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You’re a sweetheart, Dr. Ali, but after this bill bullshit, I’m even less inclined to start a family and my wife feels the same way 
What they died for was right and it was brave, but
it didn’t stop the Holocaust, nor did it stop the regime.
I think there is something admirable about those who die for an ideal. But also I think the concept of martyrdom is quite toxic. There is an element of foolishness in it that I think society fails to realize.
human life is very important and people shouldn’t give it up, nor encourage others to give it up, lightly.
Ultimately life is complicated. There are times when one must fight and there are times it’s better not too. Personally I’d be extremely hesitant to throw my life away if I wasn’t certain it would make a significant difference.
perhaps those people had a bigger impact, haven’t read too much about them
but in school I did read about the German college students who handed out anti-nazi pamphlets and got executed for it
there cause was righteous and it is good society honors people such as that, to uphold the values they died for
I suppose that is the meaning of their death. So they can be an example of virtue or something.
but I just really struggle with the idea of people throwing away their lives on whims like that. People shouldn’t be dispensable like that.
Perhaps there will come a day and time I will need to fight for my nation. I cannot say what I would do then, but I hope I do the right thing, whatever that might be.
What I can say, is that time is surely not now.
it didn’t stop the Holocaust, nor did it stop the regime.
I think there is something admirable about those who die for an ideal. But also I think the concept of martyrdom is quite toxic. There is an element of foolishness in it that I think society fails to realize.
human life is very important and people shouldn’t give it up, nor encourage others to give it up, lightly.
Ultimately life is complicated. There are times when one must fight and there are times it’s better not too. Personally I’d be extremely hesitant to throw my life away if I wasn’t certain it would make a significant difference.
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perhaps those people had a bigger impact, haven’t read too much about them
but in school I did read about the German college students who handed out anti-nazi pamphlets and got executed for it
there cause was righteous and it is good society honors people such as that, to uphold the values they died for
I suppose that is the meaning of their death. So they can be an example of virtue or something.
but I just really struggle with the idea of people throwing away their lives on whims like that. People shouldn’t be dispensable like that.
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Perhaps there will come a day and time I will need to fight for my nation. I cannot say what I would do then, but I hope I do the right thing, whatever that might be.
What I can say, is that time is surely not now.
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Probably not…like I said, it’s not just a financial matter; I don’t think I have it in me to be a good father, and I’d rather not bring a child into the world if I can’t give it the life it deserves 
You realize there are smarter ways to be useful in such a scenario, right? There were people literally infiltrating concentration camps to scout things in there.
Probably not…like I said, it’s not just a financial matter; I don’t think I have it in me to be a good father, and I’d rather not bring a child into the world if I can’t give it the life it deserves
I believe that an immigrant has more duties than a natural born citisen, starting from the fact that the citizen is part of a culture that immigrant want to be part of, so as a starting point the immigrant owes to the country that hosts me.
I find repugnant immigrating and spitting on the values that allowed you to built your life, and extremely entitled.
Do it now man, the later the more issues you can have.
I find repugnant immigrating and spitting on the values that allowed you to built your life, and extremely entitled.
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Do it now man, the later the more issues you can have.
It’s a nuanced subject. Do you believe you should become an atheist if you move to a country like Japan? You should respect culture and traditions, and never impose your traditions on your host country.
idk where you’re from but on this side of the world, most of us aren’t native to these lands. America is a mishmash of cultures and it will continue to absorb different traditions in the future. Same goes to almost every country in this continent. It was not that big of an issue for me in the first place since my culture and values have always been “western” in nature.
idk where you’re from but on this side of the world, most of us aren’t native to these lands. America is a mishmash of cultures and it will continue to absorb different traditions in the future. Same goes to almost every country in this continent. It was not that big of an issue for me in the first place since my culture and values have always been “western” in nature.
I prefer not to dox myself, sorry if it's a bit psychotic.
Let's say I am from EU.
Most us immigrants come from community that share the same catolic/cristian set of values, the modern crisis of the clash of cultures is a first seen phenomenon on this scale.
Now we have people with culture clashing orthogonal with each other and no shared set of values living together, and we pretend that diversity is strength, when community are vanishing and everyone is more isolated than ever.
Just 500 years ago there were religion wars in Europe, imagine.
Let's say I am from EU.
Most us immigrants come from community that share the same catolic/cristian set of values, the modern crisis of the clash of cultures is a first seen phenomenon on this scale.
Now we have people with culture clashing orthogonal with each other and no shared set of values living together, and we pretend that diversity is strength, when community are vanishing and everyone is more isolated than ever.
Just 500 years ago there were religion wars in Europe, imagine.
Within the same nations take England, the set of values was shared.
We have countries like Italy or Germany that have no cohesion because they have been created only in the last 200 years and for centuries had different cultures, but at the same time religion was practically the same, along with the core values.
Sounds a bit shitty to say, but all europe participated to crusades, despite countries being at war with each other a few years later over protestant vs catholics.
We have countries like Italy or Germany that have no cohesion because they have been created only in the last 200 years and for centuries had different cultures, but at the same time religion was practically the same, along with the core values.
Sounds a bit shitty to say, but all europe participated to crusades, despite countries being at war with each other a few years later over protestant vs catholics.
Forced onto people, superficial.
Once the church lost most of their political power, see how the people abandoned these institutions 😂
Now everybody can openly talk about priests abusing children and nuns, embezzlement and grotesque wasting of funds, brainwashing believers into giving their hard earned money to the church to save their souls as well as those of already deceases family members from hell and using it to build lavish pompous cathedrals;and the century long spiritual and psychological abuse the church used to control everyone.
Common values my rear😂
All we had in common was our abuser
Once the church lost most of their political power, see how the people abandoned these institutions 😂
Now everybody can openly talk about priests abusing children and nuns, embezzlement and grotesque wasting of funds, brainwashing believers into giving their hard earned money to the church to save their souls as well as those of already deceases family members from hell and using it to build lavish pompous cathedrals;and the century long spiritual and psychological abuse the church used to control everyone.
Common values my rear😂
All we had in common was our abuser
Calling church the abuser when it was the only institution that preserved Greek and Roman literature is a strange take.
History is history, there are no simple roles in describing 1000 years after a millenary empire fell.
The same way you say the church "abused" we could argue roman abused the whole continent, but they also brought fresh water and roads and laws.
Saying that the contribution of Catholic church is a net negative is for me wrong, but I understand that's a complicated topic.
Just saying that without the church, we would have enough lost aristoteles, plato and the origin of western culture.
History is history, there are no simple roles in describing 1000 years after a millenary empire fell.
The same way you say the church "abused" we could argue roman abused the whole continent, but they also brought fresh water and roads and laws.
Saying that the contribution of Catholic church is a net negative is for me wrong, but I understand that's a complicated topic.
Just saying that without the church, we would have enough lost aristoteles, plato and the origin of western culture.