I am particularly harsh on Vance for quoting the Saints on this topic because, while true he has utterly failed to live by it. He got famous off a book he wrote spiting those same kin and, in that same spirit married out of it
Mfw 90% of the world is guilty of incest (they didn't racemix)
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Sure, still a foreigner
I am particularly harsh on Vance for quoting the Saints on this topic because, while true he has utterly failed to live by it. He got famous off a book he wrote spiting those same kin and, in that same spirit married out of it
What Vance was quoting from St. Augustine entails something about our obligations to each other that common sense would find clear enough: give to your family, then kin, then country. In that order
Vance says but does not do. He gave the good of marriage to someone outside his kin, far outside it and if you read his book Hillbilly Elegy, it was done out of spite towards his own people
What Vance was quoting from St. Augustine entails something about our obligations to each other that common sense would find clear enough: give to your family, then kin, then country. In that order
Vance says but does not do. He gave the good of marriage to someone outside his kin, far outside it and if you read his book Hillbilly Elegy, it was done out of spite towards his own people
Clearly, if he met her, they became friends and then fell in love, at that point she meant much more to him than any random white woman around the city. Besides, there's nothing wrong with a Christian marrying a foreigner, if anything you should have questioned his marriage to a non-Christian and that would have made more sense. But it worked out decently for him and he did convert after becoming a father, perhaps it wouldn't have happened with another woman.
JD is making a political statement. He is saying we have obligations towards kin but he has failed in such obligations as evident towards his disdain for whites and white culture by his book, Hillbilly Elegy, and for marrying outside the race/culture
JD is making a political statement. He is saying we have obligations towards kin but he has failed in such obligations as evident towards his disdain for whites and white culture by his book, Hillbilly Elegy, and for marrying outside the race/culture
So he recently became Catholic? That's good. I do hope him and her wife are saved
But he can't preach about obligations towards kin and countrymen as if he didn't marry someone completely foreign to his country and his race
I don't know what he wrote in his book, but the ordo amoris seem to be about closeness rather than blood. If I get to know a foreign woman and grow closer to her than I am to other white women, of course I'd rather marry her. At the same time, I may feel closer to women here than I am to random foreign women living abroad.
If I get to know a foreign woman and grow closer to her than I am to other white women, of course I'd rather marry her. At the same time, I may feel closer to women here than I am to random foreign women living abroad.
Right but don't we choose who we become close with?
Vance chose to become close with someone of a completely foreign culture, with a foreign religion and of a foreign race, let's just call it what it is. And if you read Hillbilly Elegy you will see how inorganic and deliberate it was
It's a manifesto more than a book, really. And within it you can see why he married as he did and it wasn't just a coincidence
Closeness is an effect with several causes, of which blood is one of them. This is a natural and good thing
Right but don't we choose who we become close with?
Vance chose to become close with someone of a completely foreign culture, with a foreign religion and of a foreign race, let's just call it what it is. And if you read Hillbilly Elegy you will see how inorganic and deliberate it was
Feel free to post some parts from the book if you feel like.
Anyway we often don't choose whom we become close to, most of the time you just meet people, like in school or at work, unless you are suggesting that we actively avoid non-whites but that doesn't seem very Christian.
Feel free to post some parts from the book if you feel like.
Anyway we often don't choose whom we become close to, most of the time you just meet people, like in school or at work, unless you are suggesting that we actively avoid non-whites but that doesn't seem very Christian.
Look, I'm just going to end the conversation here, ideologically we don't align here. You either see the importance of race/culture and the preservation of it or you don't.
Look, I'm just going to end the conversation here, ideologically we don't align here. You either see the importance of race/culture and the preservation of it or you don't.
I honestly thought the attacks on constitutionnal rights in the US would take at least a year...
It took less than 2 weeks.
I can't believe I'm saying this, but I underestimated the gravity of the rise of fascism in the US. I'm so sorry for what some of you will have to live through..
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