Controversial General Political Discussion

[Bisoromi Bear]

Is a colonial,terrorist and genocidal state like Israel really worth contradicting yourself and sacrificing your integrity for ?

I don't get people who still post her for -in some way- make this a "both sides are bad" to cover for Israel at this point now that all masks came off, this has always been the fight of the Palestinians against getting their lands stolen and settled by people who came from almost everywhere but Palestine.

And guess who lately just used their veto in the UNSC? This time to prevent the recognition of a Palestinian state as a full member of the UN.

12 votes in favor, 2 abstained (UK and Switzerland) and the US rejected.

Yeah kinda but Hamas are shady and in cahoots with radical islamists from other countries.

 

[Apollo]

So you dont think both sides are bad?

If you read my post carefully, you'll find the answer to your question ?

Here, I'll point it out for you:

this has always been the fight of the Palestinians against getting their lands stolen and settled by people who came from almost everywhere but Palestine.

Palestine's cause is just, Israel's isn't and it has been this way since the Zionist movement intended to colonize Palestine and carve it out into an ethnostate.

 

[Roo]

Palestine's cause is just, Israel's isn't and it has been this way since the Zionist movement intended to colonize Palestine and carve it out into an ethnostate.

For sovereignty? yes. For the entire land? no that is ridiculous. At some point you lose the moral ground on that.

Are the U.S natives justified if they decided to arm up the reservations and start attacking the next city over?

 

[Apollo]

For sovereignty? yes. For the entire land? no that is ridiculous. At some point you lose the moral ground on that.

Are the U.S natives justified if they decided to arm up the reservations and start attacking the next city over?

That would be acceptable if:
A-Palestinians get their own sovereign state in the West Bank and Gaza.
B-The ones who were made refugees after Israel ethnically cleansed them would be compensated for that loss.
C-Settlers leave the colonies created in Palestinian lands.

 

[AL sama]

this is far too concerning if true

 

[Toby D. Dog]

this is far too concerning if true

Hello Elon.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

What do you guys think of the political messages in the Nolan Batman films?

 

[Logiko]

What do you guys think of the political messages in the Nolan Batman films?

I would need to rewatch it since my political lens completely shifted since I last saw it but in my memory its really quite liberal and depoliticized.

Batman as a political figure is already quite a questionnable one politically so it doesn't help.

 

[Etzel Andergast]

This happens a lot, in many religions


Religious authorities usually don't care about the contents of the religion ,they use it more as a tool to stay in power.
If they cared about their actual religion, like you said, they'd welcome converts with open arms. The Catholic church is similar in this regard as they notoriously discriminate against or outright turn down prospective converts from non European countries. This happened to my own dad btw who is an immigrant from a majority Muslim country, they forced him to memorize the entire contents of the Bible if he wants to convert to Catholicism which of course is an impossible task thus acting as a deterrent. In the end he didn't get baptised.

Lol you dont need to do that to become a catholic. You just need make the sacraments: baptism, eucharist and confirmation. Catholicism is dying in europe, if migrants from other continents want to become catholic, the church wont deny them. If a priest did that to your father, the right thing to do in this case is report that to the church

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Really? I thought Catholics want to convert as many people as possible

Jews aren’t that way anymore because for centuries, Jewish conversion was punishable by death in Christian and maybe Muslim countries. And that had the effect of making Jews a very insular community.

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The orthodox believe in a very rigid form of Judaism

The issue with this is that the Judaism they subscribe to wasn’t created with the intentions of ruling a country. It was a religion that came about through centuries of discrimination and living as a minority in other countries.

The Hasmoneans actively converted non Jews and integrated them into Judaea.

But Israel cannot and will not do this to the Palestinians. Since the orthodox follow a Judaism that is so tied to ethnic identity, it’s not flexible enough to be something that can unite a country, hence the only way they can have a Jewish country is by apartheid.

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Due to the nature of Judaism being that of a minority ethnoreligion, it’s just not functional as being a religion of an entire state.

At least not until someone comes along and changes judaism into being a world religion. Such a person could only be the messiah.

Hence I tbh agree with the ultra orthodox idea that Jews shouldn’t create a state of their own until the messiah comes.

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That being said israel has already been created and has existed for 70+ years and “destroying it” would lead to more massacres and violence on both sides.

So the only thing that can be done is for israel to exist but to abolish it’s harmful and discriminatory practices.

Yes, the catholic church has the goal to convert the entire world

 

[Toby D. Dog]

Catholicism is dying in europe,

And that's a good thing IMO.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Lol you dont need to do that to become a catholic. You just need make the sacraments: baptism, eucharist and confirmation. Catholicism is dying in europe, if migrants from other continents want to become catholic, the church wont deny them. If a priest did that to your father, the right thing to do in this case is report that to the church

No shit Bruh that happened 30 years ago🤣 things change

And that's a good thing IMO.

 

[Etzel Andergast]

And that's a good thing IMO.

I'm chatolic, so I disagree

 

[Toby D. Dog]

I'm chatolic, so I disagree

I used to be.

 

[Etzel Andergast]

No shit Bruh that happened 30 years ago🤣 things change

But that should never happened. If this happened to your father then it was more "bad luck". Because this was never a systematic thing

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

But that should never happened. If this happened to your father then it was more "bad luck". Because this was never a systematic thing

Catholic pastors rejecting foreigners IS a thing

 

[Etzel Andergast]

Catholic pastors rejecting foreigners IS a thing

I never heard of something like that. "The church systematically rejecting migrants". And this is more strange when we live in an era that the number of chatolic is decreasing

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I used to be.

This is happening often. And I believe not only catholic, but religious people will be minority in the future

 

[Toby D. Dog]

This is happening often. And I believe not only catholic, but religious people will be minority in the future

I rally do think it’s a good thing. One less excuse to kill each other.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

This is happening often. And I believe not only catholic, but religious people will be minority in the future

membership numbers of established big religions are surely about to decrease. But religion statistics are always biased as they don't include less mainstream / personal beliefs or spirituality.
Not everyone who makes a cross at "non denominational" is an anti-religious atheist, not everyone that calls themselves a Catholic is a "pure" Catholic (especially in some overseas communities you'll find a lot of syncretism) and not everyone who calls themselves a Muslim is an overly strict, fundamental Salafist for example.

 

[Etzel Andergast]

I rally do think it’s a good thing. One less excuse to kill each other.

Since second vatican council the church became more open to the others christian denominations and to other religions. The church no longer has an agressive attitude more aggressive towards other religions

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membership numbers of established big religions are surely about to decrease. But religion statistics are always biased as they don't include less mainstream / personal beliefs or spirituality.
Not everyone who makes a cross at "non denominational" is an anti-religious atheist, not everyone that calls themselves a Catholic is a "pure" Catholic (especially in some overseas communities you'll find a lot of syncretism) and not everyone who calls themselves a Muslim is an overly strict, fundamental Salafist for example.

Yeah, a lot of catholic rarely go to mass

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

I rally do think it’s a good thing. One less excuse to kill each other.

Now that's bs Toby. People will always find some reason to kill each other. Religions are not the only ideologies that divide people.
Think of left vs right, or nationalism. I get the feeling that ethnic nationalism might be on the rise