Daniel

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Javier Milei won in Argentina.
Are you Argentinian by any chance?

Edit: This guy used to teach economics (macro/microeconomics, economic growth, mathematics for economists) as a university professor! Plenty of reading to be done here. Let's see what I can find...
BUENOS AIRES, Nov 19 (Reuters) - Argentina elected right-wing libertarian Javier Milei as its new president on Sunday, rolling the dice on an outsider with radical views to fix an economy battered by triple-digit inflation, a looming recession and rising poverty.

Milei, who rode a wave of voter anger with the political mainstream, won by a wider-than-expected margin. He landed some 56% of the vote versus just over 44% for his rival, Peronist Economy Minister Sergio Massa, who conceded.

"The model of decadence has come to an end, there's no going back," Milei said in a defiant speech after the result, while also acknowledging the challenges that face him.

"We have monumental problems ahead: inflation, lack of work, and poverty," he said. "The situation is critical and there is no place for tepid half-measures."

In downtown Buenos Aires hundreds of Milei supporters honked horns and chanted his popular refrain against the political elite - "out with all of them" - as rock music played from speakers. Some people set off fireworks as excitement spread.

"We came to celebrate this historic triumph," said Efrain Viveros, a 21-year-old student from the province of Salta. "I'm honestly ecstatic. Milei represents change, for the better. With Massa we'd have had no future, our future has returned."

Milei is pledging economic shock therapy. His plans include shutting the central bank, ditching the peso, and slashing spending, potentially painful reforms that resonated with voters angry at the economic malaise.

"Milei is the new thing, he's a bit of an unknown and it is a little scary, but it's time to turn over a new page," said 31-year-old restaurant worker Cristian as he voted on Sunday.

Milei's challenges are enormous. He will have to deal with the empty coffers of the government and central bank, a creaking $44 billion debt program with the International Monetary Fund, inflation nearing 150% and a dizzying array of capital controls.




Some Argentines had characterized the vote as a choice of the "lesser evil": fear of Milei's painful economic medicine versus anger at Massa and his Peronist party for an economic crisis that has left Argentina deeply in debt and unable to tap global credit markets.

Milei has been particularly popular among the young, who have grown up seeing their country lurch from one crisis to another.

"Perhaps not everything Milei says I agree with or can identify with but he is our future," said Irene Sosa, a 20-year-old student celebrating outside his election bunker. "Milei represents a future for young people like me, Massa was everything that is wrong with our country."

Milei's win shakes up Argentina's political landscape and economic roadmap, and could impact trade in grains, lithium and hydrocarbons. Milei has criticized China and Brazil, saying he won't deal with "communists," and favors stronger U.S. ties.

Despite that, Brazilian President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva wished Milei luck and success after the result was announced, adding that it was important democracy was respected.

Former U.S. President Donald Trump congratulated Milei and said the libertarian would make Argentina great again.

Leftist Colombian President Gustavo Petro, meanwhile, said it was a "sad day" for the region.

'PROFOUND RUPTURE'
The victory of Milei, a 53-year-old economist and former TV pundit, has broken the hegemony of the two leading political forces on the left and right - the Peronists that have dominated Argentine politics since the 1940s and its main opposition, the Together for Change conservative bloc.

"The election marks a profound rupture in the system of political representation in Argentina," said Julio Burdman, director of the consultancy Observatorio Electoral, ahead of the vote.

The campaign of Massa, 51, an experienced political wheeler-dealer, had sought to appeal to voter fears about Milei's volatile character and plans to cut back the size of the state.

"Milei's policies scare me," teacher Susana Martinez, 42, said on Sunday after she voted for Massa.

Milei is staunchly anti-abortion, favors looser gun laws and has criticized Argentine Pope Francis. He used to carry a chainsaw in a symbol of his planned cuts but shelved it in recent weeks to help boost his moderate image.

After October's first-round vote, Milei struck an uneasy alliance with the conservatives. But he faces a highly fragmented Congress, with no single bloc having a majority, meaning that he will need to get backing from other factions to push through legislation. Milei's coalition also does not have any regional governors or mayors.

That may temper some of his more radical proposals. Long-suffering voters are likely to have little patience, and the threat of social unrest is never far below the surface.

His backers say only he can uproot the political status quo and economic malaise that has dogged South America's second-largest economy for years.

"Milei is the only viable option so we do not end up in misery," said Santiago Neria, a 34-year-old accountant.
 
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Daniel

Elmarit
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What kind of social and economic problems has Argentina been going through the past 10-20 years?

By the end of the year 2022, inflation rate over there reached a staggering 95%!
 
Are you Argentinian by any chance?

Edit: This guy used to teach economics (macro/microeconomics, economic growth, mathematics for economists) as a university professor! Plenty of reading to be done here. Let's see what I can find...
I am not. I'm not a peronist in any stretch of the imagination, but from what I know Milei has been barred from academia more than once but I'm not entirely sure. My knowledge of him is limited to clips and his genocidal hatred toward the left.
 

Daniel

Elmarit
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My knowledge of him is limited to clips and his genocidal hatred toward the left
They Argentiniana went through a heavy period of inflation and well..."Peronism" for a really long time, didn't they?

It's a relatively suitable environment for a presidential candidate with radical political views and a willingness (and a promise) to make big changes that the population can actually "feel"

instead of having people live day by day without seeing any sort of change in various social, political, and even issues that directly deal with their day to day life.

Argentina isn't a country you can describe as a "first world nation" either which means the effects of inflation hits the population there even harder.

(I just typed all of this after 5 min of Google reading and I dunno much about Argentinian politics but hard times call for desperate measures, yea?)
 
They Argentiniana went through a heavy period of inflation and well..."Peronism" for a really long time, didn't they?

It's a relatively suitable environment for a presidential candidate with radical political views and a willingness (and a promise) to make big changes that the population can actually "feel"

instead of having people live day by day without seeing any sort of change in various social, political, and even issues that directly deal with their day to day life.

Argentina isn't a country you can describe as a "first world nation" either which means the effects of inflation hits the population there even harder.

(I just typed all of this after 5 min of Google reading and I dunno much about Argentinian politics but hard times call for desperate measures, yea?)
No, I do not believe he is the solution to inflation in the long run. He is a self described anarcho-capitalist. He is a sexist and a racist. He will sell out the country piece by piece for short term solutions.
 
What ever hypothetical you bring, if you want to make a comparison has to be similar to the hypothetical set.
I am fully aware of that

Your rhetorical question just doesn't apply here. Like I've said, in the 1950s/60s? yeah sure. Now? No. There's millions of ethnic Israelis in the land.

Like I've said before. The correct question is "If Imperial Japan after annexing Korea and Manchuria decided to move millions of ethnic Japanese people and present day are the super majority of the land, would it be justify for koreans or chinese people to try to reclaim that land in 2023?"

And I've already said no, that is ridiculous.
You are again forgetting the fact that the Palestinians are still being oppressed and that Israel is cunningly playing victim and hasn't shown any remorse.

If the Koreans and Chinese are still oppressed in the hypothetical scenario, then I'm all for them wanting their entirety of the land. Why would you forgive them if they still have the opressor mentality?

I'll ask you the question you asked me before.

in the 1950s/60s? yeah sure. Now? No
At what point should they stop fighting for their land?

We really live in an era where many people believe those are the oppressed, while these are the oppressors.


Not even an ounce of hatred thought they posses, just simple wishes
 
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Is this a good or a bad thing?
Overall good. But the guy will have a uphill battle because the left machine will do their best to turn him into a demon.
The most likely result is that things will improve slightly until the next election when a new leftist will be elected because of propaganda and make things worse.
You can compare it with Brazil that elected a thief, now is even more riddled with corruption than before and the elites combined with the supreme court are doing their best to steal what they can while ignoring the Constitution.
 

Hamas must have threatened them not to say anything bad! I mean it's in the West Bank, Hamas controlled area!

Anyway, one of the priests said the following:

"The muslim palestinians they care more than all the christians in the world"

I wish for every American evangelists that support Israel to see this, or just any christian in general. The christian palestinians can literally be traced back to ancient times, unlike Israelis which is mostly the reason why DNA test is illegal in Israel. They are literally facing extinction and many christians are still turning a blind eye
 
You are again forgetting the fact that the Palestinians are still being oppressed and that Israel is cunningly playing victim and hasn't shown any remorse.

If the Koreans and Chinese are still oppressed in the hypothetical scenario, then I'm all for them wanting their entirety of the land. Why would you forgive them if they still have the opressor mentality?
Because it isn't their land, it hasn't been their land for almost a century and it's population isn't Palestinian.

Again, your scenario I would still be against it. Just because person X is being oppressed doesn't mean you give them the moon and the stars. You give them reasonable reparations. For starters, getting the occupiers outside of their legal land.


At what point should they stop fighting for their land?
When it becomes unfeasible, which pretty much means post 70s. The world recognize the 1967 borders, other Arab countries who supported Palestinians recognize the 1967 borders. At that point yes, fighting for anything but the 1967 borders means you're unreasonable.
 
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Again, your scenario I would still be against it. Just because person X is being oppressed doesn't mean you give them the moon and the stars. You give them reasonable reparations. For starters, getting the occupiers outside of their legal land.
Again, I am fully aware of that

What you call is unreasonable is reasonable in my books for this particular matter


When it becomes unfeasible, which pretty much means post 70s. The world recognize the 1967 borders, other Arab countries who supported Palestinians recognize the 1967 borders. At that point yes, fighting for anything but the 1967 borders means you're unreasonable.
Last time I checked, only 18 countries one of which is Syria recognized the border. Give me your sources in case I am wrong. Besides, what rights do they have in determining the rights of the palestinians?


Because it isn't their land, it hasn't been their land for almost a century
The British Mandate in Survey of Palestine literally recognized around 93% of the land were owned by palestinians.


it's population isn't Palestinian.
What do you mean? Are you kidding? Can you clarify?
 
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