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Monkey D Theories said:
I fail to see how Hamas’s “resistance” actually serves that cause.
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It maintains a pressure on the oppressor. Without the resistance, there would not be any Gaza and Palestinian would have been ALL displaced and ejected from their home.

The resistance is not pretty in this context, but it maintains the status of the people as one who will not let itself be oppressed silently.


Monkey D Theories said:
Their resistance seems more ideologically motivated than based in practical reality. The rational approach, of course, would be to push for peace with US and Israel and then try to get international recognition as a sovereign state.

But It’s likely that bitterness over the nakba and their numerous losses, and let’s be honest antisemitism as well, all prevent them from doing this. There’s also the issue of Israel’s crimes in the West Bank, but again Hamas’s “resistance” not only helps the West Bank Palestinians, it literally makes their condition worst.
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Resistance is ALWAYS ideological. If you have a non ideological reistance, it's not a resistance.

Resistance is ALWAYS politicized, it always old values and ideas. If this wasn't the case, there would not be any resistance in the first place. You may be talking about the fact that this resistance is religiously radialized for a big part.

But this doesn't negate its status. There are all forms of resistance, here there is indeed a ideology that is problematic, and in some case, even ideas that are problematic, but it's still a resistance against a clear oppressor.

Now, this doesn't mean that they can't be held accountable for their crimes when they do ones. Naming Hamas a resistant movement does not negate their action and must NOT make us defend what they did on october 7th.

Saying that hamas is not resistance because they do war crimes and terrorist actions would be the same as saying the IDF is not a country's army anymore because they perpetuated genocide.

The crimes and ideas of a group are not what we need to look at when we are talking about oppression VS resistance. It's the domination relationship that matters here.
 
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Brush D. Teeth said:
The Canaanites totally deserved it.
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Lots of ancient ones got what they deserved.
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Bisoromi Bear said:
*was not real
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tel_Dan_stele#:~:text=The Tel Dan Stele is,team led by Avraham Biran.
The Tel Dan stele consists of several fragments making up part of a triumphal inscription in Old Aramaic, left most probably by Hazael of Aram-Damascus,[8] an important regional figure in the late 9th century BCE. The unnamed king boasts of his victories over the king of Israel and his apparent ally[9] the king of the "House of David" (Imperial Aramaic: 𐤁𐤉𐤕𐤃𐤅𐤃, romanized: bytdwd). It is considered the earliest widely accepted reference to the name David as the founder of a Judahite polity outside of the Hebrew Bible,[10] though the earlier Mesha Stele contains several possible references with varying acceptance.
A minority of scholars has disputed the reference to David, due to the lack of a word divider between byt and dwd, and other translations have been proposed. The Tel Dan stele is one of only four known extra-biblical inscriptions made during a roughly 400-year period (1200–800 BCE) containing the name "Israel", the others being the Merneptah Stele, the Mesha Stele, and the Kurkh Monoliths.[11][12][13]
The Tel Dan inscription generated considerable debate and a flurry of articles, debating its age, authorship, and authenticity;[14] however, the stele is generally accepted by scholars as genuine and a reference to the house of David.[15][16][17]
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Roo said:
There’s actual proof of a house of David, so the myth is probably based on a real jew king
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yeah,i just posted it.
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Bisoromi Bear said:
They mostly rewrote their ancestral history during the Babylonian exile anyway. It's fascinating and equally frustrating how 2 oceans away there's a group of people of different ethnic origin who base their whole identity and (lack of )understanding of science on these stories.
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I will admit my faith is not based around what is written in the Bible, because i too have a hard time believing all of these crazy stuff. Lots of confusing things too.
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Bisoromi Bear said:
Sure, not denying the possibility, but the deeds attributed to him either didn't happen or were stolen from other stories and historical figures.
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Why?David didn't do anything extraordinary. He was just successful in war. Alexander,Caesar and Napoleon were way more successful and we know they were real and actually did that stuff.
 
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Bisoromi Bear said:
Yes and Jesus totally walked on water. Source:ancient book written by MULTIPLE MEN
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You were talking about King David. Bible means collection of books,dummy.
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Monkey D Theories said:
Israel disengaged from Gaza. They don’t want Gaza. Whereas there are multiple sites in the West Bank that are important to Jews, Gaza has none of that.

Gaza would be the easiest place to create a Palestinian state if their leaders weren’t insane.
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To be honest, this entire conflict would not exist if leaders from BOTH SIDES were not insane. The average joe just wants to go about his day. War is a hobby of rich assholes.
 
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Bisoromi Bear said:
But there are westerners without the west


You brought up other historical figures. Now go look for more Bible quotes my guy
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A brought up other CONQUERORS. Jesus wasn't a warlord. You are deflecting cause your arguments were stupid.
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Bisoromi Bear said:
But there are westerners without the west
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Yeah, like Latin Americans. We were colonized by Europeans, we speak a language derived of Latin, our religion is Christian and we inherited the culture of our colonizers, but somehow that makes us something else. Meanwhile, the Japanese are considered western by some. Go figure that one out.:gokulaugh:
 
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NAMELESS said:
Yeah, like Latin Americans. We were colonized by Europeans, we speak a language derived of Latin, our religion is Christian and we inherited the culture of our colonizers, but somehow that makes us something else. Meanwhile, the Japanese are considered western by some. Go figure that one out.:gokulaugh:
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Are Turks westerners too ? Somewhat still secular and democratic ??? Also "stronk" economy by being member of G20... but currently inflation has skyrocketed :suresure:
 
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Bisoromi Bear said:
What am I hearing? You'd rather be a pure blooded European?
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What?
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Mathias said:
Are Turks westerners too ? Somewhat still secular and democratic ??? Also "stronk" economy by being member of G20... but currently inflation has skyrocketed :suresure:
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Economy has nothing to do with that. I'm talking about culture here.
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Bisoromi Bear said:
Turks are Greeks basically
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:choppawhat:
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Mathias said:
Europeans are descendants of the Turks :zehaha:
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ok,you guys are trolling. I get it now.
 
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NAMELESS said:
Economy has nothing to do with that. I'm talking about culture here.
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It is said by holy scholars that you need a certain level of "well-being" to be "western".

Anyway, western values or culture isn't christian if this is what you have in mind. It's secularism and democracy.

Even american and british leaders have been saying "the free world" for a while now.

ok,you guys are trolling. I get it now.
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Lunatic aryan Turks genuinely told me that the first human came from Turkey and other whatnots about their supremacy fantasies:josad:
 
Logiko

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Monkey D Theories said:
Israel disengaged from Gaza. They don’t want Gaza. Whereas there are multiple sites in the West Bank that are important to Jews, Gaza has none of that.

Gaza would be the easiest place to create a Palestinian state if their leaders weren’t insane.
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Can you stop repeating Israel's propaganda please ?

Do you want me to remind you the oppression that were facing palestinians from the city before and now after the 7th of october ?

No. Israel didn't "disengaged", the City was STILL occupied, they are still very there engaged politically, militarily and economically and they are STILL bombing the city. The far right WANTS gaza. And the most radical want ALL the lands. And i'm talking here about sionist like Natanyahou who are buying tickets to witness the bombing of the city on boats.

Netanyahou wants Israel to oversee COMPLETE control over this land. It's not disengment, it's domination. It's occupation. It''s control and it's OPPRESSION.
 
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Mathias said:
Lunatic aryan Turks genuinely told me that the first human came from Turkey and other whatnots about their supremacy fantasies
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Bruh ~15 years ago I found a German language forum that had thread titles such as '''are American Indians actually Turks?'' and the op listing 'strong warriors' and 'good horse riders' as common traits

NAMELESS said:
:choppawhat:
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Culturally and genetically, Turks from Turkey are mostly the pre-Turkic population, I wasn't trolling.
 
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Bisoromi Bear said:
Bruh ~15 years ago I found a German language forum that had thread titles such as '''are American Indians actually Turks?'' and the op listing 'strong warriors' and 'good horse riders' as common traits
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That same mofo actually started randomly rambling about how Turks are the greatest with so many made up Turrko-nazi stuff like the thing you just said because I replied to his "hello" :pepebuggy:

Never again am I wasting time listening to a random bastard whose entire personality is his country :whitepress:
 
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Logiko said:
Can you stop repeating Israel's propaganda please ?

Do you want me to remind you the oppression that were facing palestinians from the city before and now after the 7th of october ?

No. Israel didn't "disengaged", the City was STILL occupied, they are still very there engaged politically, militarily and economically and they are STILL bombing the city. The far right WANTS gaza. And the most radical want ALL the lands. And i'm talking here about sionist like Natanyahou who are buying tickets to witness the bombing of the city on boats.

Netanyahou wants Israel to oversee COMPLETE control over this land. It's not disengment, it's domination. It's occupation. It''s control and it's OPPRESSION.
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Under siege would be a better description of what Israel was doing pre october 7.and yet they get a lot of freebies from Israel(running water,eletricity and so on)
 
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