Controversial General Political Discussion

[Photon]

Hamas must have threatened them not to say anything bad! I mean it's in the West Bank, Hamas controlled area!

Anyway, one of the priests said the following:

"The muslim palestinians they care more than all the christians in the world"

I wish for every American evangelists that support Israel to see this, or just any christian in general. The christian palestinians can literally be traced back to ancient times, unlike Israelis which is mostly the reason why DNA test is illegal in Israel. They are literally facing extinction and many christians are still turning a blind eye

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

DNA test is illegal in Israel.

 

[Roo]

You are again forgetting the fact that the Palestinians are still being oppressed and that Israel is cunningly playing victim and hasn't shown any remorse.

If the Koreans and Chinese are still oppressed in the hypothetical scenario, then I'm all for them wanting their entirety of the land. Why would you forgive them if they still have the opressor mentality?

Because it isn't their land, it hasn't been their land for almost a century and it's population isn't Palestinian.

Again, your scenario I would still be against it. Just because person X is being oppressed doesn't mean you give them the moon and the stars. You give them reasonable reparations. For starters, getting the occupiers outside of their legal land.

At what point should they stop fighting for their land?

When it becomes unfeasible, which pretty much means post 70s. The world recognize the 1967 borders, other Arab countries who supported Palestinians recognize the 1967 borders. At that point yes, fighting for anything but the 1967 borders means you're unreasonable.

 

[Photon]

Again, your scenario I would still be against it. Just because person X is being oppressed doesn't mean you give them the moon and the stars. You give them reasonable reparations. For starters, getting the occupiers outside of their legal land.

Again, I am fully aware of that

What you call is unreasonable is reasonable in my books for this particular matter

When it becomes unfeasible, which pretty much means post 70s. The world recognize the 1967 borders, other Arab countries who supported Palestinians recognize the 1967 borders. At that point yes, fighting for anything but the 1967 borders means you're unreasonable.

Last time I checked, only 18 countries one of which is Syria recognized the border. Give me your sources in case I am wrong. Besides, what rights do they have in determining the rights of the palestinians?

Because it isn't their land, it hasn't been their land for almost a century

The British Mandate in Survey of Palestine literally recognized around 93% of the land were owned by palestinians.

it's population isn't Palestinian.

What do you mean? Are you kidding? Can you clarify?

 

[Roo]

Last time I checked, only 18 countries one of which is Syria recognized the border. Give me your sources in case I am wrong. Besides, what rights do they have in determining the rights of the palestinians?

Egypt Jordan and soon Saudi Arabia. 3 of the main backers of the 1900s Palestinians movement.

Did I say they have a right? I am talking about what's feasible and reasonable. If all of your allies are moving on from your movement it is unfeasible.

The British Mandate in Survey of Palestine literally recognized around 93% of the land were owned by palestinians.

Again, almost 100 years ago.

What do you mean? Are you kidding? Can you clarify?

There's only about 20% Israeli Arabs in the country of Israel. They're a minority.

 

[Photon]

Egypt Jordan and soon Saudi Arabia. 3 of the main backers of the 1900s Palestinians movement.

Did I say they have a right? I am talking about what's feasible and reasonable. If all of your allies are moving on from your movement it is unfeasible.



Again, almost 100 years ago.


There's only about 20% Israeli Arabs in the country of Israel. They're a minority.

Fair point even though I am still not 100% agree with you, and i concede if UN including the US imposes an actual sanction. They also need deradicalization, they're literally the most racists beings I have ever seen, or maybe to ever existed

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Loo

 

[NAMELESS]

Hamas must have threatened them not to say anything bad! I mean it's in the West Bank, Hamas controlled area!

Anyway, one of the priests said the following:

"The muslim palestinians they care more than all the christians in the world"

I wish for every American evangelists that support Israel to see this, or just any christian in general. The christian palestinians can literally be traced back to ancient times, unlike Israelis which is mostly the reason why DNA test is illegal in Israel. They are literally facing extinction and many christians are still turning a blind eye

dna illegal in Israel?Wtf?

 

[Monkey D Theories]

dna illegal in Israel?Wtf?

What I think he’s probably referring to is how israel defines who is and isn’t a Jew.

I believe there is some controversy regarding whether Jewishness can be determined via DNA test. Imo it can’t.

Jewishness is entirely based off one’s connection to Jewish culture and/or Judaism.

 

[Photon]

dna illegal in Israel?Wtf?

What I think he’s probably referring to is how israel defines who is and isn’t a Jew.

I believe there is some controversy regarding whether Jewishness can be determined via DNA test. Imo it can’t.

Jewishness is entirely based off one’s connection to Jewish culture and/or Judaism.

I mean that DTC DNA test is illegal, it needs to be ordered by the court.

Also, they won't outright tell you if your ancestor was indigenous to the land. What they do is confirming possible genetic link with a jew

"
On the website of public services gov.il two possible testing options are indicated:

• to confirm the Israeli roots and establish kinship between living people;
• to search for possible genetic links with deceased relatives.

"

From https://welcome-israel.com/jewish-genealogy/jewish-dna-test

Let me know if I understand it wrong

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

I mean that DTC DNA test is illegal, it needs to be ordered by the court.

Also, they won't outright tell you if your ancestor was indigenous to the land. What they do is confirming possible genetic link with a jew

"
On the website of public services gov.il two possible testing options are indicated:

• to confirm the Israeli roots and establish kinship between living people;
• to search for possible genetic links with deceased relatives.

"

From https://welcome-israel.com/jewish-genealogy/jewish-dna-test

Let me know if I understand it wrong

You should have been more precise. DNA testing with a company is not illegal in Israel

 

[Photon]

You should have been more precise. DNA testing with a company is not illegal in Israel

Yeah my bad. It is not illegal only if the court permits it

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Honestly the idea that Jews are inherently indigenous to Palestine, no matter where they are actually from, is honestly racist.

It’s literally the logic antisemites used when they unjustly expelled Jews from their lands in Europe.

Zionism seems to affirm this racism saying that yes, European Jews really don’t belong in Europe, let’s go “back to Israel”.
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The cultures of various Jewish groups are more similar to the cultures of the places their ancestors lived for centuries pre-Zionism, than it is to the culture in Palestine itself.

That’s why the Hebrew language was functionally dead and only used in prayer until Zionists revived it.
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But pre Zionism, nobody actually spoke Hebrew outside of prayer.

The major Jewish groups in Europe were ashkenazim and Sephardim

Ashkenaz literally means Germany
Sephard literally means spain

Ashkenazi Jews spoke Yiddish, a dialect of German
Sephardi Jews spoke ladino, a dialect of Spanish

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

That’s why the Hebrew language was functionally dead and only used in prayer until Zionists revived it.
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But pre Zionism, nobody actually spoke Hebrew outside of prayer.

That's actually a major W. All speakers of nearly extinct languages need a little of their dedication

 

[Monkey D Theories]

That's actually a major W. All speakers of nearly extinct languages need a little of their dedication

I think it’s great too. It makes learning Hebrew have an actual practical value outside of prayer.

but It’s so cynical when zionists claim that Jews are the real indigenous people of Palestine and that Palestinians are the real colonizers, when their grandparents literally spoke German.

 

[Haoshoku]

That’s why the Hebrew language was functionally dead and only used in prayer until Zionists revived it.

What isn’t as known is that they had to use the Classical Arabic from the Quran (particularly the case system known as i’rab) to revive the Hebrew language and they still mispronounce certain letters. And what’s funnier is that the Arabs living in Palestine and in the Middle East are far more semitic than these European Ashkenazis and others who love to employ the antisemitism label. In the end it’s just one of many of their shaming tactics, except it couldn’t be more ironic here.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

and they still mispronounce certain letters.

It kinda sounds like a mix between French and German to me pronunciation wise

 

[Roo]

What isn’t as known is that they had to use the Classical Arabic from the Quran (particularly the case system known as i’rab) to revive the Hebrew language and they still mispronounce certain letters. And what’s funnier is that the Arabs living in Palestine and in the Middle East are far more semitic than these European Ashkenazis and others who love to employ the antisemitism label. In the end it’s just one of many of their shaming tactics, except it couldn’t be more ironic here.

antisemitism is a label specifically aimed at discrimination towards jews, not all semitic people

kinda like how african americans means black americans, not african immigrants living in america

 

[Haoshoku]

antisemitism is a label specifically aimed at discrimination towards jews, not all semitic people

kinda like how african americans means black americans, not african immigrants living in america

I know what they say it is but the actual meaning of the word semite just makes it all the more ironic when it’s being hurled at other Semites who actually got the deeper roots vs the people employing the term. Even if we look at the word Jew which comes from Yehudi meaning Judah, they still don’t fully live up to that either since not all of them are even from tribe of Judah. Everything be hitting them Zionists back in the face lol.
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It kinda sounds like a mix between French and German to me pronunciation wise

Not to get too technical in an anime forum, but the reason why is because German and French employ the same sound as the letter kha in Arabic and Hebrew has the same but where modern Hebrew mispronounces certain letters is when it comes to the ha (the letter preceding kha) and they pronounce the letter ha as kha when it should be the other way around. That’s why it sounds like German.
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I’m giving a whole lecture on linguistics out here gotta chill

 

[Roo]

I know what they say it is but the actual meaning of the word semite just makes it all the more ironic when it’s being hurled at other Semites who actually got the deeper roots vs the people employing the term. Even if we look at the word Jew which comes from Yehudi meaning Judah, they still don’t fully live up to that either since not all of them are even from tribe of Judah. Everything be hitting them Zionists back in the face lol.

eh most dna studies have shown ashkenazi and sephardic jews have traces back to the region. i once saw putting them there as far back as 600 bce