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And you sound biased. My wife is a foreigner of a different ethnicity. That definitely makes me a xenophobe 
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You're a disingenuous actor. I have no issues with foreigners. I have issues with migrants who do not integrate. Especially migrants that refuse to properly integrate, utilise a country like an economic zone, but would never welcome people in their own country for the same purpose - you know, like Pakistan, who expels Afghans:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c74z19pl7wgo
.You're a disingenuous actor. I have no issues with foreigners. I have issues with migrants who do not integrate. Especially migrants that refuse to properly integrate, utilise a country like an economic zone, but would never welcome people in their own country for the same purpose - you know, like Pakistan, who expels Afghans:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c74z19pl7wgo
This guy is a xenophobe as well
You mean the Pakistan state
Racism is mostly a white man issue but intolerance is a mankind problem.
However, I do not respect individuals who wish to use us as an economic zone. Who actively mock the British way of life and create parallel societies. Regardless of how much you try to claim otherwise, they absolutely exist. Modern day migration is predominantly of this variety. To be against it is natural.
Racism is not exclusively white.
Intolerance is a natural reaction towards those who have shown they undermine your way of life and mock your values and traditions.
As for your comment about 'The Pakistan State' you simply need to meet more people who live there. I have the luxury of this, and know it is rather well supported by the general populace, and good for them - they should secure their borders, and so should we.
Not for me
Not really. All cutlture are the children of other culture and within each culture resides a multitude of cultures.
The world is not a bloc. It's fluid. Always changing.
And even they have multiple types of culture wihin their nation.
I believe the opposite. A population that keeps "inbreeding" physically, ethically and socially can only destroy itself or at the very least, lost itself completely. Just like we are not made to stay alone or never meet other people, on the macro scale, population are not made to never reach out of their social boundary.
Eventually, people will want to reach out outward. And this is a good thing.
It will gladly never happen. By essence, a culture is shaped by space and time. Meaning that through space and through time, a culture divide itself and evolve. So by definition and unless you plan to create a culture within a state of a city wide diameter, you will always live in a country with multiple types of cultures.
Yes, but I'm not talking about "borders" here. I'm talking about the concept of borders over patriotism and nationalism. THese notions are recent. They were constructed during the period of the French revolution.
What existed before that was rather a form of tribalism, not nationalism, which is kind of specific to out capitalist era.
Like?
I don't believe to be smart or that I know a lot more than you, but I do believe that science gave me a understanding of the world allowing me not to be afraid of other and to dream - rationnally - about a collectivist world.
If this is the "light" you are talking about, it is true.
PErhaps if you saw them simply as people who try to survive, you wouldn't try to reject them? I don't know.. I'm not in your head.
Technically it is
Also non-white people can be racist.
(simply not against white people)
Not really. All cutlture are the children of other culture and within each culture resides a multitude of cultures.
The world is not a bloc. It's fluid. Always changing.
And even they have multiple types of culture wihin their nation.
I believe the opposite. A population that keeps "inbreeding" physically, ethically and socially can only destroy itself or at the very least, lost itself completely. Just like we are not made to stay alone or never meet other people, on the macro scale, population are not made to never reach out of their social boundary.
Eventually, people will want to reach out outward. And this is a good thing.
It will gladly never happen. By essence, a culture is shaped by space and time. Meaning that through space and through time, a culture divide itself and evolve. So by definition and unless you plan to create a culture within a state of a city wide diameter, you will always live in a country with multiple types of cultures.
Yes, but I'm not talking about "borders" here. I'm talking about the concept of borders over patriotism and nationalism. THese notions are recent. They were constructed during the period of the French revolution.
What existed before that was rather a form of tribalism, not nationalism, which is kind of specific to out capitalist era.
Like?
I don't believe to be smart or that I know a lot more than you, but I do believe that science gave me a understanding of the world allowing me not to be afraid of other and to dream - rationnally - about a collectivist world.
If this is the "light" you are talking about, it is true.
PErhaps if you saw them simply as people who try to survive, you wouldn't try to reject them? I don't know.. I'm not in your head.
Technically it is
Also non-white people can be racist.
(simply not against white people)
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You see, I was wondering because I'd heard a few arabic individuals using a word that sounded similar to that... huh.
Nope. They're still trying to leech off the accomplishments of others, draining systems they did not build and damaging the local culture through in-group preferences whilst calling the native population racist if they try to do the same.
And a predominant culture of Han Chinese. I am not saying no other cultures can exist, but there must be a culture that is dominant and respected within the region. There have almost always been small levels of immigration, but these do not cause major social or demographic change within a nation.
Not true.
Curious question, Logiko. Are you ethnically French? You mentioned being from immigrants.
Nope. They're still trying to leech off the accomplishments of others, draining systems they did not build and damaging the local culture through in-group preferences whilst calling the native population racist if they try to do the same.
And a predominant culture of Han Chinese. I am not saying no other cultures can exist, but there must be a culture that is dominant and respected within the region. There have almost always been small levels of immigration, but these do not cause major social or demographic change within a nation.
Not true.
Curious question, Logiko. Are you ethnically French? You mentioned being from immigrants.
You "know" or you "think" ?
Did you get out of your environment where people are asshole to check if the majority of migrants were like that, or are you simply assuming based on your experience and what you can see on the news?
Because I can tell you that if I take my personnal vision, the words of activists trying to help these people, my own family being activily in touch with migrant in difficult situation and scholars who have researched the subject... I have absolutely the opposite feeling.
(being that people are simply trying to survive and make no wave)
I don't think that a culture is not something we should "respect" just because we should respect it. To me, this vision is a circular thinking process with no basis.
On the other hand, I believe that we should share our culture. And while there will always be a culture that will be shared more than others, there are no reason to consider it as a "dominant culture".
I think seeing cultures through the prism of power domination is the best way to create and perpetuate dominations. Cultures should be seen as ever fluid systems that can evolve and be shared without the use of power relationships or oppressive mindset. A population shouldn't have to think that their own culture is more legitimate than others.
While there are ethics that should be respected everywhere, I don't believe that cultures should be opposed. They are usually more interesting and more constructive or creative together.
Allowing ourselves to dive into another culture or language usually allows us to change our perspective and grow. If I hadn't learn english I wouldn't be picturing the world the same way today. BY learning this language, I broaden my horizon. And now, by trying to learn more about the complexities of other south global cultures without a orientalist mindset, I'm trying to look beyondmy westerner preconceptions.
As I said, I believe that we should all embrass alterity
I am fully french, I'm just a second generation product of immigration. Mainly from people fleeing fascism from the south.
Did you get out of your environment where people are asshole to check if the majority of migrants were like that, or are you simply assuming based on your experience and what you can see on the news?
Because I can tell you that if I take my personnal vision, the words of activists trying to help these people, my own family being activily in touch with migrant in difficult situation and scholars who have researched the subject... I have absolutely the opposite feeling.
(being that people are simply trying to survive and make no wave)
I don't think that a culture is not something we should "respect" just because we should respect it. To me, this vision is a circular thinking process with no basis.
On the other hand, I believe that we should share our culture. And while there will always be a culture that will be shared more than others, there are no reason to consider it as a "dominant culture".
I think seeing cultures through the prism of power domination is the best way to create and perpetuate dominations. Cultures should be seen as ever fluid systems that can evolve and be shared without the use of power relationships or oppressive mindset. A population shouldn't have to think that their own culture is more legitimate than others.
While there are ethics that should be respected everywhere, I don't believe that cultures should be opposed. They are usually more interesting and more constructive or creative together.
Allowing ourselves to dive into another culture or language usually allows us to change our perspective and grow. If I hadn't learn english I wouldn't be picturing the world the same way today. BY learning this language, I broaden my horizon. And now, by trying to learn more about the complexities of other south global cultures without a orientalist mindset, I'm trying to look beyondmy westerner preconceptions.
As I said, I believe that we should all embrass alterity
I am fully french, I'm just a second generation product of immigration. Mainly from people fleeing fascism from the south.
Couldn't confidently say, but they were from the African continent - immigrants, not black British.
What does this mean? How can you be a second generation immigrant if you are fully French, unless you mean you're a French citizen? Or are you saying your family fled from southern France?
Your argument hinges on the idea that 'you cannot experience everything, therefore everything is subjective. There is a greater truth you cannot see.'
I have travelled all over my country, Logiko. I am a very social person who has friends from all over. Whilst it is not unilateral, and there are some good experiences, the majority of people I've met share similar sentiments - albeit, a little quieter than I.
The reality is, the migrants that tend to cause the most problems are from Africa and the Middle-East. These groups do not seem to want to assimilate unlike European and East Asian immigrants. These groups tend to make ghettos and parallel societies a lot more frequently. Of course, there is the odd 'China Town' as well, but it's far less common in the UK.
We simply won't agree on this point, so let us stop.
Here is the crux of the problem, Logiko. It is not because you 'should' respect it by the nature of it's existence. You should respect a culture that was kind enough to take you in and look after you. The fact that you cannot comprehend that is part of the problem.
Showing proper respect for your benefactors is natural behaviour. If you cannot see that, then once again, we are simply too ideologically different to reach a point of understanding.
I respect any bilingual person for learning another. I am near fluent in Korean because I want my kids to learn their mother's tongue.
What does this mean? How can you be a second generation immigrant if you are fully French, unless you mean you're a French citizen? Or are you saying your family fled from southern France?
Your argument hinges on the idea that 'you cannot experience everything, therefore everything is subjective. There is a greater truth you cannot see.'
I have travelled all over my country, Logiko. I am a very social person who has friends from all over. Whilst it is not unilateral, and there are some good experiences, the majority of people I've met share similar sentiments - albeit, a little quieter than I.
The reality is, the migrants that tend to cause the most problems are from Africa and the Middle-East. These groups do not seem to want to assimilate unlike European and East Asian immigrants. These groups tend to make ghettos and parallel societies a lot more frequently. Of course, there is the odd 'China Town' as well, but it's far less common in the UK.
We simply won't agree on this point, so let us stop.
Here is the crux of the problem, Logiko. It is not because you 'should' respect it by the nature of it's existence. You should respect a culture that was kind enough to take you in and look after you. The fact that you cannot comprehend that is part of the problem.
Showing proper respect for your benefactors is natural behaviour. If you cannot see that, then once again, we are simply too ideologically different to reach a point of understanding.
I respect any bilingual person for learning another. I am near fluent in Korean because I want my kids to learn their mother's tongue.