so, how would this plan even be applied on the scale of the earth ? Considering that war material should stop being produced too. Which implies world peace. Is it even possible to save the planet if the only way is degrowth ?
Are AIs gonna start a new era like in the movie Wall-E that is gonna turn everyone into a fat person using a wheelchair to move because AIs and robots will sustain our quality of life ? In other words, we won’t need to work anymore and only machines will sustain our quality of life ?
Degrowth can mean to stop using oil for instance. Which means that things that we do easily now can become harder to achieve. Wether it’s building a house, travelling, going to work or lots of things from daily life.
Degrowth can mean to stop using oil for instance. Which means that things that we do easily now can become harder to achieve. Wether it’s building a house, travelling, going to work or lots of things from daily life.
Another stupid word. What is fcking growing at this point?!? Trees are sick, pollinators nearing extinction, toxins, forever chemicals and microplastic everywhere and affecting embryonic development, cognitive abilities ,hormones and overall health
What tf is still growing ?
Look around you and tell me
What tf is still growing ?
Look around you and tell me
Another stupid word. What is fcking growing at this point?!? Trees are sick, pollinators nearing extinction, toxins, forever chemicals and microplastic everywhere and affecting embryonic development, cognitive abilities ,hormones and overall health
What tf is still growing ? Look around you and tell me
What tf is still growing ?
Look around you and tell me
The GDB is growing. New techs are being created every now and then. More and more stuff are being built. It’s INoVaTiOn 🤡 Resources are being used and blablablabla
Nothing, I'm just having a little bit of fun trolling bigots.
Dude, if technology brings bad things, then it can't "always" make life better... have some logic ffs.
Not necessaraly. In reality technology is - right now - used ethically simply because we are not living under dictatures, libertarian countries or a fascist regime, but things could change for actual centuries before things gets better.
Absolutely nothing is set in stone concerning technological advances. The belief that it is, is based on no actual facts.
Cool, if some kind of fascist entity uses this technology to track and massively kill thousands of people of color remotely, be sure to find them to tell them that "in the balance" they could also use this technology to kill terrorists and prevent civil casualties...
Not really no, since technology is not free and only priviledge people will have access to it. What it will create is in fact more inequalities between the classes of population.
You can't expect technology to solve a problem that needs to be resolved politically. Its simply dellusional, fallacious and based on no factual arguments.
AI is not designed to think mate.
Ultimately, AI is not the problem. The problem is how we use the tool.
To make it simple considering the artistic field.
Art is - again - about understanding how reality works and how it is shaped in order to reproduce it through a support in our own way. This reproduction will always have the history of the artists and their comprehension of the world behind it, and this is what will create emotion.
Ai content doesn't make that. AI works through a data bank, it will extrapolate and copy the material FROM this data banks (that is - right now, stolen work from artists - to fit the prompt. In other words, there is no artistic creation, its an act of simple copy without any understanding.
Do you think that this is good art ?
Well, from a standart point of view, you might think so, but from an artistic point of view, its not.
Those posts are meant to be realistically coherent, but in reality they lack basic anatomy understanding. The necks are wide without reason, one got the face of a 8 year old on a 20 year old body, the other don't understand that you need to attached both hearings on your hears and not one on your hear and one on your hairs. One as finger with such a lenght and morphic problem that would make any evil disney queen jealous and the other literally has some finger missing..
What can appear good is really not.Its just a copyof a copy of a copy. Its an AI model placing pixels on a matrix to create ressemblance, there is no creativity here.
THIS, is the reality of so called "AI artist" who really are just tech bro AI fanatics:
AI is stealing jobs right now, and we need to regulate it, period.
Well..
Go get me tigger
I prefer wikipedia definitions over dictionnaries ones as the first are generally linked by sources and the other not so much.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethics
But if you want I can accord to you the fact that there are indeed good and bad ethics. I simply didn't need to make the difference, but there is one.
Which only transform my assertion from:
"science, progress or technological advancement without ethic is chaos"
to
"science, progress or technological advancement without ethics drived by the bettering of happyness and good conditions of individuals, leads to chaos.
So I will be more precise from now on
And your point of view is still inhuman.
:cheers:
Not, "the" philosophy of time, A philosophy of time mate. And yes it is. Actually, its more metaphysical than philosophical really.
Well, contrary to you, I prefer to use encyclopedias instead of dictionnaries to talk about complexe subjects.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophical_presentism
Indeed.
Sure, keep telling yourself that mate. The day you will face the consequences of your libertarian actions, don't start crying on leftists shoulders.
We won't defend you.
Wrong, the progress is only accelerated (and only recently), not created. Its already there mate.
Did you felt like I was talking about all field here ? It was not the case. I was talking specifically about social and technological progress.
Technological progress is meaningless without social progress so those two must be analyzed together.
Still nop.
And you might wanna learn about the reality of technological and sociological advancement, because you are completely lost here mate if you think that war are necessary bringers of technological progress.
War does not always means technological progress and we can progress from a lot of way other than war
In some cases, yes, in most cases, no.
I was literally educated in France with huge classes on the revolution my tech bro.. you might wanna tone the ridiculousness down a little.
Ended up causing wars yes. Napoleonian wars mostly. Yes. The nuance is in the term "CAUSING" being different from "being".
It was literally the case. Or rather, it was inspired by the french revolution and by people being on both front.
And you might wanna learn a bit more about the person you are talking to before you start lecturing them on their own french education
"More rights" doesn't always means "more social rights", it can also mean "more economical rights" and more economical power my dear Robespierre.
Nobody is question the importance of the convention here. What I'm saying is that convention don't necessaraly need wars to be created. And in the case of world war 1, we could have avoided the million of death.
"War brings progress" =/= "war can EVENTUALLY accelerate already present progress"
No, during the war, technologies are reserved to those in power and those who are leading the fight or fighting, not the common masses.
No, its just the reality mate.
Like I said, its not systematic.
You are not helping yourself here.
And third report.
Dude, if technology brings bad things, then it can't "always" make life better... have some logic ffs.
Not necessaraly. In reality technology is - right now - used ethically simply because we are not living under dictatures, libertarian countries or a fascist regime, but things could change for actual centuries before things gets better.
Absolutely nothing is set in stone concerning technological advances. The belief that it is, is based on no actual facts.
Cool, if some kind of fascist entity uses this technology to track and massively kill thousands of people of color remotely, be sure to find them to tell them that "in the balance" they could also use this technology to kill terrorists and prevent civil casualties...
Not really no, since technology is not free and only priviledge people will have access to it. What it will create is in fact more inequalities between the classes of population.
You can't expect technology to solve a problem that needs to be resolved politically. Its simply dellusional, fallacious and based on no factual arguments.
AI is not designed to think mate.
Ultimately, AI is not the problem. The problem is how we use the tool.
To make it simple considering the artistic field.
Art is - again - about understanding how reality works and how it is shaped in order to reproduce it through a support in our own way. This reproduction will always have the history of the artists and their comprehension of the world behind it, and this is what will create emotion.
Ai content doesn't make that. AI works through a data bank, it will extrapolate and copy the material FROM this data banks (that is - right now, stolen work from artists - to fit the prompt. In other words, there is no artistic creation, its an act of simple copy without any understanding.
Do you think that this is good art ?
Well, from a standart point of view, you might think so, but from an artistic point of view, its not.
Those posts are meant to be realistically coherent, but in reality they lack basic anatomy understanding. The necks are wide without reason, one got the face of a 8 year old on a 20 year old body, the other don't understand that you need to attached both hearings on your hears and not one on your hear and one on your hairs. One as finger with such a lenght and morphic problem that would make any evil disney queen jealous and the other literally has some finger missing..
What can appear good is really not.Its just a copyof a copy of a copy. Its an AI model placing pixels on a matrix to create ressemblance, there is no creativity here.
THIS, is the reality of so called "AI artist" who really are just tech bro AI fanatics:
AI is stealing jobs right now, and we need to regulate it, period.
Well..
Go get me tigger
I prefer wikipedia definitions over dictionnaries ones as the first are generally linked by sources and the other not so much.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethics
But if you want I can accord to you the fact that there are indeed good and bad ethics. I simply didn't need to make the difference, but there is one.
Which only transform my assertion from:
"science, progress or technological advancement without ethic is chaos"
to
"science, progress or technological advancement without ethics drived by the bettering of happyness and good conditions of individuals, leads to chaos.
So I will be more precise from now on
And your point of view is still inhuman.
:cheers:
Not, "the" philosophy of time, A philosophy of time mate. And yes it is. Actually, its more metaphysical than philosophical really.
Well, contrary to you, I prefer to use encyclopedias instead of dictionnaries to talk about complexe subjects.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophical_presentism
Indeed.
Sure, keep telling yourself that mate. The day you will face the consequences of your libertarian actions, don't start crying on leftists shoulders.
We won't defend you.
Wrong, the progress is only accelerated (and only recently), not created. Its already there mate.
Did you felt like I was talking about all field here ? It was not the case. I was talking specifically about social and technological progress.
Technological progress is meaningless without social progress so those two must be analyzed together.
Still nop.
And you might wanna learn about the reality of technological and sociological advancement, because you are completely lost here mate if you think that war are necessary bringers of technological progress.
War does not always means technological progress and we can progress from a lot of way other than war
In some cases, yes, in most cases, no.
I was literally educated in France with huge classes on the revolution my tech bro.. you might wanna tone the ridiculousness down a little.
Ended up causing wars yes. Napoleonian wars mostly. Yes. The nuance is in the term "CAUSING" being different from "being".
It was literally the case. Or rather, it was inspired by the french revolution and by people being on both front.
And you might wanna learn a bit more about the person you are talking to before you start lecturing them on their own french education
"More rights" doesn't always means "more social rights", it can also mean "more economical rights" and more economical power my dear Robespierre.
Nobody is question the importance of the convention here. What I'm saying is that convention don't necessaraly need wars to be created. And in the case of world war 1, we could have avoided the million of death.
"War brings progress" =/= "war can EVENTUALLY accelerate already present progress"
No, during the war, technologies are reserved to those in power and those who are leading the fight or fighting, not the common masses.
No, its just the reality mate.
Like I said, its not systematic.
You are not helping yourself here.
And third report.