Controversial General Political Discussion

[Logiko]

Don't you think having an open discussion and swaying opinion organically (spreading facts, discussing ideas) would help better "fight the crypto fascist" instead of... banning them from a random forum? they'll go to another forum, or god forbid, touch grass

Do you know why there is a saying that says "we don't discuss with fascist, we fight them" ?

The primary reason why, is that because by trying to discuss with fascist, you are actively inviting fascist ideas in to the discussion table. In short, you are transforming fascist idea into something acceptable to have a discussion with. You are therefore opening the overton windows completely to the far right and fascist political spectrum.

Secondly, its also because in the discussion with the fascist, there can only be one winner, the fascist.

A fascist only wants one thing, a place to talk and propagate their ideology. By discussing with them, we are giving them just that and by making the discussion last to the eyes of everyone we are risking the possibility of a propagation of ideas..

.. Because don't be blind, far right ideaologies are far from being hard to process. In fact its VERY EASY to be tempted by far right and fascists ideologies, simply because of the way our brain is wired. You can see that happening in real time all over the world and here in this forum.

So fascists is where I draw the lines. Note that I shouldn't be discussing with far right biggot like those guys here, but I'm doing it anyway because this forum is already corrupted by far right idea and its needs a real leftist voice. But fascism is out of the line. It only has one place, and that's out.

 

[Daniel]

The term "Fascism" gets brought up here every now and then (including the last couple of replies on this thread) but it's not a term that should be brought up in a political convo thread lightly at all.

Bringing up historical observations on how fascism in Nazi Germany and Italy came about + how life under fascism was for the average German citizen could prove to be more beneficial for discussion here. A dictator at the top of the helm of his/her political party is one trait of fascist governments, but how the ones in authority treats other citizens that have differing views from what the authority preaches to be "the common good" (actions would matter more than words said by a politician or dictator here) can be another trait.

The members who lean towards the left side of the political spectrum complain about various human rights issues, rights for certain people, and any other personal issues that affect them as a people. Note that they may have but they usually go about their business (and have their privacy to themselves) outside of their daily lives.

Under true fascism, these people would already be purged/disappeared/sent to camps.

(There is an enormous amount of content to unpack here because understanding how fascism took ahold of Nazi Germany + events + changes in life for the regular citizens under this new government during WW2 on a deep level might be a prerequisite for discussing this topic).

Oh, and its possible alternative (life under Stalin during USSR) wasn't that much better either, unfortunately because both regimes were legitimately restrictive asf for the average citizens that lived during those times compared to life as a US citizen after WW2.

 

[Logiko]

Under true fascism, these people would already be purged/disappeared/sent to camps.

Indeed, that's why we must fight it works before it happens, because what you just described is fascism applied to the states. What I'm fighting against is the stage before that, where fascist is just an ideology engrain in some people and where media leaves too much rooms for far right ideologies to expand.

 

[Zolo]

Indeed, that's why we must fight it works before it happens, because what you just described is fascism applied to the states. What I'm fighting against is the stage before that, where fascist is just an ideology engrain in some people and where media leaves too much rooms for far right ideologies to expand.

I think you meant far left

 

[Logiko]

I think you meant far left

You don't pay much attention to medias do ya ?

 

[Zolo]

You don't pay much attention to medias do ya ?

Far left is biggest threat to the world

 

[Logiko]

Far left is biggest threat to the world

Oh boi, you means that people who fight for more gender equality, who fight against capitalism, who fights against greedy corporations, who fight to make people aware of climate change, who fight to end racism and antisémitism, who fight to redistributes wealth and end richs priviledges, who fight against transphobia, who fight for better representation of women, who fight against patriarchy that is the cause for toxic and criminal behavior such as rapes or sexual assaults, and so on.....

... are worst than people that arbor Neonazi flags, scream antisemitic white supremacy and islamophobic rethoric and promote ultra nationalism, ultra liberalism and ultra conservatism ?

Damn.. I think your moral compass is broken mate..

 

[Zolo]

Oh boi, you means that people who fight for more gender equality, who fight against capitalism, who fights against greedy corporations, who fight to make people aware of climate change, who fight to end racism and antisémitism, who fight to redistributes wealth and end richs priviledges, who fight against transphobia, who fight for better representation of women, who fight against patriarchy that is the cause for toxic and criminal behavior such as rapes or sexual assaults, and so on.....

... are worst than people that arbor Neonazi flags, scream antisemitic white supremacy and islamophobic rethoric and promote ultra nationalism, ultra liberalism and ultra conservatism ?

Damn.. I think your moral compass is broken mate..

Those people are nazis. Who say to you they are solving problems that never existed .
Gender equality hasnt been an issue for so many years
Capitalism just works while communism doesnt
Climate changes since earth come into existance a fake problem to take more of your freedom and wealth
Racism isnt an issue since forever, but the blm and all other idiots are actually the real racists.
Somewhat under there rule now rich become more rich than ever. They need to up there game tbh
Transphobia isnt real nobody is afraid of people who have mental issues
Woman are overrepresented now lmao maybe they need little less presentation ans nobody likes marvel anymore and disney
Patriarchy isny real.

no ultra far right polititian is even popula candidate anywhere

 

[Logiko]

Those people are nazis. Who say to you they are solving problems that never existed .
Gender equality hasnt been an issue for so many years
Capitalism just works while communism doesnt
Climate changes since earth come into existance a fake problem to take more of your freedom and wealth
Racism isnt an issue since forever, but the blm and all other idiots are actually the real racists.
Somewhat under there rule now rich become more rich than ever. They need to up there game tbh
Transphobia isnt real nobody is afraid of people who have mental issues
Woman are overrepresented now lmao maybe they need little less presentation ans nobody likes marvel anymore and disney
Patriarchy isny real.

no ultra far right polititian is even popula candidate anywhere

I was half post when I realized that you were just trolling. Too bad that you are using your trolling power to fight for the bad guys.

 

[Okamakama]

Oh boi, you means that people who fight for more gender equality, who fight against capitalism, who fights against greedy corporations, who fight to make people aware of climate change, who fight to end racism and antisémitism, who fight to redistributes wealth and end richs priviledges, who fight against transphobia, who fight for better representation of women, who fight against patriarchy that is the cause for toxic and criminal behavior such as rapes or sexual assaults, and so on.....

... are worst than people that arbor Neonazi flags, scream antisemitic white supremacy and islamophobic rethoric and promote ultra nationalism, ultra liberalism and ultra conservatism ?

Damn.. I think your moral compass is broken mate..

The push for "gender equality" is resulting in more hatred between the sexes than ever before and the dissolution of the family unit which undermines the fabric of society.
The left is in bed with greedy corporations as much as the right. Check every major media outlet, they are left-wing, not all are 'far-left' but they are absolutely in bed with the corporatists. Check how Occupy Wall Street was ended before making a judgement. Check the financiers behind the initiative that pushes for more 'social justice' within companies (Blackrock and it's ESG initiative).
Climate change is pushed heavily by many multi-nationals. It is real, but overstated and is used as a fear-tactic to control the 'lessers' as they see them. Hence why they are pushing for the abolition of air travel, 5 minute cities that prevent you from leaving your town, etc (which even you would call authoritarian, I hope).
Check current TicTok trends and you'll see that the people who push antisemitism (Islam) are actually in bed with the LGBTQIA+ - with a massive uptake in reading the book.
The 'fight against transphobia' is overblown and an authoritarian way to create thought-crime laws.

You've suckled from the teet of the propagandists and just believed everything they said because they claim they're good people and want to help the world. They do not. They wish to control it.

Fucking hell, don't become right-wing... just stop being so extreme left. It's dangerous, Logiko.

 

[Logiko]

The push for "gender equality" is resulting in more hatred between the sexes than ever before and the dissolution of the family unit which undermines the fabric of society.

First, there is no hatred beside small circles and mostly against women.
Secondly not "resulting" more like "enlightening". The "hatred" women face has existed for millinias
Third, there is no "dissolution of the family unit" beside in your own head.

The left is in bed with greedy corporations as much as the right

Mh.. No. That's just plenly wrong. What you might be refering to are the "liberals". The liberals are NOT the left, they are entry rightist. or extrem centrist. (Macron / Biden etc.)

Check every major media outlet, they are left-wing

Not even close. You really are blind mate.
The media are ruling for liberals, capitalist and conservatist. again, not the left.

A simple way to understand that is that if media were indeed leftist like you say, there wouldn't be a blackout over the palestinian side of the current I/P conflict, media would be actually rooting ACTIVELY against Israel and not for them and there wouldn't be the type of pro-palestine (leftists) manifestation you can see all over the world.

So.. bad argument.

Check the financiers behind the initiative that pushes for more 'social justice' within companies

Financer are pushing for more progress because progress is the way to go, not the opposite. You might not see it, but people who like progress are actually quite large in number, so financer try to appeal to them /us. People like you don't like progress, but you are also not financing those type of stuff, so you are just not the target audience. Don't take it personnaly

Climate change is pushed heavily by many multi-nationals

That's a big miss mate. If climate change was heavily pushed by multi national, you would see MAJOR change in the way those multinational work.

Those thing you mention are NOTHING in comparison to what is actually needed to reverse the situation.

We are facing an extinction level event here, we are not just talking about the beach getting a bit hotter. We need DRASTIC mesure.

Check current TicTok trends and you'll see that the people who push antisemitism (Islam) are actually in bed with the LGBTQIA+ - with a massive uptake in reading the book.

If you check tiktok as a source, no wonder you have so much problem understanding reality...

Right now, antisemitism comes from the far right. There is indeed some antisemitism coming from the left but not as problematic.

The 'fight against transphobia' is overblown and an authoritarian way to create thought-crime laws.

Just no

They wish to control it.

You are confusing me for someone else. I actually know what propaganda looks like and what it feel to fall for it. Simply because I came back from it. I was on your side once and a complotist one. So I know.

Leftist don't seek to control you they seek to make you understand that you are not alone and that your freedom ends where other's start.

If you think that I'm extrem, boi do I have bad news for you. I'm not even radical.

 

[Okamakama]

He's a lost cause, brothers.

 

[Logiko]

He's a lost cause, brothers.

Dude, you don't care about facts, science and politic precision. I'm not the lost one.

 

[Zolo]

He's a lost cause, brothers.

He talks same point all the timw allways proven wrong but hes dedicated to hes craft

 

[Logiko]

He talks same point all the timw allways proven wrong but hes dedicated to hes craft

Almost never* proven wrong. Saying for example that scientist are only working for lobbies and are woke therefore sociology is not a science is not a proof, its ignorance at best and complotism at worst (and that was just one of the argument that was "tossed" at me.)

 

[Zolo]

Never* proven wrong. Saying for example that scientist are only working for lobbies and are woke therefore sociology is not a science is not a proof, its ignorance at best and complotism at worst (and that was just one of the argument that was "tossed" at me.)

You believe BS that is not inportant at all is important. As tax payer I refuse to support all the bullshit couses you lefturds invent

 

[Logiko]

You believe BS that is not inportant at all is important. As tax payer I refuse to support all the bullshit couses you lefturds invent

Going against capitalism and its miseries, calling out fascist and far right bigot, fighting for equity for all genders and LGBTQ°, fighting hate and promoting science...

All those things.. are a necessity in our world.. I'm sorry if the only thing that matter for you, is you.

 

[Zolo]

Going against capitalism and its miseries, calling out fascist and far right bigot, fighting for equity for all genders and LGBTQ°, fighting hate and promoting science...

All those things.. are a necessity in our world.. I'm sorry if the only thing that matter for you, is you.

Far right far right ... far left ir ruling the world and its not working. People are slaves and money is owned more by rich than ever before. Yeah its far right whose the problem even tho there is only less than 1% of those people in population haha.

 

[Logiko]

Far right far right ... far left ir ruling the world and its not working. People are slaves and money is owned more by rich than ever before. Yeah its far right whose the problem even tho there is only less than 1% of those people in population haha.

Same rethoric as Okama, sadly, this is ignorant at best. If far left was ruling the world, you would live in a much more peacefull society, trust me.

But that's interesting, you just said that far left is ruling the world and at the same time you said that money is owned more by rich than ever before.

So either you think that richs don't have any impact on the world or you think that rich people are far left.. In both case this the proof that you don't understand much about how the world work.

And far right being only 1% of the population ? Dude, I'm talking to at least one far rightist right now... and there is a lot more on this forum.. you really are a troll lol

 

[Zolo]

Same rethoric as Okama, sadly, this is ignorant at best. If far left was ruling the world, you would live in a much more peacefull society, trust me.

But that's interesting, you just said that far left is ruling the world and at the same time you said that money is owned more by rich than ever before.

So either you think that richs don't have any impact on the world or you think that rich people are far left.. In both case this the proof that you don't understand much about how the world work.

And far right being only 1% of the population ? Dude, I'm talking to at least one far rightist right now... and there is a lot more on this forum.. you really are a troll lol

You are troll. Everyone here is quite old school liberal. But far left calls everyone far right. And yes people who control what your money is worth controls the world