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Christianity is anti-sin, so anti-lust, so anti-sex perversion, so anti-pornography and anti-sex outside of marriage and anti-homosexual acts,
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Luke 5:32
"32 I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance."
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Romans 3:10
"10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:"
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Romans 3:23
King James Version
"23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;"
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1 Timothy 1:15
"15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief."
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But Jesus Christ came to save sinners, and all have sinned, and there are none righteous, and Timothy called himself the chief of sinners, so not only did Jesus Christ come into the world to save people who live in sin out of their sin and give them eternal life, but one of the apostles tells you he is the chief of sinners, so Jesus and Jesus' followers are not the ones saying to stone gay people.
However the Bible does say to repent of sin, which homosexual acts are ( they are talked about in Romans 1:20-32 ),
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Acts 3:19
“Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;”
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Romans 1:20-32
"20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them."
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Romans 6:23
"23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."
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Leviticus 20:1-2
"1 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
2 Again, thou shalt say to the children of Israel, Whosoever he be of the children of Israel, or of the strangers that sojourn in Israel, that giveth any of his seed unto Molech; he shall surely be put to death: the people of the land shall stone him with stones."
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However what I will post were some things that the Lord commanded to the people of Israel ( people of the land of Israel, descendants of the person named Israel, Genesis 32:28 ), at that time, to do with the conditions said in Leviticus 20:1-2 :
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Leviticus 20:13 - If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
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I want to also point out the punishment in that law for practicing slavery and cheating on your husband with adultery:
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Exodus 21:16
King James Version
"16 And he that stealeth a man, and selleth him, or if he be found in his hand, he shall surely be put to death."
Leviticus 20:10
“And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.”
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And I want to point out that Jesus saved a woman who commited adultery and was going to be stoned:
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John 8:1-11
King James Version
"8 Jesus went unto the mount of Olives.
2 And early in the morning he came again into the temple, and all the people came unto him; and he sat down, and taught them.
3 And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,
4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.
5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?
6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.
7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
8 And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.
9 And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.
10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more."
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Here is a video explaining why that isn't and shouldn't be the case today:
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Luke 5:32
"32 I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance."
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Romans 3:10
"10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:"
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Romans 3:23
King James Version
"23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;"
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1 Timothy 1:15
"15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief."
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But Jesus Christ came to save sinners, and all have sinned, and there are none righteous, and Timothy called himself the chief of sinners, so not only did Jesus Christ come into the world to save people who live in sin out of their sin and give them eternal life, but one of the apostles tells you he is the chief of sinners, so Jesus and Jesus' followers are not the ones saying to stone gay people.
However the Bible does say to repent of sin, which homosexual acts are ( they are talked about in Romans 1:20-32 ),
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Acts 3:19
“Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;”
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Romans 1:20-32
"20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them."
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Romans 6:23
"23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."
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Leviticus 20:1-2
"1 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
2 Again, thou shalt say to the children of Israel, Whosoever he be of the children of Israel, or of the strangers that sojourn in Israel, that giveth any of his seed unto Molech; he shall surely be put to death: the people of the land shall stone him with stones."
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However what I will post were some things that the Lord commanded to the people of Israel ( people of the land of Israel, descendants of the person named Israel, Genesis 32:28 ), at that time, to do with the conditions said in Leviticus 20:1-2 :
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Leviticus 20:13 - If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
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I want to also point out the punishment in that law for practicing slavery and cheating on your husband with adultery:
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Exodus 21:16
King James Version
"16 And he that stealeth a man, and selleth him, or if he be found in his hand, he shall surely be put to death."
Leviticus 20:10
“And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.”
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And I want to point out that Jesus saved a woman who commited adultery and was going to be stoned:
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John 8:1-11
King James Version
"8 Jesus went unto the mount of Olives.
2 And early in the morning he came again into the temple, and all the people came unto him; and he sat down, and taught them.
3 And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,
4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.
5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?
6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.
7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
8 And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.
9 And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.
10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more."
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Here is a video explaining why that isn't and shouldn't be the case today:
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Sorry, I was mistaken about it being a law of the ancient state of Israel, what is stated is that it was a commandment God gave to the children of Israel with the conditions mentioned in Leviticus 20:1-2
Jesus Christ came to save people and give them eternal life
You will never find a person or deity who loves gay people as much as God, Jesus, does, He loved them enough to die so they and us all can be free from death.
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Revelation 3:19
“As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.”
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And He said as many as He loves He chastens.
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Jesus Christ came to save people and give them eternal life
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You will never find a person or deity who loves gay people as much as God, Jesus, does, He loved them enough to die so they and us all can be free from death.
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Revelation 3:19
“As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.”
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And He said as many as He loves He chastens.
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Matthew 25:41
"41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:"
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Romans 6:23
"23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."
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The everlasting fire was prepared for the devil and his angels.
So what business does anyone have going there?
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Romans 10:9-10
"9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation."
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Romans 6:23
"23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."
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I sinned, I earned death
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Revelation 20:10-15
"10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire."
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Revelation 20:14 calls the lake of fire the second death.
I earned it.
But Jesus paid for my sins, and what do I have to do to go to heaven?
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Romans 10:9-10
"9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation."
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Confess the Lord and Jesus and believed God raised Him from the dead.
Do that and you are saved from hell, and not just saved from hell, but receive eternal life.
I agree with your take on Evangelicals.
Wtf?
Old testament shit. It's jewish stuff. What did Christ say to the people that wanted to stone Mary Magdalene?
Why? Because you ain't respectable. It's not about your condition or productivity. It's about how you deal with people here. You try to have a moral high ground on others while doing absolutely NOTHING at all. It's highly hypocritical.
My guy, that one is an atheist troll. He knows that marriage is between women and men. He knows that all the unmarried are invited to live in chastity. He just wants to bait people here. He does that every time Christianity is mentioned. For some reason, he doesn't say similar things about other religions. Go figure...
Wtf?
Old testament shit. It's jewish stuff. What did Christ say to the people that wanted to stone Mary Magdalene?
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Why? Because you ain't respectable. It's not about your condition or productivity. It's about how you deal with people here. You try to have a moral high ground on others while doing absolutely NOTHING at all. It's highly hypocritical.
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My guy, that one is an atheist troll. He knows that marriage is between women and men. He knows that all the unmarried are invited to live in chastity. He just wants to bait people here. He does that every time Christianity is mentioned. For some reason, he doesn't say similar things about other religions. Go figure...
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https://www.salon.com/2025/03/21/i-...st-stand-by-him-even-as-he-ruins-their-lives/
Because they’re stupid and incapable of admitting they’re wrong #SavedYouAClick
Because they’re stupid and incapable of admitting they’re wrong #SavedYouAClick
https://www.salon.com/2025/03/21/i-...st-stand-by-him-even-as-he-ruins-their-lives/
Because they’re stupid and incapable of admitting they’re wrong #SavedYouAClick
Because they’re stupid and incapable of admitting they’re wrong #SavedYouAClick
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@Ravagerblade do you agree with the article?
Thank you for coming back, this thread can finally reach its final form with you active
@Ravagerblade do you agree with the article?
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@Ravagerblade do you agree with the article?
You are confusing gaslight with a real question based on actual facts mate
It's completely about productivity: "while doing absolutely nothing at all" >> This is your words.
I've dealt with the accusation of 'not doing anything' for over a decade, you’re not fooling me here, mate. The idea is that because you picture me as completely passive, I’m somehow not legitimate in calling you out when you do harmful things. Like I told you, this isn’t the first time I’ve faced this kind of delegitimization.
If I hadn’t shared anything about my condition or my life, you wouldn’t have had anything to say, and you would have just found another excuse to avoid listening to me. This isn’t about me, my life, or my so-called passivity...
And I won’t tell you what I actually do, because it doesn’t matter. No matter how active I am in real life, you still wouldn’t take me seriously. I could be a politician or a street activist, and it wouldn’t change a thing. So in my case, you resort to the most obvious way society enables you to attack me: ableism.
It’s about you - and others here - refusing to accept that people like me are telling you that you sometimes use problematic rhetoric.
So, just like Van, you construct a fake persona of your political enemy (me). You build a giant strawman, depicting me as someone who supposedly wants the moral high ground, and then you criticize me for it. But, as always, you are mistaken.
I don’t care about being right or wrong - I’m not perfect and never will be. I have major flaws myself. I just want to live and interact with systems that don’t harm others. That’s not a difficult concept to grasp. And I am proof that this forum can hurt people - because it has hurt me through people like you already. That’s why I want to change things.
Well… rather, I wanted to. Because I don’t think it’s possible for me to do this alone anymore..
Sadly this is the same reasonning as people under fascism.. they think that people with less priviledges will be attacked before they are and they are fine with that.
It's a component of all systems of oppressions combined.
But they will be...
It's completely about productivity: "while doing absolutely nothing at all" >> This is your words.
I've dealt with the accusation of 'not doing anything' for over a decade, you’re not fooling me here, mate. The idea is that because you picture me as completely passive, I’m somehow not legitimate in calling you out when you do harmful things. Like I told you, this isn’t the first time I’ve faced this kind of delegitimization.
If I hadn’t shared anything about my condition or my life, you wouldn’t have had anything to say, and you would have just found another excuse to avoid listening to me. This isn’t about me, my life, or my so-called passivity...
And I won’t tell you what I actually do, because it doesn’t matter. No matter how active I am in real life, you still wouldn’t take me seriously. I could be a politician or a street activist, and it wouldn’t change a thing. So in my case, you resort to the most obvious way society enables you to attack me: ableism.
It’s about you - and others here - refusing to accept that people like me are telling you that you sometimes use problematic rhetoric.
So, just like Van, you construct a fake persona of your political enemy (me). You build a giant strawman, depicting me as someone who supposedly wants the moral high ground, and then you criticize me for it. But, as always, you are mistaken.
I don’t care about being right or wrong - I’m not perfect and never will be. I have major flaws myself. I just want to live and interact with systems that don’t harm others. That’s not a difficult concept to grasp. And I am proof that this forum can hurt people - because it has hurt me through people like you already. That’s why I want to change things.
Well… rather, I wanted to. Because I don’t think it’s possible for me to do this alone anymore..
https://www.salon.com/2025/03/21/i-...st-stand-by-him-even-as-he-ruins-their-lives/
Because they’re stupid and incapable of admitting they’re wrong #SavedYouAClick
Because they’re stupid and incapable of admitting they’re wrong #SavedYouAClick
It's a component of all systems of oppressions combined.
But they will be...