I never once said Christians do not. Never once did I state it was a wholly Islamic thing. In fact, it is present in a lot of Abrahamic religions.

Whilst there are certainly gripes the middle-east can have, it in no way excuses other extremist actions they have taken -- for example, Charlie Hebdo.

It does not excuse the fact that Islamic families in Western nations push for the suppression of material they themselves disagree with (for example, pulling kids out of school because homosexuality is mentioned as not evil in Birmingham, England).



....Are you unaware of the Ottoman empire, my dude? It has always been an issue throughout mankind. Don't allow recency to completely mar your thought process. Islamic countries cut a swathe across Europe in days of old, committing genocide and war crimes.
If I’m not mistaken

didn’t Christians, Jews, and Muslims live in peace for years in Palestine?

and didn’t Hindus and Muslims live in peace for years before partition?
 
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If I’m not mistaken

didn’t Christians, Jews, and Muslims live in peace for years in Palestine?

and didn’t Hindus and Muslims live in peace for years before partition?
That's how colonisation works.
They divide and rule. They intentionally Divide people with their Ethnicity.
Just have a look of Africa map. Their borders are literally divided in square. They want them to fight and never stay stable.
 
Whilst there are certainly gripes the middle-east can have, it in no way excuses other extremist actions they have taken -- for example, Charlie Hebdo.
I am not excusing anyone's actions here.
I'm saying that as long as the west does not face the crimes of colonialism (and France in particular committed serious crimes against some Muslim countries) these things will keep happening. European kids don't even learn about this shit in school. Bow are they supposes to understand the motivations of the "other" side , who has not forgotten how their ancestored were wronged?
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I feel like if America and others just minded their business, it wouldn’t be that big of a dea
Murica should generally mind their own business more and not play world police
 
I am not excusing anyone's actions here.
I'm saying that as long as the west does not face the crimes of colonialism (and France in particular committed serious crimes against some Muslim countries) these things will keep happening. European kids don't even learn about this shit in school. Bow are they supposes to understand the motivations of the "other" side , who has not forgotten how their ancestored were wronged?
i went to a good school so I am lucky. But now it seems like half the books that educated me on colonialism are probably banned in Florida schools because they are “too woke”. I’m sure Texas and other red states will follow Florida’s lead.
 
If I’m not mistaken

didn’t Christians, Jews, and Muslims live in peace for years in Palestine?

and didn’t Hindus and Muslims live in peace for years before partition?
Are you aware that "peace" still meant lesser treatment for non-Muslims? I'm at work right now so I cannot cite, but I recommend looking into how Islam disadvantages other religions within an Islamic driven state.

I am not excusing anyone's actions here.
I'm saying that as long as the west does not face the crimes of colonialism (and France in particular committed serious crimes against some Muslim countries) these things will keep happening. European kids don't even learn about this shit in school. Bow are they supposes to understand the motivations of the "other" side , who has not forgotten how their ancestored were wronged?
And even further in the past, Islamic countries committed genocide on Christians. It's been like this since time immemorial. We can't even accurately work out who threw the first stone anymore. All we know is that there has been evil committed by both sides in the name of 'revenge' over the years. What makes one group's grievances more righteous? The fact that currently the Middle-East is the underdog? In the old days, that was the Western World, as Arabia was the jewel of humanity.
 
It does not excuse the fact that Islamic families in Western nations push for the suppression of material they themselves disagree with (for example, pulling kids out of school because homosexuality is mentioned as not evil in Birmingham, England).
aren't Christians in America doing the same thing?

It's not a matter of religion alone but of modern culture wars and identity wars.

Islamic countries cut a swathe across Europe in days of old, committing genocide and war crimes.
Genocide and conquest are probably humankind's oldest traditions.

Before what you mentioned it was the mass forced christianization of Europe. Before that, it was the Roman empire.
Before that it was expansion of various indo-European speaking groups.

And it's the same in other continents.
But I think the western powers wanted the Middle East to be fractured and in conflict s
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Are we getting into the topic of White Slavery?
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Arabs actually exploited White womans a lot.
I mean, that was also a thing, but I was not going on about that. It was outside the scope of the religious debate. It was not because they were Muslim that they exploited... it was because they were human and humans have always exploited other humans. Remember, in the past we didn't have machines and human labour was needed, and thus you would use the labour you could attain. This is abhorrent, but the state of the ancient world. From Saracen ships moved by the labour of the white man, to black slaves in Africa, to Blacks in the West.
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aren't Christians in America doing the same thing?

It's not a matter of religion alone but of modern culture wars and identity wars.


Genocide and conquest are probably humankind's oldest traditions.

Before what you mentioned it was the mass forced christianization of Europe. Before that, it was the Roman empire.
Before that it was expansion of various indo-European speaking groups.

And it's the same in other continents.

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Yes, but Christians for the most part can no longer protect themselves from it. Whilst Islam somehow still has that pass. I find the double-standard laughable.

Absolutely correct, Miss Maynard. However, just because it is a long-held tradition does not mean it is good. I am stating that I neither agree that Islamic nations are the 'noble revolutionaries' or that the West is righteous in it's acts. Neither side is good, but we (humanity) loves to see the world as black and white because it simplifies issues. I am simply stressing that I do not believe we can ascribe some sort of preference towards Islam because 'poor people in the Middle-East'.
 
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I mean, that was also a thing, but I was not going on about that. It was outside the scope of the religious debate. It was not because they were Muslim that they exploited... it was because they were human and humans have always exploited other humans. Remember, in the past we didn't have machines and human labour was needed, and thus you would use the labour you could attain. This is abhorrent, but the state of the ancient world. From Saracen ships moved by the labour of the white man, to black slaves in Africa, to Blacks in the West.
Hate me y'all
:steef::steef:
But civilisation are built on Slaves.
And
Humans were never the peace keeping race 🤡. We are the invasive species.
Name me a technology which we use in our current life and I'll tell you how it was first created for war purpose and later on toned down applications were given regular people.
We are on the top of the food chain and way past the mentality of "Survive" , our current objective is "civilisation" and now we playing good human by Protect animal , protect this and that.
When they were the responsible of species going extinct becuz they were hungry 🤡🤡.
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i went to a good school so I am lucky. But now it seems like half the books that educated me on colonialism are probably banned in Florida schools because they are “too woke”. I’m sure Texas and other red states will follow Florida’s lead.
You know one of the major topics in English class during high school / college was colonialism, an important point of discussion being the fact that we, German students, learn more about British colonialism than British kids n history class and how that's a problem.
AT THE SAME TIME we barely learned anything about German colonialism in Africa during history class. It's ridiculous!
All these years, Africa has been a grey spot on the map for me, I've been shitting on thr British empire and France and Belgium and Spain and Portugal and everything that happened in the Americas and Australia for YEARS before finding out that what Germany did in Africa was just as bad, because school doesn't teach you. You have to find it out by yourself. And people who aren't interested won't go out of their way too look this stuff up.
 
Hate me y'all
:steef::steef:
But civilisation are built on Slaves.
And
Humans were never the peace keeping race 🤡. We are the invasive species.
Name me a technology which we use in our current life and I'll tell you how it was first created for war purpose and later on toned down applications were given regular people.
We are on the top of the food chain and way past the mentality of "Survive" , our current objective is "civilisation" and now we playing good human by Protect animal , protect this and that.
When they were the responsible of species going extinct becuz they were hungry 🤡🤡.
:endthis:
Humans are tribal creatures. We try to pretend like we have some sort of 'enlightened mind' but we are still just apes banging our chests. We are, as you said, not a peace-keeping race. We fight for survival so we take advantage of others. From pushing for your next promotion and in the process pushing others down, or to taking the last fucking muffin. It's about us being first. It's about survival. We are social, but it does not extend to a world-wide social consciousness. We are not designed to care for the needs of everyone.
 
Yes, but Christians for the most part can no longer protect themselves from it. Whilst Islam somehow still has that pass. I find the double-standard laughable.
Protect themselves from what? What are you referring to?
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Hate me y'all
:steef::steef:
But civilisation are built on Slaves.
And
Humans were never the peace keeping race 🤡. We are the invasive species.
Name me a technology which we use in our current life and I'll tell you how it was first created for war purpose and later on toned down applications were given regular people.
We are on the top of the food chain and way past the mentality of "Survive" , our current objective is "civilisation" and now we playing good human by Protect animal , protect this and that.
When they were the responsible of species going extinct becuz they were hungry 🤡🤡.
:endthis:
In a way you are right and in a way you're wrong.
Your definition of civilisation is questionable at best.
 

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Hate me y'all
:steef::steef:
But civilisation are built on Slaves.
And
Humans were never the peace keeping race 🤡. We are the invasive species.
Name me a technology which we use in our current life and I'll tell you how it was first created for war purpose and later on toned down applications were given regular people.
We are on the top of the food chain and way past the mentality of "Survive" , our current objective is "civilisation" and now we playing good human by Protect animal , protect this and that.
When they were the responsible of species going extinct becuz they were hungry 🤡🤡.
:endthis:
GreenBull vibes
 
You know one of the major topics in English class during high school / college was colonialism, an important point of discussion being the fact that we, German students, learn more about British colonialism than British kids n history class and how that's a problem.
AT THE SAME TIME we barely learned anything about German colonialism in Africa during history class. It's ridiculous!
All these years, Africa has been a grey spot on the map for me, I've been shitting on thr British empire and France and Belgium and Spain and Portugal and everything that happened in the Americas and Australia for YEARS before finding out that what Germany did in Africa was just as bad, because school doesn't teach you. You have to find it out by yourself. And people who aren't interested won't go out of their way too look this stuff up.
Did they teach you about the genocides amongst African nations as well?

Protect themselves from what? What are you referring to?
The current rhetoric in society is that "Christian acts were bad because they followed a book's teachings". This is considered many 'isms'. Islam still gets a free pass and a lot of sympathy because we see Muslims as somehow the disadvantaged underdog so we are unable to call out their own problems, it feels.
 
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