Controversial General Political Discussion

[ShiShiShi]

It's for representing underrepresented groups on screen tbh


Also original Ariel was not red haired,neither did original Snow White have black hair.

Did the original movies really not have any black characters at all…? I think some could’ve been made for this adaption, if they hadn’t already done so.

I didn’t know the original characters didn’t have those hair colors. I assume you’re talking about the books? It seems those are what quite a few Disney movies are based on.

…Now that I think about it, has Disney ever made a completely original movie?

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

I didn’t know the original characters didn’t have those hair colors. I assume you’re talking about the books? It seems those are what quite a few Disney movies are based on.

…Now that I think about it, has Disney ever made an original movie?

many old Disney movies are adaptions and the source material heavily altered.
Disney's movies used to be racist af btw, especially their cartoons

I didn’t know the original characters didn’t have those hair colors. I assume you’re talking about the books?

Yup

 

[Owl Ki]

Race swapping usually happens when a studio knows they are about to pump out some straight up creatively bankrupt garbage. These studios use anything non-white and not straight as a meat shield against valid, objective criticism when hastily regurgitating the sloppy seconds of a several decade old intellectual property.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

hastily regurgitating the sloppy seconds of a several decade old intellectual property.

This is what bothers me the most.
They no longer make new stories but are already preparing for the umpteenth adaption of their oh so great classic mAstErPiEceS

 

[Starbound Beast D. Draig]

Depends on the character:
Fictional - Who gives a fuck, just shows the lack of any creative bone from producers as well as use race/sexuality as scapegoat if there product fails (99%) and to get some internet browny points from Twitter Freaks
Documentary - No

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Documentary - No

Yes that's a no go
Real people shouldn't be race swapped

 

[Midnight Delight]

Can I become black @Roo

 

[Owl Ki]

This is what bothers me the most.
They no longer make new stories but are already preparing for the umpteenth adaption of their oh so great classic mAstErPiEceS

Just you wait until they remake Song of the South with black plantation owners and white slaves.

 

[Phoenix D. King]

hoping for the Korean Mansa Musa docuseries

Genghis Khan was actually Native American too

 

[Oliver]

Live actions are supposed to honour the movie they were based on, not use it as a platform for divisive political rhetoric.

Blackwashing seems to be the new thing.

 

[gz89]

Forced political correctness and it sucks.

 

[GrandmasterChef Zonji]

Sucks

 

[NikaInParis]

Doing it for legit historical figures is literally retarded

For fictional characters, idk, I prefer them to look the way they do in their canon material. However, if their race isn't an important plot point in any way, then I could stomach a swap.

But then why even do the swap in the first place? Doing remakes of movies that don't recuire it is stupid, whatever race the MC turns out to be

 

[Owl Ki]

Hold up. I know the one white Disney character that is never going to get blackwashed.....

Tarzan. :laughmoji:

 

[Bob74h]

I dislike it
The idea of playing a role means your supposed to look to fit the role


Same people would get pissed if we casted a white dude to get played as the character blade from marvel so not sure how seriously we should take the left when they say who gives a shit if the race is changed cause they clearly care when it's with regards to representing groups they like

 

[ShiShiShi]

Race swapping usually happens when a studio knows they are about to pump out some straight up creatively bankrupt garbage. These studios use anything non-white and not straight as a meat shield against valid, objective criticism when hastily regurgitating the sloppy seconds of a several decade old intellectual property.

So it’s basically a desperate attempt to get as much money as they can by trying to appeal to the small percentage that actually want characters changed like that?

Disney hasn’t made an original movie since… I don’t know, Moana? (That’s a Disney movie, right?) It’s all been them trying to get as much money as they can be recreating their older movies and making them live-action, it’s so lazy and boring.

Do they think animated movies won’t sell? The Super Mario Bros. Movie made 1 BILLION DOLLARS within a month!

https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/30/entertainment/super-mario-bros-movie-1-billion-box-office/

If you put honest effort and dedication into something, it will sell! You just need to understand what your audience wants.

All of Disney’s live-action movies have and will be forgotten about within a year or two. They’re not memorable because the things that made them memorable were taken away, and in the end they’re just soulless cash grabs.

Some movies just don’t work in live-action, period. When you make things realistic, you’re sacrificing the emotion that goes into the expressions and body language. Once you lose those elements, everything becomes so restricted.

The Lion King (2019) for example:

You can’t connect with Simba very well here because you can’t truly feel the shock and pain that he feels when his father dies. It’s so annoying to watch.

Why can’t they make original movies with original characters like they used to? Blackwashing/Whitewashing just doesn’t sit well with me, because it gives gives you a clear idea as to what they’re really trying to do. They’re not doing it for you.

For fictional characters, idk, I prefer them to look the way they do in their canon material. However, if their race isn't an important plot point in any way, then I could stomach a swap.

If they’re gonna make the characters look different, they should atleast try to give them a unique take. If all they do is make the character a different race and use it as a marketing point then that’s just stupid.

 

[GrandmasterChef Zonji]

So it’s basically a desperate attempt to get as much money as they can by trying to appeal to the small percentage that actually want characters changed like that?

Disney hasn’t made an original movie since… I don’t know, Moana? (That’s a Disney movie, right?) It’s all been them trying to get as much money as they can be recreating their older movies and making them live-action, it’s so lazy and boring.

Do they think animated movies won’t sell? The Super Mario Bros. Movie made 1 BILLION DOLLARS within a month!

https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/30/entertainment/super-mario-bros-movie-1-billion-box-office/

If you put honest effort and dedication into something, it will sell! You just need to understand what your audience wants.

All of Disney’s live-action movies have and will be forgotten about within a year or two. They’re not memorable because the things that made them memorable were taken away, and in the end they’re just soulless cash grabs.

Some movies just don’t work in live-action, period. When you make things realistic, you’re sacrificing the emotion that goes into the expressions and body language. Once you lose those elements, everything becomes so restricted.

The Lion King (2019) for example:

You can’t connect with Simba very well here because you can’t truly feel the shock and pain that he feels when his father dies. It’s so annoying to watch.

Why can’t they make original movies with original characters like they used to? Blackwashing/Whitewashing just doesn’t sit well with me, because it gives gives you a clear idea as to what they’re really trying to do. They’re not doing it for you.



If they’re gonna make the characters look different, they should atleast try to give them a unique take. If all they do is make the character a different race and use it as a marketing point then that’s just stupid.

Ngl, i legit forgot about Lion king Live Action and that Trash ass Beauty and the beast Live Action

 

[ShiShiShi]

Ngl, i legit forgot about Lion king Live Action and that Trash ass Beauty and the beast Live Action

I actually watched that Beauty and the Beast movie on TV several years ago, and…

I vaguely remember it. The music is just about the only thing you can like about these live-action adaptions.

 

[Udell]

I mean they change Jesus from black to white so nothing in this world surprise me anymore. A bunch of characters are now homosexual and soon you going to get a bunch of trans characters as well. That's why I don't really watch movies anymore. The world will rapidly get worst as the times are coming to an end.

 

[Owl Ki]

So it’s basically a desperate attempt to get as much money as they can by trying to appeal to the small percentage that actually want characters changed like that?

Disney hasn’t made an original movie since… I don’t know, Moana? (That’s a Disney movie, right?) It’s all been them trying to get as much money as they can be recreating their older movies and making them live-action, it’s so lazy and boring.

Do they think animated movies won’t sell? The Super Mario Bros. Movie made 1 BILLION DOLLARS within a month!

https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/30/entertainment/super-mario-bros-movie-1-billion-box-office/

If you put honest effort and dedication into something, it will sell! You just need to understand what your audience wants.

All of Disney’s live-action movies have and will be forgotten about within a year or two. They’re not memorable because the things that made them memorable were taken away, and in the end they’re just soulless cash grabs.

Some movies just don’t work in live-action, period. When you make things realistic, you’re sacrificing the emotion that goes into the expressions and body language. Once you lose those elements, everything becomes so restricted.

The Lion King (2019) for example:

You can’t connect with Simba very well here because you can’t truly feel the shock and pain that he feels when his father dies. It’s so annoying to watch.

Why can’t they make original movies with original characters like they used to? Blackwashing/Whitewashing just doesn’t sit well with me, because it gives gives you a clear idea as to what they’re really trying to do. They’re not doing it for you.



If they’re gonna make the characters look different, they should atleast try to give them a unique take. If all they do is make the character a different race and use it as a marketing point then that’s just stupid.

I agree that it is generally difficult to transfer things from a 2D animated medium to a live action medium.

2D animation is timeless. It doesn't degrade. Which is why remakes for such works are fundamentally unnecessary since the original works are unaffected by the march of technological progress when compared to past works that used 3D animation or CGI. In addition to that, live action just cannot capture the fluidity, charm, style or colour palette of 2D animation.

Even with limitations however, a live action remake could still hypothetically work. Granted, I cannot actually think of a good example but it should be possible. Lol.

In regards to Lion King, Jon Favreau is just not that good at his job. He could use real life things like lighting for this film but he just doesn't. Lol.

The "emotion of the falling rocks" quote still gets me rolling to this day.

These live action remakes also have a strange obsession with "realism" to the point of rejecting stylised art that would greatly improve the ability of these characters to actually show some human emotion.

The problem with "realism" in these films is that it stifles character expression. Animals fundamentally cannot express themselves as humans do, they cannot move their facial muscles like we do, they cannot smile like we do etc.

So if you go for maximum realism then you limit the ability for these animal characters to express themselves humanly, which is pretty smegging stupid for a story geared towards human audiences.

It also makes these characters go into the "uncanny valley" territory since whatever little human emotions they can actually shove into these stiff, realistic designs end up making these characters aesthetically displeasing to look at. In short, they end up looking straight up wrong.

Funny thing is, you would think that with all his obsession with "realism" that Favreau would be good at getting the realism that is actually necessary for documentaries down to a fine art but he fails at that too.

Skip to 1:25 in this video. It is a clip from an episode of Prehistoric Planet, a TV documentary series that Favreau is the showrunner for.

When the feathered dinosaur gets attacked, do you notice anything off about the scene?

What is off is the complete lack of damage to the prey dinosaur. This thing just got mauled by a feckin Tyrannosaur and there are no wounds, no tooth marks, no trails of blood and not even any out of place feathers. See any animal attacking a bird and those feathers go everywhere. Not in Favreau land though, even his documentaries are stiff and lifeless.