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Because according to this survey (Understanding why women seek abortions in the US | BMC Women's Health | Full Text ), about 12 percent of abortions take place because of health reasons. And within those health reasons, there are health concerns not linked to the pregnany, like drug abuse or diabetes.
What i dislike about this line of argumentation is that it opens up a can of worms where anti-abortion people could compromise with having abortion legal in this very specific set of health concerns (maybe even only pregnancy related ones) which only make up a small minority of abortions anyway.
Because according to this survey (Understanding why women seek abortions in the US | BMC Women's Health | Full Text ), about 12 percent of abortions take place because of health reasons. And within those health reasons, there are health concerns not linked to the pregnany, like drug abuse or diabetes.
What i dislike about this line of argumentation is that it opens up a can of worms where anti-abortion people could compromise with having abortion legal in this very specific set of health concerns (maybe even only pregnancy related ones) which only make up a small minority of abortions anyway.
It up to you to choose what to do. I can't tell you to do this or that. For example, some boycotts are very difficult (not only BDS) for me so it's sometimes hard to do them. So you are not a bad person for not doing them if you can't or if it's too hard on you.
Everyone fight as they can. No pressure.
Suffering is not always physical it can be mental as well.
I'm mainly talking about the mental part here and the burden of a child when you can't afford it or when said pregnency creates a mental pressure and a mental load that is to hard to bare.
There is always a reason behind abortion, it's never benine, so we need to listen to women on that. It's their body, their choice.
This is BS rethoric from liberals who think they are radical but actually do not understand priviledge and oppression struggles at all.
Those people have zero sociological knowledge, they only know that culture war = bad and so because they are progressive who don't want to be seen like the good leftists from the far rightists, they adopt a class first but really confusionnistic vision of social struggle and the fight against capitalism.
In other words, it's fascism bootliking.
Those people think that social struggles are just some minor struggles that people only care about when they have more priviledge but in reality, what they absolutely don't know - because they do not care to do the research - is that anti-capitalism and social struggles such as feminism or the fight for LGBTQI+ are completely related to one another.
THose people do not understand, because they are really rightists and not leftist, that when you are a LGBTQI+ person, you also are also MUCH MORE LIKELY to be casted out in a capitalist society and face financial struggle, possibily ending up in poverty.
The media tends to fallaciously surrepresent LGBTQI+ as a priviledged and wealthy minority but in reality, when you are one of them, you have more chance to end up without wealth but also without social relationships.
Because spoilers:
Economic capitals, cultural capitals, symbolic capitals and social capitals are ALL linked together and when you are a LGBTQI+ you are more likely to cumulate a large number of pressure under the oppressions of our systems.
This is why when you hear someone say "class first", it's usually a leftist that do not understand the majority of what they are fighting for.
Intersectionnality is the only way for us leftists to make a change in this world in an efficient and ethical manner.
(Edit: I didn't watch the entire tirade of this guy, it seems he is not even a liberal, just a republican who uses the concept of priviledge and class struggle as a way to sh*t on social struggles.. Anyway, the guy do not understand what he is talking about and the sad thing is that we have people like that on the left or at least who think they are on the left)
Everyone fight as they can. No pressure.
Suffering is not always physical it can be mental as well.
I'm mainly talking about the mental part here and the burden of a child when you can't afford it or when said pregnency creates a mental pressure and a mental load that is to hard to bare.
There is always a reason behind abortion, it's never benine, so we need to listen to women on that. It's their body, their choice.
This is BS rethoric from liberals who think they are radical but actually do not understand priviledge and oppression struggles at all.
Those people have zero sociological knowledge, they only know that culture war = bad and so because they are progressive who don't want to be seen like the good leftists from the far rightists, they adopt a class first but really confusionnistic vision of social struggle and the fight against capitalism.
In other words, it's fascism bootliking.
Those people think that social struggles are just some minor struggles that people only care about when they have more priviledge but in reality, what they absolutely don't know - because they do not care to do the research - is that anti-capitalism and social struggles such as feminism or the fight for LGBTQI+ are completely related to one another.
THose people do not understand, because they are really rightists and not leftist, that when you are a LGBTQI+ person, you also are also MUCH MORE LIKELY to be casted out in a capitalist society and face financial struggle, possibily ending up in poverty.
The media tends to fallaciously surrepresent LGBTQI+ as a priviledged and wealthy minority but in reality, when you are one of them, you have more chance to end up without wealth but also without social relationships.
Because spoilers:
Economic capitals, cultural capitals, symbolic capitals and social capitals are ALL linked together and when you are a LGBTQI+ you are more likely to cumulate a large number of pressure under the oppressions of our systems.
This is why when you hear someone say "class first", it's usually a leftist that do not understand the majority of what they are fighting for.
Intersectionnality is the only way for us leftists to make a change in this world in an efficient and ethical manner.
(Edit: I didn't watch the entire tirade of this guy, it seems he is not even a liberal, just a republican who uses the concept of priviledge and class struggle as a way to sh*t on social struggles.. Anyway, the guy do not understand what he is talking about and the sad thing is that we have people like that on the left or at least who think they are on the left)
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it tbh makes it harder to date because Jews are a pretty small minority here.
But also I think it makes things more meaningful in the long run. There are countless people I could date, how do I narrow things down?
I think religion is an effective selecting tool. Marrying someone with similar religious values would be extremely meaningful to me.
what’s wrong with that
you act like there’s somehow a more logical reason why people follow the religions they do when irl they mostly just believe what their parents do.
It was cool and I made friends. That’s a tangible positive benefit. Don’t see what else I need.
But also I think it makes things more meaningful in the long run. There are countless people I could date, how do I narrow things down?
I think religion is an effective selecting tool. Marrying someone with similar religious values would be extremely meaningful to me.
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what’s wrong with that
you act like there’s somehow a more logical reason why people follow the religions they do when irl they mostly just believe what their parents do.
It was cool and I made friends. That’s a tangible positive benefit. Don’t see what else I need.
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but I do in fact enjoy my religion
Most of my social interactions outside of work come from religious stuff
The holidays are quite fun to celebrate
And I do like to pray every now and then
I think my life would be much worse if I wasn’t religious
don’t really know what would fill that void
but I do in fact enjoy my religion
Most of my social interactions outside of work come from religious stuff
The holidays are quite fun to celebrate
And I do like to pray every now and then
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I think my life would be much worse if I wasn’t religious
don’t really know what would fill that void
I think religion offers something that transcends the value of a game or an activity.
I suppose it gives mundane aspects of my life meaning.
I cooked Hanukkah food for my office the week before our yearly holiday break. I suppose I could have made donuts for them without converting to Judaism, but I think the fact that I was celebrating a holiday and joining something bigger than myself made it mean a lot more than it otherwise would have.
I suppose it gives mundane aspects of my life meaning.
I cooked Hanukkah food for my office the week before our yearly holiday break. I suppose I could have made donuts for them without converting to Judaism, but I think the fact that I was celebrating a holiday and joining something bigger than myself made it mean a lot more than it otherwise would have.
Yes Illogiko, abortion isn't a mom killing her fetus...and knowledge isn't truth, and ethics aren't morals, and 2 + 2 = 5
Pop quiz: what color is the sky?
Insanity
It isn't ethical to murder anyone, regardless if they can feel pain or not. You keep using this insane "does it feel pain" logic after I already refuted it with the person-in-a-coma argument.
Yes, it is possible for a Nazi to turn into a RadFem in one night, it is quite literally possible lmao.
Is it likely? No. But there is no causal impossibility with, say, me sitting down with a Nazi for a night and talking him out of Nazism and into Feminism lmao.
It's not likely, but it is possible. Why is it impossible?
Not possible or not likely? Lol
Going to keep asking you this because you don't know the difference between something being very unlikely vs literally impossible, like 2 + 2 equalling 5
If a criminal regrets, and intends no longer to commit murder after being threatened with execution or long prison time, is this not a change?
Ok. Criminals can have a change of heart quickly after hearing news of their execution. Lol
You are now changing the hypothetical. The hypothetical does not assume the person desires to do anything in particular.
Obviously, it's impossible to simultaneously will one thing and another, that's a logical contradiction. It's possible for me to want to tie my shoe, then to not tie my shoe, but not will "both" at the same time.
The very fact that the person is given 2 options implies an ability to choose. What you've listed are just factors that make such a choice more easy for one option over the other
Is this supposed to be a "gatcha" moment? Again, the human will can be extremely pressured to do x over y, but not eliminated entirely. The fact that I am given a choice is proof of free will
This example is just the will being pressured to do one thing, but you can't prove it's eliminated entirely as opposed to just being extremely pressured
Okay. But this time does not have a minimum, so the criminal could change over time - a very short period of time. Nothing contradictory there
Okay. So it can't instantly happen, but it can happen within a short period of time with no minimum, so it could happen theoretically in as little as a day, in theory.
It's unlikely, but possible. A person is nondangerous insomuch as they are unlikely to cause harm. Someone could instantly decide not to cause harm anymore, in theory.
It's just unlikely.
Is saying 2+2=4, reality as I like to be? Or reality?
And no data would be needed because I'm making a conceptual argument, not an empirical one LMAO
Yes, it is possible and it is possible with a short period of time, short being a subjective and undefined length of time. What is the minimum amount of time literally possible for someone to make extreme change in the context of a criminal who is dangerous?
A month? A week?
Someone can be radicalized by one truth. You can turn a kid into a radical by showing them a single piece of information, such as a crime statistic. They're now a radical rightwinger
You can, then, show them another piece of information which contradicts that. Now they're a radical leftist
So it sounds to me like since everyone's formation differs in it's foundation, some people may take more steps to turn into the "opposite" worldview, some may take less. Some may take only one step as in the example I gave
You fucking idiot you just denied being an empiricist and then asked for data which would change your mind
Hey, if it was literally impossible, then how could a piece of data change your mind? Could a piece of data make 2+2=5 (an actual impossibility), ever correct?
Pop quiz: what color is the sky?
Insanity
It isn't ethical to murder anyone, regardless if they can feel pain or not. You keep using this insane "does it feel pain" logic after I already refuted it with the person-in-a-coma argument.
Yes, it is possible for a Nazi to turn into a RadFem in one night, it is quite literally possible lmao.
Is it likely? No. But there is no causal impossibility with, say, me sitting down with a Nazi for a night and talking him out of Nazism and into Feminism lmao.
It's not likely, but it is possible. Why is it impossible?
Not possible or not likely? Lol
Going to keep asking you this because you don't know the difference between something being very unlikely vs literally impossible, like 2 + 2 equalling 5
If a criminal regrets, and intends no longer to commit murder after being threatened with execution or long prison time, is this not a change?
Ok. Criminals can have a change of heart quickly after hearing news of their execution. Lol
You are now changing the hypothetical. The hypothetical does not assume the person desires to do anything in particular.
Obviously, it's impossible to simultaneously will one thing and another, that's a logical contradiction. It's possible for me to want to tie my shoe, then to not tie my shoe, but not will "both" at the same time.
The very fact that the person is given 2 options implies an ability to choose. What you've listed are just factors that make such a choice more easy for one option over the other
Is this supposed to be a "gatcha" moment? Again, the human will can be extremely pressured to do x over y, but not eliminated entirely. The fact that I am given a choice is proof of free will
This example is just the will being pressured to do one thing, but you can't prove it's eliminated entirely as opposed to just being extremely pressured
Okay. But this time does not have a minimum, so the criminal could change over time - a very short period of time. Nothing contradictory there
Okay. So it can't instantly happen, but it can happen within a short period of time with no minimum, so it could happen theoretically in as little as a day, in theory.
It's unlikely, but possible. A person is nondangerous insomuch as they are unlikely to cause harm. Someone could instantly decide not to cause harm anymore, in theory.
It's just unlikely.
Is saying 2+2=4, reality as I like to be? Or reality?
And no data would be needed because I'm making a conceptual argument, not an empirical one LMAO
Yes, it is possible and it is possible with a short period of time, short being a subjective and undefined length of time. What is the minimum amount of time literally possible for someone to make extreme change in the context of a criminal who is dangerous?
A month? A week?
Someone can be radicalized by one truth. You can turn a kid into a radical by showing them a single piece of information, such as a crime statistic. They're now a radical rightwinger
You can, then, show them another piece of information which contradicts that. Now they're a radical leftist
So it sounds to me like since everyone's formation differs in it's foundation, some people may take more steps to turn into the "opposite" worldview, some may take less. Some may take only one step as in the example I gave
You fucking idiot you just denied being an empiricist and then asked for data which would change your mind
Hey, if it was literally impossible, then how could a piece of data change your mind? Could a piece of data make 2+2=5 (an actual impossibility), ever correct?
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Mental health is also part of those 12 percent.
And im not willing to call financial reasons/bad timing suffering when its really just inconvenience.
Some = most apparently as well.
What about human rights though?
They are valid for anyone just due to being human, so they are valid to fetuses too.
And im not willing to call financial reasons/bad timing suffering when its really just inconvenience.
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Some = most apparently as well.
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What about human rights though?
They are valid for anyone just due to being human, so they are valid to fetuses too.
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