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Hence what I said a few pages back. Not even bad faith, a lack of faith. "Nuh I cherry picked fair and square! Don't add to my words" There can never be a productive discussion like this.
I don't know, what somehow bothered me the most is someone randomly saying "how they treat their women." Like holy shit, how many women do you actually talk to about their expectations of a husband?
I don't know, what somehow bothered me the most is someone randomly saying "how they treat their women." Like holy shit, how many women do you actually talk to about their expectations of a husband?
I dont cherry pick. I could pull up passages left and right, and it will always follow some mental gymnastics to deflect. Ive played this game for over 10 years now.
But to add to the treating woman part: hereditary laws in surah 4, wife beating verse in surah 4, men being allowed to marry non-muslims and muslim women not being allowed, women supposedly having a deficient mind (which is why their testimony is only worth half of a mans testimony), most inhabitants of hell being women, etc.
But to add to the treating woman part: hereditary laws in surah 4, wife beating verse in surah 4, men being allowed to marry non-muslims and muslim women not being allowed, women supposedly having a deficient mind (which is why their testimony is only worth half of a mans testimony), most inhabitants of hell being women, etc.
Listen to the scholars' interpretations of those verses and how they ask Muslims to follow these verses and under what conditions.
If you hate Zakir Naik, pick someone else.
Have you heard of Ahmed Deedat?
Try watching his debates.
The rights of women... how biased can you be?
Read what used to happen to women before Islam.
They were used to be buried alive.
Islam, at that time, provided more relief to women than any other religion. The standards have changed due to Western culture... yes CULTURE, not any religion.
If you want to talk about women's rights in specific CULTURES. Lets debate.
Dont run away from this.
Hint:
Check and compare divorce rates
Single mothers
Relate crime rates resulting from children who grew up without parents
Percentage of OnlyFans girls from different cultures (western vs Islamic)
And so on.
I will say it again, stop pretending that you know shit.
I offer you again, bring 1 topic at a time and debate with me. Lets go over everything one by one.
If you hate Zakir Naik, pick someone else.
Have you heard of Ahmed Deedat?
Try watching his debates.
The rights of women... how biased can you be?
Read what used to happen to women before Islam.
They were used to be buried alive.
Islam, at that time, provided more relief to women than any other religion. The standards have changed due to Western culture... yes CULTURE, not any religion.
If you want to talk about women's rights in specific CULTURES. Lets debate.
Dont run away from this.
Hint:
Check and compare divorce rates
Single mothers
Relate crime rates resulting from children who grew up without parents
Percentage of OnlyFans girls from different cultures (western vs Islamic)
And so on.
I will say it again, stop pretending that you know shit.
I offer you again, bring 1 topic at a time and debate with me. Lets go over everything one by one.
They released the to-do list and notes of the Nashville Trans Shooter.
...and that person is fucking sick in the head. Talks about how she hopes her victims aren't ready and wants a high kill count, calls them crackers and yellow mop heads. Talks about white privileges, and crap. Literally what people were expecting, led astray by current politics.
But even more sick, no excuses, no apologetic words.
Like the Virginia Tech Killer was a monster, but he spoke of bullying and a fucked life.
This person on the other hand has not an ounce of regret, or reason aside from parroting everything you see on Twitter.
...and that person is fucking sick in the head. Talks about how she hopes her victims aren't ready and wants a high kill count, calls them crackers and yellow mop heads. Talks about white privileges, and crap. Literally what people were expecting, led astray by current politics.
But even more sick, no excuses, no apologetic words.
Like the Virginia Tech Killer was a monster, but he spoke of bullying and a fucked life.
This person on the other hand has not an ounce of regret, or reason aside from parroting everything you see on Twitter.
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Show me the posts where I call for violent revolutions and worship Marx
No
Show me the posts where I call for violent revolutions and worship Marx
No
Speaking of Marx is a positive light is not the same as worshipping him. You have sided and agreed with communistic intent from other posters.
Nonetheless, if I have misrepresented you as you did not mean things you have previously said - I apologise - as I said in my original post.
Honestly, it's hard to ever know what you truly mean, Solis, as you never speak your views clearly. As I originally stated, you are likely just a reactionary, baiting troll.
Going forward, I'll just treat you as I'll be treating Toby. It's too tiring to deal with this. I have better things to do.
Dont need to pretend.
Already mentioned couple things, like quran not giving an age limit for marriage and intercourse. Because it specifies an iddah for prebubescent girls and also specifies there is no iddah if the marriage wasnt consummated. Tafsirs agree with my description of this. Meme hijab also stated this in speakers corner before
Already mentioned couple things, like quran not giving an age limit for marriage and intercourse. Because it specifies an iddah for prebubescent girls and also specifies there is no iddah if the marriage wasnt consummated. Tafsirs agree with my description of this. Meme hijab also stated this in speakers corner before
Pick one of your choice and listen to their views on the verses you quote.
"Todays standards"
Define the stadnards?
I am assuming standards like, creating OnlyFans accounts, being single mothers, dick hopping, and more.
Correct me if I am wrong.
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Can you quote that Tafsir here? I want to read it.
"Todays standards"
Define the stadnards?
I am assuming standards like, creating OnlyFans accounts, being single mothers, dick hopping, and more.
Correct me if I am wrong.
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Can you quote that Tafsir here? I want to read it.
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If only i didnt mention the tafsirs a sentence before that.
Yall are clowns
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Equality before the law.
Of course you are wrong
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Read any tafsir you want. I havent come across a single one that doesnt say its about prebubescent girls. Only found one that added women with rare conditions where they never menstruate on top of prebubescent girls.
Yall are clowns
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Equality before the law.
Of course you are wrong
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Read any tafsir you want. I havent come across a single one that doesnt say its about prebubescent girls. Only found one that added women with rare conditions where they never menstruate on top of prebubescent girls.
I honestly do not believe Islam's solution to the societal ills effecting women is the right one. I do believe most Western Societies are falling prey to decadence. Porn addiction, video game addiction, drug and alcohol addiction, and a disrespect for basic rights such as freedom of speech are the issue. We have a society that encourages Only Fans, it encourages "sexual liberation", and whilst I do not think the state should ever involve itself in people's personal acts, I cannot help but feel it will make a generation of women who are less secure in their bodies and position than any before it.
Islam would just do a 180 on that. It's not the correct solution. Enforcing modesty does not make one modest, it makes them repressed. Polygamy, present in many Islamic countries, such as Saudi Arabia, Qatar, UAE, Syria, Jordan, and Kuwait among many others does not benefit women. It is actually to their detriment.
Both are terrible positions, and I almost fear having a daughter for having to raise her in a world which, quite frankly, tells her to whore herself out in the name of personal liberty which only serves to destroy their inherent sense of value. On the flip-side, if Islam has it's way, she would be forced into antiquated modesty laws and would be at the whim of her husband.
Islam would just do a 180 on that. It's not the correct solution. Enforcing modesty does not make one modest, it makes them repressed. Polygamy, present in many Islamic countries, such as Saudi Arabia, Qatar, UAE, Syria, Jordan, and Kuwait among many others does not benefit women. It is actually to their detriment.
Both are terrible positions, and I almost fear having a daughter for having to raise her in a world which, quite frankly, tells her to whore herself out in the name of personal liberty which only serves to destroy their inherent sense of value. On the flip-side, if Islam has it's way, she would be forced into antiquated modesty laws and would be at the whim of her husband.
You are wrong on this one.
She has the right to ask for a separate residence.
She has right to ask for Haq Mehar in case the husband dicides to divorce her.
She has the right to get a divorce and remarry.
At the same time, you are making assumptions on how the Husband will treat her.
Here is a paper on The Role of Spouses under Islamic Family Law:
Paper
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She has the right to ask for a separate residence.
She has right to ask for Haq Mehar in case the husband dicides to divorce her.
What is haq meher in Islam?
The mahr in any Islamic marriage contract is a fundamental religious right of the wife, and the husband may not reduce the mahr. Even upon the husband's death, the deferred mahr is paid from his estate before all other debts, because it is a religious requirement.
The mahr in any Islamic marriage contract is a fundamental religious right of the wife, and the husband may not reduce the mahr. Even upon the husband's death, the deferred mahr is paid from his estate before all other debts, because it is a religious requirement.
She has the right to get a divorce and remarry.
At the same time, you are making assumptions on how the Husband will treat her.
Here is a paper on The Role of Spouses under Islamic Family Law:
Paper
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Share one here.