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I'm mixing in jokes with serious talk cause you are the new clown in town. I don't take YOU seriously. You are just a troll.
Anyone can criticize anyone. Accusing people of crimes is called defamation.
It is a crime in many nations. If you can't prove people are criminals, you should mind your tongue.
Your reasoning proves me you are either a teenager or you are extremely stupid. Not even C4N was THIS dumb.
I will ask again: Prove just one crime Bukele has done.
God i miss C4N.
Anyone can criticize anyone. Accusing people of crimes is called defamation.
It is a crime in many nations. If you can't prove people are criminals, you should mind your tongue.
Your reasoning proves me you are either a teenager or you are extremely stupid. Not even C4N was THIS dumb.
I will ask again: Prove just one crime Bukele has done.
God i miss C4N.
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The fact is sometimes people can claim unrivaled authority and attack democracy while also using things people support to do it. People like @NAMELESS are too busy jerking off over “HERO!!!!!!” To allow people to dare warn of the obvious
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No authoritarian leader has ever claimed power through legal routes. You got me. He was allowed legally to arrest dissenters, like how Trump is allowed to do anything if it’s an official act as president and is not allowed to be prosecuted.
Bukele has eroded checks and balances against him. This has nothing to do with if he’s a hero or not, sorry. And if you will only accept him committing a crime on the books in El Salvador to prove he’s leaning towards auth then you don’t know what the words mean in the first place
Fact is if any of it was about what you say it is and he’s such a hero he wouldn’t be parlaying it into making his country the center of international imprisonment
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No authoritarian leader has ever claimed power through legal routes. You got me. He was allowed legally to arrest dissenters, like how Trump is allowed to do anything if it’s an official act as president and is not allowed to be prosecuted.
Bukele has eroded checks and balances against him. This has nothing to do with if he’s a hero or not, sorry. And if you will only accept him committing a crime on the books in El Salvador to prove he’s leaning towards auth then you don’t know what the words mean in the first place
Fact is if any of it was about what you say it is and he’s such a hero he wouldn’t be parlaying it into making his country the center of international imprisonment
If you are not man enough to quote me directly. Stay out of this.
No, lil bro, articles on the web ain't proof of shit. This is what legal proof is:
"In a criminal trial, proof of a crime requires the prosecution to present evidence that establishes each element of the offense beyond a reasonable doubt. This means the evidence must be so compelling that there is no reasonable doubt in the minds of the judge or jury that the defendant committed the crime. The prosecution bears the burden of proof, meaning the defendant is presumed innocent until proven guilty.
Here's a breakdown of what constitutes proof of a crime:
1. Establishing the Elements of the Offense:
So, you got dead bodies, documents, video footage of these "Death Camps"? Don't be lazy, just post them here.
No, lil bro, articles on the web ain't proof of shit. This is what legal proof is:
"In a criminal trial, proof of a crime requires the prosecution to present evidence that establishes each element of the offense beyond a reasonable doubt. This means the evidence must be so compelling that there is no reasonable doubt in the minds of the judge or jury that the defendant committed the crime. The prosecution bears the burden of proof, meaning the defendant is presumed innocent until proven guilty.
Here's a breakdown of what constitutes proof of a crime:
1. Establishing the Elements of the Offense:
- Actus Reus:
The prosecution must prove the defendant committed the criminal act (or omission, in some cases). This requires demonstrating the physical act was voluntary, intentional, and unlawful. - Mens Rea:
The prosecution must also prove the defendant had the required mental state (intent) to commit the crime. This can involve proving intent, recklessness, or negligence, depending on the specific crime. - Causation:
The prosecution must show a link between the defendant's actions and the harm caused.
- Direct Evidence:
This type of evidence directly proves a fact, such as a video recording of the crime or a witness who saw the defendant commit the act.
- Circumstantial Evidence:
This evidence suggests guilt, but requires the jury to make an inference. For example, if a defendant's fingerprints are found at the scene of a crime, that's circumstantial evidence.
- Physical Evidence:
This includes tangible items like weapons, clothing, or DNA samples found at the scene.
- Documentary Evidence:
This includes written or recorded materials, such as contracts, emails, or police reports.
- Testimonial Evidence:
This is evidence given by witnesses, including eyewitness testimony or expert testimony.
- Beyond a Reasonable Doubt:
The prosecution's burden of proof in a criminal case is the highest standard in law, requiring them to prove the defendant's guilt to a level where there is no reasonable doubt.
- Presumption of Innocence:
The defendant is presumed innocent until proven guilty. The burden of proof rests on the prosecution, not the defendant.
- Eyewitness Testimony: A person who saw the crime occur and can identify the perpetrator.
- Forensic Evidence: DNA analysis, fingerprints, ballistics reports, or toxicology results.
- Confessions: Statements made by the defendant admitting guilt.
- Surveillance Footage: Recordings from security cameras or body cameras.
- Police Reports: Documents detailing the police investigation.
So, you got dead bodies, documents, video footage of these "Death Camps"? Don't be lazy, just post them here.
Fact is if you are already denying that anyone who isn’t a gangster from El Salvador has ever been there you are too far gone. “Death camps” is a logical extreme and always was, to paint to the potential danger. But yeah, it’s guaranteed plenty die forgotten in there, are you retarded or something lol? Yes it’s clear when Trump sells prisoners there it isn’t because he cares if they’re kept alive. Do you care? I know you don’t. I consider a place where people are thrown away to die, where despite proof of some wrongful arrests you claim they’re for sure all gangsters because in vids they have tats, and the conditions are bad enough people die inside regularly and they have to roll out North Korea style “see how this guys eating at a restaurant” videos to pretend it isn’t happening akin to a death camps, yeah. If the distinction is just “nuh uh they’re not killed just we don’t care if they die and uhhh I have a propaganda video of a guy eating at a restaurant as bukele has a plastered on smoke to prove actually they eat well” I don’t think you’re anything but a retard who doesn’t care anyway if it is death.
Sure no gas chambers but I’ve got a bridge to sell you if you think the prisoners lives are given two shits about, and especially if you think it won’t get worse once he starts getting paid to take more prisoners from around the world. Still haven’t gotten a word on how that part is so good for the people of El Salvador…
And again if your proof of a dictator is “they need to be able to be charged” Putin is not a dictator.
Sure no gas chambers but I’ve got a bridge to sell you if you think the prisoners lives are given two shits about, and especially if you think it won’t get worse once he starts getting paid to take more prisoners from around the world. Still haven’t gotten a word on how that part is so good for the people of El Salvador…
And again if your proof of a dictator is “they need to be able to be charged” Putin is not a dictator.
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The countries mentioned before have social welfare policies as well. I don't think you can nail down all social welfare as a cause for stagnation
hell America is a welfare state
On the other comment you made yes there are people who have doomer "society is at fault" mentality on the left, but it is just as you have right wingers who base their politics to "own the libs". Like cutting welfare programs don't also hurt poor republicans for example.
hell America is a welfare state
On the other comment you made yes there are people who have doomer "society is at fault" mentality on the left, but it is just as you have right wingers who base their politics to "own the libs". Like cutting welfare programs don't also hurt poor republicans for example.
Not an hour ago you said no innocents were in there because you can just look at a vid and they’ve all got tats. Lmfao
If the prisoners are tossed in and packed like rats then that’s not just le normal every prison has deaths. They are set up to encourage deaths, deaths aren’t prevented, medical care is often not given, etc. and people don’t normally die of just like malnourishment and shit in prison if they’re not being starved. Most of the deaths go unreported and if they are no cause is given: not every prison.
If first no innocents are there and now it’s “yeah but it doesn’t matter” I know that the fact of the matter is you just don’t care as long as the criminals are gone. I can put myself in the shoes of the wrongfully arrested who die in jail. To you they are a sacrifice you’re willing to make. I guess we are just different kinds of people. When I hear that credible reports of denial of food and water and wrongful imprisonments are occurring, I can’t just jerk off over the guy being a hero and say they had to die for the sake of clean streets when the fact is if those two things happen then by definition innocents are being denied due process and human rights.
I guess I can’t provide the smoking gun that will make it matter if it doesn’t actually matter that innocents get arrested and face human rights abuses. To me, the solution is easy; less human rights abuses. To you, you say “YOU HAVE NO HUMAN RIGHTS!” Because you can look at a video and they all have tats, so they must all deserve it.
If the prisoners are tossed in and packed like rats then that’s not just le normal every prison has deaths. They are set up to encourage deaths, deaths aren’t prevented, medical care is often not given, etc. and people don’t normally die of just like malnourishment and shit in prison if they’re not being starved. Most of the deaths go unreported and if they are no cause is given: not every prison.
If first no innocents are there and now it’s “yeah but it doesn’t matter” I know that the fact of the matter is you just don’t care as long as the criminals are gone. I can put myself in the shoes of the wrongfully arrested who die in jail. To you they are a sacrifice you’re willing to make. I guess we are just different kinds of people. When I hear that credible reports of denial of food and water and wrongful imprisonments are occurring, I can’t just jerk off over the guy being a hero and say they had to die for the sake of clean streets when the fact is if those two things happen then by definition innocents are being denied due process and human rights.
I guess I can’t provide the smoking gun that will make it matter if it doesn’t actually matter that innocents get arrested and face human rights abuses. To me, the solution is easy; less human rights abuses. To you, you say “YOU HAVE NO HUMAN RIGHTS!” Because you can look at a video and they all have tats, so they must all deserve it.
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Can we agree that you can have social welfare programs without excessive bureocracy and taxation?
Some places in Europe have like 40% or more income tax. This is ridiculous. Taxation and Bureaucracy make it so the little guys can create their own businesses and compete.
So you either get a job or you end up living of a welfare check. Excessive assistencialism can mean slavery.If goverments don't create programs to incentive people to either seek work or create a business, this is modern slavery in my book. They are forcing people to depend on the govermnent one way or the other.
This is my problem with social democracy: Good old create problems to offer solutions. By using the excuse creating of equality and fighting off poverty, they alianete people from the possibility of fending off for themselves. The tools for this are taxes and bureaucracy.
I remember when i was 18 and i tried to get a license to work. It took me almost an entire year. I remember my father commented it took him 15min back in his day. This was 11 years ago, now it's even worse. Ofc, Brazilian gov loves the poor. They OWN the poor.
Some places in Europe have like 40% or more income tax. This is ridiculous. Taxation and Bureaucracy make it so the little guys can create their own businesses and compete.
So you either get a job or you end up living of a welfare check. Excessive assistencialism can mean slavery.If goverments don't create programs to incentive people to either seek work or create a business, this is modern slavery in my book. They are forcing people to depend on the govermnent one way or the other.
This is my problem with social democracy: Good old create problems to offer solutions. By using the excuse creating of equality and fighting off poverty, they alianete people from the possibility of fending off for themselves. The tools for this are taxes and bureaucracy.
I remember when i was 18 and i tried to get a license to work. It took me almost an entire year. I remember my father commented it took him 15min back in his day. This was 11 years ago, now it's even worse. Ofc, Brazilian gov loves the poor. They OWN the poor.
“Anyone that knows what a gang member looks like in Latin America and that has seen footage of El Salvador prisons knows that there isn't a single civillian in those places. Why? Cause all gang members ink themselves with certain tatoos to display their status within crime.”
The final proof that you are a disingenuous motherfucker lol
The final proof that you are a disingenuous motherfucker lol
So you can’t even read what I’m saying, huh?
Lemme spell it out for you again slowly this time. You start off with “there are no innocents.” Not an hour later you shamelessly switch to “of course there are innocents but it doesn’t matter.” You are a disingenuous person.
I’m not even speaking about if tattoos are good or not. I’m just saying that you contradict yourself as you breathe. Are they all criminals because the vids show tats or are there obviously innocents and they don’t matter? They are two opposite arguments, one is that the government acts with extreme discretion, the other is that they arrest people based on appearance and get it wrong but it doesn’t matter. I’d just like clarification.
Because it sounds like you’re confirming what I’ve always thought, that you don’t really have skin in the authoritarian or not game, you just are in a cult and have to suck off your hero even when it means changing your arguments in a matter of minutes and pretending you didn’t.
Lemme spell it out for you again slowly this time. You start off with “there are no innocents.” Not an hour later you shamelessly switch to “of course there are innocents but it doesn’t matter.” You are a disingenuous person.
I’m not even speaking about if tattoos are good or not. I’m just saying that you contradict yourself as you breathe. Are they all criminals because the vids show tats or are there obviously innocents and they don’t matter? They are two opposite arguments, one is that the government acts with extreme discretion, the other is that they arrest people based on appearance and get it wrong but it doesn’t matter. I’d just like clarification.
Because it sounds like you’re confirming what I’ve always thought, that you don’t really have skin in the authoritarian or not game, you just are in a cult and have to suck off your hero even when it means changing your arguments in a matter of minutes and pretending you didn’t.
Whataboutism and strawmanning again. The estimation is that about 10% of the people that go to jail in America are actually innocents. So, should judges stop giving out sentences cause they can make mistakes? Plz, stop making a fool of yourself. How is it you want to be taken seriously by behaving like this? I think you are actually hysterical. You write with wayyyy too much passion. Try the grounding technique i taught you. You need to touch some grass. Remember: We can only bitch about these things. Bitching never solves anything. Words to live by.
Yes, I would say judges should be more wary to give out the death penalty in states with a History of wrongfully killing innocents
I never expected you to take me seriously. I never took you as a person who wasn’t lying either, bro.
Again, btw: your thing about “ree calm down bro” is a deflection from the fact you are a proven disingenuous fuck lol
I never expected you to take me seriously. I never took you as a person who wasn’t lying either, bro.
Again, btw: your thing about “ree calm down bro” is a deflection from the fact you are a proven disingenuous fuck lol