Controversial General Political Discussion

[Malakhith]

The Inquisition happened due to Iberia being seeing in the rest of Europe as too "oriental" because of the centuries of Muslim occupation to begin with.It was an attempt to improve their image.
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For those that actually want to learn a thing or two about the Inquisition:

Então, só para deixar minha opinião aqui porque olhando meu post pode parecer que eu sou contra as ações de Al-Andalus.

Sendo 100% honesto, eu acho que o que os muslim fizeram (no contexto da época) foi uma das melhores ideias para a convivência pacifica entre os grupos e a integração entre os povos de forma natural e sem o uso de violência. Não tenho duvida de que muitas familias atualmente muslims vem de grupos que decidiram se converter para pagar menos impostos. Considerando como a Europa e Asia tratava diferentes grupos foi uma ideia genial. Novamente, levando em consideração os ideais e moral daqueles tempos.

 

[NAMELESS]

Então, só para deixar minha opinião aqui porque olhando meu post pode parecer que eu sou contra as ações de Al-Andalus.

Sendo 100% honesto, eu acho que o que os muslim fizeram (no contexto da época) foi uma das melhores ideias para a convivência pacifica entre os grupos e a integração entre os povos de forma natural e sem o uso de violência. Não tenho duvida de que muitas familias atualmente muslims vem de grupos que decidiram se converter para pagar menos impostos. Considerando como a Europa e Asia tratava diferentes grupos foi uma ideia genial. Novamente, levando em consideração os ideais e moral daqueles tempos.

Ainda sim eram cidadões de segunda classe na própria terra.Condeno a invasão Islâmica.

 

[Mathias]

Hey, stop talking Portuguese to avoid a ban, lol.

Man up !

First,fuck you for saying those people deserved to live as second class citizens.

Sounds like you're bad at historical context.

Citizen is a modern construction. And in fact they weren't second class citizens.

Exactly,these dumb motherfuckers don't know history.Muslims started invading Christian lands all over the place.The crusades were a response to muslim aggression.

Europe didn't even know they existed as Christians before the 11th century.

Oh yeah I'mma lose an hour watching the catholic talk show.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

The statement itself is not that bad. They have the right to accept and search for salvation. The Pope even stated that if they start to bring the abominations that some of those people ask for in liberal media they wll not be accepted.

Sounds like conversion therapy :zorothink:

The EU operates as a unit in the international stage more often than not.

Don't get fooled. There is no such thing as the United States of Europe and it will never happen I our lifetime

 

[NAMELESS]

Hey, stop talking Portuguese to avoid a ban, lol.

Man up !


Sounds like you're bad at historical context.

Citizen is a modern construction. And in fact they weren't second class citizens.



Europe didn't even know they existed as Christians before the 11th century.



Oh yeah I'mma lose an hour watching the catholic talk show.

I see you are not arguing in good faith.If you support what the Muslims did in the past,then don't cry about Israel doing the same.Hypocrite.

 

[Mathias]

I see you are not arguing in good faith.If you support the what the Muslims did in the past,then don't cry about Israel doing the same.Hypocrite.

Al-Andalus > Reconquista

That's my only point.

 

[NAMELESS]

Al-Andalus > Reconquista

That's my only point.

shit take

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Better have something like the Al-Andalus civilization in Europe than the Spanish Inquisition

Not sure about that one tho:zorothink:

First,fuck you for saying those people deserved to live as second class citizens.Spanish Inquisition is overblown.

And secondly, f you for strawmanning around the block and distracting from the original topic: the Catholic church as a major player in the advancement of international imperialism and forced conversions to Christianity.

Exactly,these dumb motherfuckers don't know history.Muslims started invading Christian lands all over the place.The crusades were a response to muslim aggression.

We were talking about colonialism and you are bringing up the crusades out of nowhere.

 

[NAMELESS]

Not sure about that one tho:zorothink:

And secondly, f you for strawmanning around the block and distracting from the original topic: the Catholic church as a major player in the advancement of international imperialism and forced conversions to Christianity.

We were talking about colonialism and you are bringing up the crusades out of nowhere.

Conversions to Christianity is what the Church is all about.Lolis.

 

[Malakhith]

Sounds like conversion therapy :zorothink:

Asking to not contaminate people with weird ideologies is not conversion therapy. You can do whatever you want (as long as you follow the guidelines of the church) but don't try to abuse kids and brainwash them with weird ideas.
Sounds fine.

 

[NAMELESS]

Europe didn't even know they existed as Christians before the 11th century.

Portugal and Spain were part of the Roman Empire.The concept of citizenship is thousands of years old.You are the one that doesn't know what you are talking about.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Asking to not contaminate people with weird ideologies is not conversion therapy.

weird ideologies = Catholic extremism

Got it

 

[Malakhith]

We were talking about colonialism and you are bringing up the crusades out of nowhere.

To be fair it was in response to another post mentioning the crusades as a atrocity of the church.
It was not out of nowhere.
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weird ideologies = Catholic extremism

No.
Read again.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Oh I almost forgot about this one

Why is it funny coming from a south american?Because we were colonized by Europeans Christians?I think the Spanish and Portuguese colonization was a beautiful and good thing.English colonization not so much,too much racism and violence.Portuguese and Spanish mixed with the local population.As for the Islam thing,it will work just because of demographics,they have way too many kids and migrate constantly.

Listen,if you guys want to talk about Latin/North american colonization we can create a thread for this.Get back on topic before mods start deleting posts left and right.

always deflecting and moving goalposts, it's always the others' fault and his people always the victims

 

[NAMELESS]

Oh I almost forgot about this one

Yes and i say it again:
Why is it funny coming from a south american?Because we were colonized by Europeans Christians?I think the Spanish and Portuguese colonization was a beautiful and good thing.English colonization not so much,too much racism and violence.Portuguese and Spanish mixed with the local population.

 

[Malakhith]

Hey, stop talking Portuguese to avoid a ban, lol.

Sorry. I actually wrote the post to everyone and actually didn't notice that it was in portuguese. Let's try again:

Então, só para deixar minha opinião aqui porque olhando meu post pode parecer que eu sou contra as ações de Al-Andalus.

Sendo 100% honesto, eu acho que o que os muslim fizeram (no contexto da época) foi uma das melhores ideias para a convivência pacifica entre os grupos e a integração entre os povos de forma natural e sem o uso de violência. Não tenho duvida de que muitas familias atualmente muslims vem de grupos que decidiram se converter para pagar menos impostos. Considerando como a Europa e Asia tratava diferentes grupos foi uma ideia genial. Novamente, levando em consideração os ideais e moral daqueles tempos.

So, just to make my point clear because, looking at my post, it may seem that I'm against Al-andalus.

Being honest, I think that what the muslim did (looking at the historical context) was one of the best ideas for pacific coexistence between groups and integration between population in a natural way without the use of violence. I have no doubts that a lot of families that are muslims today came from groups that decided to convert in order to pay less taxes. Considering how both Europe and Asia dealt with different ideas and groups that was a genial idea. Again, my point of view is taking the ideals and moral of people living in those times in consideration.

 

[NAMELESS]

Oh I almost forgot about this one



always deflecting and moving goalposts, it's always the others' fault and his people always the victims

You are a master at gaslighting,i will give you that.I said that in a world war 3 thread.Taking stuff that i said over two years ago from its context just show how i'm living rent free in your head.

 

[Photon]

shit take

I do not know the whole history, but I'm 100% sure southeast asian would agree with him.

 

[NAMELESS]

I do not know the whole history, but I'm 100% sure southeast asian would agree with him.

To each their own.Iberians and Europpeans already had a established religion that had its similarities to Islam.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

You are a master at gaslighting,i will give you that.I said that in world war 3 thread.Taking stuff that i said over two years ago from its context just show how i'm living rent free in your head.

People can click on the quote to read the conversation if they wish to do so.
I am not interested in warming up a 1 1/2 year old discussion with a 10 year old.