catolic/cristian set of values
You mean Roman values those perverted cunts

Now we have people with culture clashing orthogonal with each other and no shared set of values living together
We never truly had this, imperial religions might have mislead you and others into thinking the nations of Europe have more in common than they do not but this has always been superficial
 
You mean Roman values those perverted cunts


We never truly had this, imperial religions might have mislead you and others into thinking the nations of Europe have more in common than they do not but this has always been superficial
Within the same nations take England, the set of values was shared.
We have countries like Italy or Germany that have no cohesion because they have been created only in the last 200 years and for centuries had different cultures, but at the same time religion was practically the same, along with the core values.
Sounds a bit shitty to say, but all europe participated to crusades, despite countries being at war with each other a few years later over protestant vs catholics.
 
religion was practically the same, along with the core values.
Forced onto people, superficial.
Once the church lost most of their political power, see how the people abandoned these institutions 😂
Now everybody can openly talk about priests abusing children and nuns, embezzlement and grotesque wasting of funds, brainwashing believers into giving their hard earned money to the church to save their souls as well as those of already deceases family members from hell and using it to build lavish pompous cathedrals;and the century long spiritual and psychological abuse the church used to control everyone.
Common values my rear😂
All we had in common was our abuser
 
Forced onto people, superficial.
Once the church lost most of their political power, see how the people abandoned these institutions 😂
Now everybody can openly talk about priests abusing children and nuns, embezzlement and grotesque wasting of funds, brainwashing believers into giving their hard earned money to the church to save their souls as well as those of already deceases family members from hell and using it to build lavish pompous cathedrals;and the century long spiritual and psychological abuse the church used to control everyone.
Common values my rear😂
All we had in common was our abuser
Calling church the abuser when it was the only institution that preserved Greek and Roman literature is a strange take.
History is history, there are no simple roles in describing 1000 years after a millenary empire fell.
The same way you say the church "abused" we could argue roman abused the whole continent, but they also brought fresh water and roads and laws.
Saying that the contribution of Catholic church is a net negative is for me wrong, but I understand that's a complicated topic.
Just saying that without the church, we would have enough lost aristoteles, plato and the origin of western culture.
 
Calling church the abuser when it was the only institution that preserved Greek and Roman literature is a strange take.
History is history, there are no simple roles in describing 1000 years after a millenary empire fell.
The same way you say the church "abused" we could argue roman abused the whole continent, but they also brought fresh water and roads and laws.
Saying that the contribution of Catholic church is a net negative is for me wrong, but I understand that's a complicated topic.
Just saying that without the church, we would have enough lost aristoteles, plato and the origin of western culture.
I get it now. You’re just like brush d teeth.
 
I find repugnant immigrating and spitting on the values that allowed you to built your life, and extremely entitled.
This is unironically what the American right does.

Trump is putting immigrants in cages and sending them to torture camps despite the fact that he himself is from an immigrant family. His grandfather was from Germany, his mother was from Scotland, and his wives are Eastern European.

Not to mention the utter disdain he has for century old American institutions.
 
This is unironically what the American right does.

Trump is putting immigrants in cages and sending them to torture camps despite the fact that he himself is from an immigrant family. His grandmother was from Germany, his mother was from Scotland, and his wives are Eastern European.

Not to mention the utter disdain he has for century old American institutions.
Legal immigration is different from illegal immigration.
 
Calling church the abuser when it was the only institution that preserved Greek and Roman literature is a strange take.
History is history, there are no simple roles in describing 1000 years after a millenary empire fell.
The same way you say the church "abused" we could argue roman abused the whole continent, but they also brought fresh water and roads and laws.
Saying that the contribution of Catholic church is a net negative is for me wrong, but I understand that's a complicated topic.
Just saying that without the church, we would have enough lost aristoteles, plato and the origin of western culture.
One of the first institutions to promove charity, free health care, education, universities, hospitals, science, law, arts and so on... but pedo priests somehow erase all of the good.
 
Calling church the abuser when it was the only institution that preserved Greek and Roman literature is a strange take.
History is history, there are no simple roles in describing 1000 years after a millenary empire fell.
The same way you say the church "abused" we could argue roman abused the whole continent, but they also brought fresh water and roads and laws.
Saying that the contribution of Catholic church is a net negative is for me wrong, but I understand that's a complicated topic.
Just saying that without the church, we would have enough lost aristoteles, plato and the origin of western culture.
Dude, are you Christian?
 
Religious xenophobe that hates America. In his case he secretly wants to be American and loves Trump but I don’t think your beliefs overlap in that regard.
But I am an atheist?
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Dude, are you Christian?
As I just said, I am an atheist.
I just don't like playing at good guys vs bad guys when talking about history, because only ignorant fools can pretend that there is only black and white in most cases.
 
But I am an atheist?
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As I just said, I am an atheist.
I just don't like playing at good guys vs bad guys when talking about history, because only ignorant fools can pretend that there is only black and white in most cases.
Ok, this is perfectly reasonable way to think. The Church did both good and bad. Problem is that it's popular nowadays to hate on everything related to Christianism.
 
So are you one of those “cultural Christian” guys?
Yeah I do not feel I am saying anything shocking, Toby acts like the church was something demon army that razed europe to the ground
I haven’t said anything about the church. I’m not a fan, and I do think it’s an outdated institution. But I never said it destroyed Europe. At least not in modern times.
 
So are you one of those “cultural Christian” guys?

I haven’t said anything about the church. I’m not a fan, and I do think it’s an outdated institution. But I never said it destroyed Europe. At least not in modern times.
Outdated? You have any idea how many people depend on the Church's charity institutions world wide?
 
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