Controversial General Political Discussion

[NAMELESS]

This has absolutley nothing to do with what we're talking about. You sound like a CNN or FOX NEWS pundit tweaking about VENEZUELA!!! or CUBA!!!!!

This is not a response G. Just because those are authoritarian left wing governments doesn't mean that the definitions of communism and socialism are changing. Now just stop, I'm genuinely getting second hand embarrassment with how incredibly similar your line of reasoning is to mainstream media pundits whenever they're faced with facts that are counter-productive to their narrative.

Answer the question!What kind of regimes do they have in those countries?We were talking about what is and what isn't communism.China's party is literally a communist party and yet "no monopoly of means of production".Your definitions are obsolete.The Chinese themselves are creating a new version of communist ideology.Communists have historically denied their previous failed attempt was real Marxism and claimed their new spin of the ideology was the true one.You keep deflecting,because you know i'm right.Ask @Zolo how things worked in his country back in the USSR days.He can teach you a thing or two about communism.
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Damn, I fucked up two words this time around even though you do it all the goddamn time and I don't call you out on it. I seriously don't understand how you play the civility card but don't even practice civility yourself even when I'm not out here insulting you. But this is what you always do. People who are actually knowledgeable and are well read call you out and as soon as you're backed into a corner you quickly change subjects in order to avoid giving a direct answer. All you have is "left-wing academia" and "You fucked up your writing dumbass"

Seriously SHAMELESS, I can't take you seriously. You are very clearly politically illiterate and a culture warrior. You're too far gone at this point.

You don't know the meaning of civility btw.

 

[Toby D. Dog]

Answer the question!What kind of regimes do they have in those countries?We were talking about what is and what isn't communism.China's party is literally a communist party and yet "no monopoly of means of production".Your definitions are obsolete.The Chinese themselves are creating a new version of communist ideology.Communists have historically denied their previous failed attempt was real Marxism and claimed their new spin of the ideology was the true one.You keep deflecting,because you know i'm right.Ask @Zolo how things worked in his country back in the USSR days.He can teach you a thing or two about communism.

I quote my last post "Just because those are authoritarian left wing governments doesn't mean that the definitions of communism and socialism are changing"

I answered the question.

Your idea of communism is simply state control and authoritarianism. Which are completely separate things. If you can't understand the difference between privately owned means of production and state owned means of production then idk what to tell you.

 

[Zolo]

I quote my last post "Just because those are authoritarian left wing governments doesn't mean that the definitions of communism and socialism are changing"

I answered the question.

Your idea of communism is simply state control and authoritarianism. Which are completely separate things. If you can't understand the difference between privately owned means of production and state owned means of production then idk what to tell you.

Have you ever read lenins book about economy ? All large business that create monopolies and become too big are the new government in calitalist countries .

 

[Toby D. Dog]

Have you ever read lenins book about economy ? All large business that create monopolies and become too big are the new government in calitalist countries .

rephrase this, I don't understand what you're trying to say.

 

[Zolo]

rephrase this, I don't understand what you're trying to say.

Yeah I need to reprhase it better , sorry sleep is overcoming me. You should really read books by those old leaders . Just for self research, it wont change your opinion but you will have more personal view

 

[NAMELESS]

I quote my last post "Just because those are authoritarian left wing governments doesn't mean that the definitions of communism and socialism are changing"

I answered the question.

Your idea of communism is simply state control and authoritarianism. Which are completely separate things. If you can't understand the difference between privately owned means of production and state owned means of production then idk what to tell you.

Are you dumb or what?You are basically telling me the Chinese are poser/fake communists.Russia and China are literally still run by communist parties.They have both private and state owned corporations.What you don't get through that dense head of yours is that there are other models of communism that diverge from classical Marxism.Russia and China abandoned the Marxist model of economy because it doesn't work.

 

[Zolo]

And maybe even have stronger current belief

 

[Sekai Saikyō Mihawk]

Zionism is Nazism. Same rhetoric, both genocidal pricks

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1719357367022735538

 

[Toby D. Dog]

Yeah I need to reprhase it better , sorry sleep is overcoming me. You should really read books by those old leaders . Just for self research, it wont change your opinion but you will have more personal view

I've read marx but not lenin before. I still don't understand what you're trying to say.
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Are you dumb or what?You are basically telling me the Chinese poser communists.Russia and China are literally still run by communist parties.They have both private and state owned corporations.What you don't get through that dense head of yours is that there are other models of communism that diverge from classical Marxism.Russia and China abandoned the Marxist model of economy because it doesn't work.

Russia communist? Damn, we've had this convo before. Just because you don't understand the nuances of the Chinese economic system which has adapted to have a robust mixed market economy in order to compete internationally doesn't mean you can just label whatever you don't like as full blown communism. My main criticism of your line of argument is that you are using erroneous labels from the get go to describe things you don't like. I'm not about to re-thread this convo cause you've already drank the cool aid and it's honestly pretty exhausting.

 

[NAMELESS]

I've read marx but not lenin before. I still don't understand what you're trying to say.

Basically,corporations have monopolies over segments of the economy.Similar to what happened in the USSR,but this power is fragmented into the hand of billionaires instead of the hands of the state.At least that is what i got from @Zolo post.

 

[Toby D. Dog]

Basically,corporations have monopolies over segments of the economy.Similar to what happened in the USSR,but this power is fragmented into the hand of billionaires instead of the hands of the state.At least that is what i got from @Zolo post.

Billionaires and monopolies? That sounds like America.

 

[Zolo]

Basically,corporations have monopolies over segments of the economy.Similar to what happened in the USSR,but this power is fragmented into the hand of billionaires instead of the hands of the state.At least that is what i got from @Zolo post.

Yea . Sorry im sleepy but basically if left to extreme sides without a middle both are similarly bad and end result becomes similar

 

[NAMELESS]

I've read marx but not lenin before. I still don't understand what you're trying to say.
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Russia communist? Damn, we've had this convo before. Just because you don't understand the nuances of the Chinese economic system which has adapted to have a robust mixed market economy in order to compete internationally doesn't mean you can just label whatever you don't like as full blown communism. My main criticism of your line of argument is that you are using erroneous labels from the get go to describe things you don't like. I'm not about to re-thread this convo cause you've already drank the cool aid and it's honestly pretty exhausting.

Marx doesn't have a monopoly on communism.There are other versions derived from his idea.Just because it doesn't fit the Marxist definition,that doesn't mean you can deny they are communists.Karl Marx started the show,but other people came up with their own spin of his idea.
Look up Yuri bezmenov(look him up on youtube) and what he said about Stalin and the subversion Russia did in the west.This entire woke operation in the west was planned long ago by Stalin.Its called cultural warfare.Look up Antonio Grasmci and the concept of "invisible state" and "cultural marxism".Those guys were cutthroats,but they were geniuses.I give them that.if you look up Antonio gramsci you will understand my disrespect for modern day academia.

 

[Toby D. Dog]

Marx doesn't have a monopoly on communism.There are other versions derived from his idea.Just because it doesn't fit the Marxist definition,that doesn't mean you can deny they are communists.Karl Marx started the show,but other people came up with their own spin of his idea.
Look up Yuri bezmenov(look him up on youtube) and what he said about Stalin and the subversion Russia did in the west.This entire woke operation in the west was planned long ago by Stalin.Its called cultural warfare.Look up Antonio Grasmci and the concept of "invisible state" and "cultural marxism".Those guys were cutthroats,but they were geniuses.I give them that.if you look up Antonio gramsci you will understand my disrespect for modern day academia.

My man, I'm not about to go full culture warrior just because you are obsessed with woke shit and think it's genuine warfare. I don't pay credence to culture war nonsense. But have fun.

 

[NAMELESS]

Billionaires and monopolies? That sounds like America.

Same thing happens in other places too.Its called metacapitalism: A few oligarchs pay politicians to pass extra bureaucracy and taxation so the small and middle sized business can't compete with the guys on top of the ladder.
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My man, I'm not about to go full culture warrior just because you are obsessed with woke shit and think it's genuine warfare. I don't pay credence to culture war nonsense. But have fun.

Cultural war is everything nowadays.Academia is run like a corporation nowadays.People that tried to be genuine and honest and differ from left wing ideas get ostracized.You do what you will.Its dinner time here.

 

[Logiko]

I don't want to backtrack through thousands of comments to reveal why you created this fake LGBT persona, but you're are really going overboard with this character/identity.

Wuat ? I'm not LGBTQ+ What are you talking about ?

 

[notAfanboy]

Israeli rabbis tell Netanyahu that Israel has a right to bomb Al-Shifa hospital in Gaza
Source

They told the world that Muslim religious leaders are dangerous. They promote terrorism. But, here we are. A state, superior on every level, seeking religious approval from Rabbis to kill civilians. It means the earlier statements from minority (haredi?) were true. They consider all Civilins in Gaza their enemy (which is true, how they can be at peace with a colonizer?).

If ... IF this happens, I will call Israel and Jews every derogatory name and terms like they used to use for Muslims. Being a holocaust victim does not give you a license to kill indiscriminately or commit a genocide.

@NikaInParis @Midnight Delight @Monkey D Theories

 

[Zenos7]

Generally, a trans person commit suicide precisely because people like you are denying their identity.

if randos "denying their identity" results in them committing suicide, then they definitely do need help.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

If ... IF this happens, I will call Israel and Jews every derogatory name and terms like they used to use for Muslims.

Say what you want about the state of Israel

But Netanyahu doesn’t represent all Jewish people.

 

[notAfanboy]

Thoughts on Tantura documentary?

https://x.com/jakeshieldsajj/status/1719975219274887572?s=20


@NikaInParis @NAMELESS @Monkey D Theories @Sekai Saikyō Mihawk