Controversial General Political Discussion

[Monkey D Theories]

Oh my fucking god....Russia and China are STILL DICTATORSHIPS(communism),

lmao the russian federation isn't communist. That's why the soviet union fell, because they abandoned communism.

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It is inherent because all early communists were violent and did genocides.We have military dictatorships in south america,because these people are started a guerrilla warfare in many countries here.

Those dictators were promoted by the USA

 

[NAMELESS]

lmao the russian federation isn't communist. That's why the soviet union fell, because they abandoned communism.

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Those dictators were promoted by the USA

I have nothing else to say to you,stop quoting me.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

in socialism the bureaucratic class owns the means of production and the working class works. same as capitalism more or less.

In socialism the profits are redistributed to the benefit of all people instead of held by a handful of capitalists for their own benefit.

 

[Mathias]

Erdogan Won

Turkey won't be US's puppy

:cheers:

Still part of NATO because Erdogan is too scared to really be on his own

 

[ArturCantSpeakJapanese]

National States exist to provide security to both internal and external elements.Anarchy goes against our biology,even small tribes have an hierarchy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Makhnovshchina there can be organization. it's not really about total absence of government, just a government of voluntary association by the people who want to be involved. there can be a military to provide security and means to handle crimes and disputes.

 

[NAMELESS]

In socialism the profits are redistributed to the benefit of all people instead of held by a handful of capitalists for their own benefit.

yeah...about that:
https://www.rbth.com/history/331909-how-much-money-did-lenin-stalin-make
https://www.forbes.com/sites/keithf...out-castros-extravagant-life/?sh=7e3b54926d76
https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/opinions/outlook/whats-in-a-name/mao.html

 

[ArturCantSpeakJapanese]

In socialism the profits are redistributed to the benefit of all people instead of held by a handful of capitalists for their own benefit.

well, that's what they say.

 

[NAMELESS]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Makhnovshchina there can be organization. it's not really about total absence of government, just a government of voluntary association by the people who want to be involved. there can be a military to provide security and means to handle crimes and disputes.

Modern life is too complex,you can't expect to have a band of volunteers do as good as an professional/organized army.

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well, that's what they say.

All of these dictatorships lived luxury lives.This guy must be trolling us...

 

[BleakAsh]

Still part of NATO because Erdogan is too scared to really be on his own

Erdogan can be a ballsy idiot and back off from NATO and expose his country to NATO forces and political agenda , get sanctioned potentially as a consequence ,have a whole continent turn against him and dwindle his countries trade and connection to the European continent.

Or push his ideas by being a neutral force in NATO

calling him a Coward would be lets say.. Dim-witted.

 

[Toby D. Dog]

Yep, this thread is still the worst thing in this forum by far.

 

[K!NG HARA$H!MA]

Socialism sounds so cool in theory.

 

[Mr. Reloaded]

Yep, this thread is still the worst thing in this forum by far.

Just do what I do, mostly come with popcorn and a occasional shitpost

 

[ShinmenTakezo]

Socialism sounds so cool in theory.

That depends on your viewpoint which, for most people, depends on your wallet.

 

[Toby D. Dog]

Just do what I do, mostly come with popcorn and a occasional shitpost

I’m not engaging with these animals anymore. This is just me shaking my head at this whole damn thread.

 

[K!NG HARA$H!MA]

That depends on your viewpoint which, for most people, depends on your wallet.

Well for me personally.

I'm all for society where everyone is equal

A society where basic rights such as house, Cars, Healthcare etc should be granted to Citizens by the Government.

Socialism in a basic sense is aiming to for advanced society where everyone and their basic needs and rights is fulfilled.

Sounds very attractive for anyone no matter the wallet, no?

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Well for me personally.

I'm all for society where everyone is equal

A society where basic rights such as house, Cars, Healthcare etc should be granted to Citizens by the Government.

Socialism in a basic sense is aiming to for advanced society where everyone and their basic needs and rights is fulfilled.

Sounds very attractive for anyone no matter the wallet, no?

cars are kinda mid tbh. With effective city planning and investment in public transit, they wouldn't be nearly as big of a necessity as they are now.

 

[ShinmenTakezo]

Well for me personally.

I'm all for society where everyone is equal

A society where basic rights such as house, Cars, Healthcare etc should be granted to Citizens by the Government.

Socialism in a basic sense is aiming to for advanced society where everyone and their basic needs and rights is fulfilled.

Sounds very attractive for anyone no matter the wallet, no?

Why equal?
We are not born equal, neither are or experiences and thus resulting competence.

I think there is a minimum that every human being should have access to,.yes, as a safety net, so that you never have to worry about survival, but beyond that, I dont think so.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

I didn't say capitalism is perfect, but still better then socialism,

capitalism is literally destroying the world. It is sending us into a climate catastrophe.

How can socialism be worse than that??

 

[Sasparan]

Their relationship might be bad. But the link between Gülen and the 2016 coup is yet to be established 7 years after. At this point, it's getting safer to assume that it's mostly or completely fabricated bullshit from Erdogan.

Poorly prepared and rushed coup

Your first sentence is a conspiracy theory though

Yes, its a conspiracy theory i am thinking. Because Erdogan rejected coup to be searched in the parliament. He said Gulen did it directly after the coup. Gulen was big in the country so big. They were in the education, military, judgement all sorts of things. They were worse than Erdoğan there are so many people murdered just saying they were everywhere.

Erdoğan was scared after their relationship ended and needed an excuse to rule them out.

This is my little conspiracy theory. 🤫

 

[K!NG HARA$H!MA]

Why equal?
We are not born equal, neither are or experiences and thus resulting competence.

I think there is a minimum that every human being should have access to,.yes, as a safety net, so that you never have to worry about survival, but beyond that, I dont think so.

By equal I mean where there's minimum discrimination and prejudices among different sub groups

And equal opportunity for everyone for everyone to progress and improve themselves

And not One section of society institutionally dominating everything from Government to Business.


Indeed, Basic level for survival must be granted but What counts as Basic level of rights especially in 1st World countries is a matter of controversy and contentious issue. It become harder when we put historically oppressed minorities into picture

And yeah Government shouldn't really *baby* people.

At the end of day it's up to individuals whether they want to remain poor, settling in mediocrity, or want to rich and successful. It's all up to them.
Those who truly want something will get there if they really try hard.

Government just need to give citizens the necessary tool to survive and progress to
the next level


A country where basic needs is lacking means many brilliants minds and talents is wasted as they just putting all the hard work just to merely achieve those things. Socialism want to avoid that.