Controversial General Political Discussion
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@Logiko it's a general policy of almost any group for fans etc. to not talk about politics/religion and the like because they ruin communities when allowed. The world is made of different people with different opinions on things and usually the group that is formed, be it manga/music/tv/ etc. is to bring people together for a common interest they enjoy and to keep it that way, they remove subjects that rarely produce a productive dialogue so people can enjoy the content that the group was formed for.
This is my opinion and doesn't reflect the mods here or any other community. Just from my experience as a mod before on OJ where the mafia section somehow always turned controversial.
This is my opinion and doesn't reflect the mods here or any other community. Just from my experience as a mod before on OJ where the mafia section somehow always turned controversial.
Now that I had what I was looking for, I can now return to this thread:
You see, @Uncle Van , @AL sama and some other mods keep reappearing here to "mock" my argumentation over and over again and those nice fellow don't understand why in return, I'm calling them "liberals", "confusionnist", "apolitics" or "centrist". Well, here is why.
Because in reality, the depolitization of public debates is THE weapon used by liberals and capitalist in power in our modern age. This is the tool that used as a way to maintain the illusion of order and their way of keeping the power. Because, why would we need to politicize subject that seem in surface not related ? How can you maintain power when you actually believe in contradictory values ? Well.. you can't, so for that, you need to confuse the debate and stop people for thinking about what you believe in.
Let me quote you what I said on the thread about the political leaning of this forum:
"
What I didn't realized at the time is the political compass of the staff.
- Why are some mods considering that a forum for Mangas shouldn't get a political thread ?
- Why are some mods considering that saying that Minks are just dumb animals is completely normal ?
- Why are some mods considering that trashing Carrot a feminine girl and praising another girl Yamato because of her having masculine attribute (while trashing her actual personnality) is not revealing of any sexist behavior ?
- Why are some mods considering that some form of transphobia are not acceptable but others are ?
- Why are some mods tickled by the action of someone politically labelling others ?
- Why are some mods considering that trashing repetitively on a poster can't be considered toxic and in some cases harrassment ?
- Why are some mods considering normal that posters insults each others here ?
- Why are some mods considering we shouldn't act on the spread of negativity on a forum ?
- Why are some mods considering that calling out the toxicity of other is synonymous of being ourselve toxic ?
Added to that : the structures of power will always used their power/lies/gaslight/ to undermine the questionning of their structure. All the more in moments where the opposition has absolutely no way to contradict its words:
Remember what I said a few month ago: This forum is not just the place where a bunch of nerds reunites:
- The Staff/power is showing a face of apolitism but is really depicting liberals, anti leftist and centrist ideas (you can see that on this thread in majority)
- Toxicity is enabled in a number of discussion and the power only acts in the most radical cases (for example when there is clear case of harrasment and dogpilling, there is no reaction from the staff, and I'm not talking only about my case here)
- The majority of posters, just like in society are rejecting the politization of the story they are praising and are mostly leaning toward apolitism and liberalism. (a bit of progressism.. but not too much... Once someone question racist bias in a discussion, this is too much)
- There is a overwhelming presence of bigoted and conservative ideas and people in the places where politics are discussed and they bare an overwhelming stricking power.
- The radical, simple leftist ideas are invisibilized and laughed at. They are an extreme minority.
- The oppressions are only fought in surface and there is no systemic resolutions taken to stop any kind of bigotry
The point is simple : This forum is just a mini-representation of our society.
So.. what do we do when we want to better society ?
And the problem is not really van or Al, they are just the product of our politically confused society where nerd should not get to talk to much about politics in place were its not obvious.. They are the product of the win of "liberal centrism" the rise of conservatism and the depolitization of the masses..
But hey, this shouldn't stop us from questionning our environments.
Anyway.. note here the absence of warning shots. This time the staff/power knew that no matter how they acted, the debate would continue. So, the tool of the threadban was used. And it will continue as I will bring on and on politization of the subject and others.
So there are basically three way this could end:
- Either I stop talking about the political subjects because I'm tired of talking about it (lol, good luck with that)
- Either I'm banned definitely for keeping bringing up political subjects because those confused folks are tired of continuously banning me (and I will be ban again and again until they are tired of it)
- Either the staff understands that the rules about politics of the forum helps the invisibilization of strong important subjects and enable the development of toxic behaviors and they understands that politics have a place in EVERY debate as long as it is linked to the subject (like it was the case here) as politics are just the reflection on the conflict of values.
So.. @TheAncientCenturion , what is your prefered choice ?
Are you ready to endorse the definitive ban (or continuous ban) of someone on the principles that they are questionning the structure and political compass of your forum ?
Make a stance or ignore me mate. What do you believe in ?
You see, @Uncle Van , @AL sama and some other mods keep reappearing here to "mock" my argumentation over and over again and those nice fellow don't understand why in return, I'm calling them "liberals", "confusionnist", "apolitics" or "centrist". Well, here is why.
Because in reality, the depolitization of public debates is THE weapon used by liberals and capitalist in power in our modern age. This is the tool that used as a way to maintain the illusion of order and their way of keeping the power. Because, why would we need to politicize subject that seem in surface not related ? How can you maintain power when you actually believe in contradictory values ? Well.. you can't, so for that, you need to confuse the debate and stop people for thinking about what you believe in.
Let me quote you what I said on the thread about the political leaning of this forum:
"
What I didn't realized at the time is the political compass of the staff.
- Why are some mods considering that a forum for Mangas shouldn't get a political thread ?
- Why are some mods considering that saying that Minks are just dumb animals is completely normal ?
- Why are some mods considering that trashing Carrot a feminine girl and praising another girl Yamato because of her having masculine attribute (while trashing her actual personnality) is not revealing of any sexist behavior ?
- Why are some mods considering that some form of transphobia are not acceptable but others are ?
- Why are some mods tickled by the action of someone politically labelling others ?
- Why are some mods considering that trashing repetitively on a poster can't be considered toxic and in some cases harrassment ?
- Why are some mods considering normal that posters insults each others here ?
- Why are some mods considering we shouldn't act on the spread of negativity on a forum ?
- Why are some mods considering that calling out the toxicity of other is synonymous of being ourselve toxic ?
Added to that : the structures of power will always used their power/lies/gaslight/ to undermine the questionning of their structure. All the more in moments where the opposition has absolutely no way to contradict its words:
Remember what I said a few month ago: This forum is not just the place where a bunch of nerds reunites:
- The Staff/power is showing a face of apolitism but is really depicting liberals, anti leftist and centrist ideas (you can see that on this thread in majority)
- Toxicity is enabled in a number of discussion and the power only acts in the most radical cases (for example when there is clear case of harrasment and dogpilling, there is no reaction from the staff, and I'm not talking only about my case here)
- The majority of posters, just like in society are rejecting the politization of the story they are praising and are mostly leaning toward apolitism and liberalism. (a bit of progressism.. but not too much... Once someone question racist bias in a discussion, this is too much)
- There is a overwhelming presence of bigoted and conservative ideas and people in the places where politics are discussed and they bare an overwhelming stricking power.
- The radical, simple leftist ideas are invisibilized and laughed at. They are an extreme minority.
- The oppressions are only fought in surface and there is no systemic resolutions taken to stop any kind of bigotry
The point is simple : This forum is just a mini-representation of our society.
So.. what do we do when we want to better society ?
And the problem is not really van or Al, they are just the product of our politically confused society where nerd should not get to talk to much about politics in place were its not obvious.. They are the product of the win of "liberal centrism" the rise of conservatism and the depolitization of the masses..
But hey, this shouldn't stop us from questionning our environments.
Anyway.. note here the absence of warning shots. This time the staff/power knew that no matter how they acted, the debate would continue. So, the tool of the threadban was used. And it will continue as I will bring on and on politization of the subject and others.
So there are basically three way this could end:
- Either I stop talking about the political subjects because I'm tired of talking about it (lol, good luck with that)
- Either I'm banned definitely for keeping bringing up political subjects because those confused folks are tired of continuously banning me (and I will be ban again and again until they are tired of it)
- Either the staff understands that the rules about politics of the forum helps the invisibilization of strong important subjects and enable the development of toxic behaviors and they understands that politics have a place in EVERY debate as long as it is linked to the subject (like it was the case here) as politics are just the reflection on the conflict of values.
So.. @TheAncientCenturion , what is your prefered choice ?
Are you ready to endorse the definitive ban (or continuous ban) of someone on the principles that they are questionning the structure and political compass of your forum ?
Make a stance or ignore me mate. What do you believe in ?
1 .
trying to apply real world logic to a fictitious group of anthropomorphic furry people
and 2.
doing so in a not political thread
nothing to do with "liberal centrism"
Now that I had what I was looking for, I can now return to this thread:
You see, @Uncle Van , @AL sama and some other mods keep reappearing here to "mock" my argumentation over and over again and those nice fellow don't understand why in return, I'm calling them "liberals", "confusionnist", "apolitics" or "centrist". Well, here is why.
Because in reality, the depolitization of public debates is THE weapon used by liberals and capitalist in power in our modern age. This is the tool that used as a way to maintain the illusion of order and their way of keeping the power. Because, why would we need to politicize subject that seem in surface not related ? How can you maintain power when you actually believe in contradictory values ? Well.. you can't, so for that, you need to confuse the debate and stop people for thinking about what you believe in.
Let me quote you what I said on the thread about the political leaning of this forum:
"
What I didn't realized at the time is the political compass of the staff.
- Why are some mods considering that a forum for Mangas shouldn't get a political thread ?
- Why are some mods considering that saying that Minks are just dumb animals is completely normal ?
- Why are some mods considering that trashing Carrot a feminine girl and praising another girl Yamato because of her having masculine attribute (while trashing her actual personnality) is not revealing of any sexist behavior ?
- Why are some mods considering that some form of transphobia are not acceptable but others are ?
- Why are some mods tickled by the action of someone politically labelling others ?
- Why are some mods considering that trashing repetitively on a poster can't be considered toxic and in some cases harrassment ?
- Why are some mods considering normal that posters insults each others here ?
- Why are some mods considering we shouldn't act on the spread of negativity on a forum ?
- Why are some mods considering that calling out the toxicity of other is synonymous of being ourselve toxic ?
Added to that : the structures of power will always used their power/lies/gaslight/ to undermine the questionning of their structure. All the more in moments where the opposition has absolutely no way to contradict its words:
Remember what I said a few month ago: This forum is not just the place where a bunch of nerds reunites:
- The Staff/power is showing a face of apolitism but is really depicting liberals, anti leftist and centrist ideas (you can see that on this thread in majority)
- Toxicity is enabled in a number of discussion and the power only acts in the most radical cases (for example when there is clear case of harrasment and dogpilling, there is no reaction from the staff, and I'm not talking only about my case here)
- The majority of posters, just like in society are rejecting the politization of the story they are praising and are mostly leaning toward apolitism and liberalism. (a bit of progressism.. but not too much... Once someone question racist bias in a discussion, this is too much)
- There is a overwhelming presence of bigoted and conservative ideas and people in the places where politics are discussed and they bare an overwhelming stricking power.
- The radical, simple leftist ideas are invisibilized and laughed at. They are an extreme minority.
- The oppressions are only fought in surface and there is no systemic resolutions taken to stop any kind of bigotry
The point is simple : This forum is just a mini-representation of our society.
So.. what do we do when we want to better society ?
And the problem is not really van or Al, they are just the product of our politically confused society where nerd should not get to talk to much about politics in place were its not obvious.. They are the product of the win of "liberal centrism" the rise of conservatism and the depolitization of the masses..
But hey, this shouldn't stop us from questionning our environments.
Anyway.. note here the absence of warning shots. This time the staff/power knew that no matter how they acted, the debate would continue. So, the tool of the threadban was used. And it will continue as I will bring on and on politization of the subject and others.
So there are basically three way this could end:
- Either I stop talking about the political subjects because I'm tired of talking about it (lol, good luck with that)
- Either I'm banned definitely for keeping bringing up political subjects because those confused folks are tired of continuously banning me (and I will be ban again and again until they are tired of it)
- Either the staff understands that the rules about politics of the forum helps the invisibilization of strong important subjects and enable the development of toxic behaviors and they understands that politics have a place in EVERY debate as long as it is linked to the subject (like it was the case here) as politics are just the reflection on the conflict of values.
So.. @TheAncientCenturion , what is your prefered choice ?
Are you ready to endorse the definitive ban (or continuous ban) of someone on the principles that they are questionning the structure and political compass of your forum ?
Make a stance or ignore me mate. What do you believe in ?
You see, @Uncle Van , @AL sama and some other mods keep reappearing here to "mock" my argumentation over and over again and those nice fellow don't understand why in return, I'm calling them "liberals", "confusionnist", "apolitics" or "centrist". Well, here is why.
Because in reality, the depolitization of public debates is THE weapon used by liberals and capitalist in power in our modern age. This is the tool that used as a way to maintain the illusion of order and their way of keeping the power. Because, why would we need to politicize subject that seem in surface not related ? How can you maintain power when you actually believe in contradictory values ? Well.. you can't, so for that, you need to confuse the debate and stop people for thinking about what you believe in.
Let me quote you what I said on the thread about the political leaning of this forum:
"
What I didn't realized at the time is the political compass of the staff.
- Why are some mods considering that a forum for Mangas shouldn't get a political thread ?
- Why are some mods considering that saying that Minks are just dumb animals is completely normal ?
- Why are some mods considering that trashing Carrot a feminine girl and praising another girl Yamato because of her having masculine attribute (while trashing her actual personnality) is not revealing of any sexist behavior ?
- Why are some mods considering that some form of transphobia are not acceptable but others are ?
- Why are some mods tickled by the action of someone politically labelling others ?
- Why are some mods considering that trashing repetitively on a poster can't be considered toxic and in some cases harrassment ?
- Why are some mods considering normal that posters insults each others here ?
- Why are some mods considering we shouldn't act on the spread of negativity on a forum ?
- Why are some mods considering that calling out the toxicity of other is synonymous of being ourselve toxic ?
Added to that : the structures of power will always used their power/lies/gaslight/ to undermine the questionning of their structure. All the more in moments where the opposition has absolutely no way to contradict its words:
Remember what I said a few month ago: This forum is not just the place where a bunch of nerds reunites:
- The Staff/power is showing a face of apolitism but is really depicting liberals, anti leftist and centrist ideas (you can see that on this thread in majority)
- Toxicity is enabled in a number of discussion and the power only acts in the most radical cases (for example when there is clear case of harrasment and dogpilling, there is no reaction from the staff, and I'm not talking only about my case here)
- The majority of posters, just like in society are rejecting the politization of the story they are praising and are mostly leaning toward apolitism and liberalism. (a bit of progressism.. but not too much... Once someone question racist bias in a discussion, this is too much)
- There is a overwhelming presence of bigoted and conservative ideas and people in the places where politics are discussed and they bare an overwhelming stricking power.
- The radical, simple leftist ideas are invisibilized and laughed at. They are an extreme minority.
- The oppressions are only fought in surface and there is no systemic resolutions taken to stop any kind of bigotry
The point is simple : This forum is just a mini-representation of our society.
So.. what do we do when we want to better society ?
And the problem is not really van or Al, they are just the product of our politically confused society where nerd should not get to talk to much about politics in place were its not obvious.. They are the product of the win of "liberal centrism" the rise of conservatism and the depolitization of the masses..
But hey, this shouldn't stop us from questionning our environments.
Anyway.. note here the absence of warning shots. This time the staff/power knew that no matter how they acted, the debate would continue. So, the tool of the threadban was used. And it will continue as I will bring on and on politization of the subject and others.
So there are basically three way this could end:
- Either I stop talking about the political subjects because I'm tired of talking about it (lol, good luck with that)
- Either I'm banned definitely for keeping bringing up political subjects because those confused folks are tired of continuously banning me (and I will be ban again and again until they are tired of it)
- Either the staff understands that the rules about politics of the forum helps the invisibilization of strong important subjects and enable the development of toxic behaviors and they understands that politics have a place in EVERY debate as long as it is linked to the subject (like it was the case here) as politics are just the reflection on the conflict of values.
So.. @TheAncientCenturion , what is your prefered choice ?
Are you ready to endorse the definitive ban (or continuous ban) of someone on the principles that they are questionning the structure and political compass of your forum ?
Make a stance or ignore me mate. What do you believe in ?
Yes. Sometimes you need to break a few rules to make the power question itself. If you want you can keep the ban, or even ban me definitely. It will only prove my point in the end:
The nature of the structure of power of worstgen and by extention, the nature of the depolitization of art by the structure of power in the world and especially in young pop culture's fanbases.
If you think that, then you didn't understand what I said.
And this shows that you don't understand how political values and depolitization of art and public debate works in the world.
Not necessaraly, it can happen that politics can be allowed in discussion of not obvious subject. But what you are saying is precisely my point. The overwhelming majority of absence of politization of public discussion is an norm.
But what we must ask ourself, is why is this a norm ? Why are the discussion about politics limited to very specific (and you can check on this forum) and even OBSCURE and DEEPLY BURDEN spaces ?
The staffs will usually reply to you two things:
- Because politics are not related to the subject of discussion
- Because it can lead to toxicity
To those two reasons I call BS. First because we are talking constantly about a story where real political subject are put on the table (and the author is making real political stances), but also because the link between fiction and reality and the way we discuss about fiction is extremely politic, and secondly because if toxicity was a problem, mods would just have to do their job and stop it. So on one side they would love you to believe that they fight toxicity and on the other they are telling you that they can't fight it, which is a problem and revelating of real structure of power in society.
Depoliticizing a story that is politic and a debate that used political subjects is highly problematic and the reason why today, the people in power are the one who don't care about real life problems and only believe in their illusion of order through the depolitization of society.
Being in a group doesn't mean that we must prevent ourself from questionning the structures and political vision of the group. Because a lot of things can bring people together.. even fascism. Stopping ourself from questionning our political bias and visions is allowing the radicalization of the group toward toxic ideas or the enabling of the status co with a group endorsing problematic behaviors.
I was a mod once. And just like here, the structure of power was created in a way for people to stop having political discussions.
I know full well where this kind of policy can lead and spoiler: it doesn't stop toxicity and toxic behaviors from emerging. In fact its enables them as it doesn't question the sources of said behaviors.
Depolitization has only one result : the toxification of society.
The nature of the structure of power of worstgen and by extention, the nature of the depolitization of art by the structure of power in the world and especially in young pop culture's fanbases.
If you think that, then you didn't understand what I said.
And this shows that you don't understand how political values and depolitization of art and public debate works in the world.
Not necessaraly, it can happen that politics can be allowed in discussion of not obvious subject. But what you are saying is precisely my point. The overwhelming majority of absence of politization of public discussion is an norm.
But what we must ask ourself, is why is this a norm ? Why are the discussion about politics limited to very specific (and you can check on this forum) and even OBSCURE and DEEPLY BURDEN spaces ?
The staffs will usually reply to you two things:
- Because politics are not related to the subject of discussion
- Because it can lead to toxicity
To those two reasons I call BS. First because we are talking constantly about a story where real political subject are put on the table (and the author is making real political stances), but also because the link between fiction and reality and the way we discuss about fiction is extremely politic, and secondly because if toxicity was a problem, mods would just have to do their job and stop it. So on one side they would love you to believe that they fight toxicity and on the other they are telling you that they can't fight it, which is a problem and revelating of real structure of power in society.
Depoliticizing a story that is politic and a debate that used political subjects is highly problematic and the reason why today, the people in power are the one who don't care about real life problems and only believe in their illusion of order through the depolitization of society.
Being in a group doesn't mean that we must prevent ourself from questionning the structures and political vision of the group. Because a lot of things can bring people together.. even fascism. Stopping ourself from questionning our political bias and visions is allowing the radicalization of the group toward toxic ideas or the enabling of the status co with a group endorsing problematic behaviors.
I was a mod once. And just like here, the structure of power was created in a way for people to stop having political discussions.
I know full well where this kind of policy can lead and spoiler: it doesn't stop toxicity and toxic behaviors from emerging. In fact its enables them as it doesn't question the sources of said behaviors.
Depolitization has only one result : the toxification of society.
Imagine being so butthurt that you had to dig up old shit to try to make a point and even then it ends up in failure.Yeah there's got to be a limit to how hypocritical one can be. You made a thread called the "Left Space" and said it's not a place for right wing members or opinions in your mind. Constantly complained for them to get out, and even went to the mods to remove them. When you didn't get your way, asked for the whole thread to get nuked, removing all replies.
But in the instant your political posts are removed or get banned for not belonging in non-political threads, you complain. Just another advocate for change but only when it's to your benefit.
But in the instant your political posts are removed or get banned for not belonging in non-political threads, you complain. Just another advocate for change but only when it's to your benefit.
What old sh*t ?
Yup, its not. Tho I cannot prevent any bigot from talking in. I don't have any power here
Yup
As I understood that I should maybe take a different approach and allow more liberal people to enter the discussion instead of just reserving it to real leftists and more radical leftist
Hm, then you didn't understand the point at all. But its not surprising. Liberals usually don't get that.
I'm talking about the fact that we should allow the politization of debate.
No one, not even me, is saying that all people and all opinions should be allowed in every spaces.
Yup, its not. Tho I cannot prevent any bigot from talking in. I don't have any power here
Yup
As I understood that I should maybe take a different approach and allow more liberal people to enter the discussion instead of just reserving it to real leftists and more radical leftist
Hm, then you didn't understand the point at all. But its not surprising. Liberals usually don't get that.
I'm talking about the fact that we should allow the politization of debate.
No one, not even me, is saying that all people and all opinions should be allowed in every spaces.
What old sh*t ?
Yup, its not. Tho I cannot prevent any bigot from talking in. I don't have any power here
Yup
As I understood that I should maybe take a different approach and allow more liberal people to enter the discussion instead of just reserving it to real leftists and more radical leftist
Hm, then you didn't understand the point at all. But its not surprising. Liberals usually don't get that.
I'm talking about the fact that we should allow the politization of debate.
No one, not even me, is saying that all people and all opinions should be allowed in every spaces.
Yup, its not. Tho I cannot prevent any bigot from talking in. I don't have any power here
Yup
As I understood that I should maybe take a different approach and allow more liberal people to enter the discussion instead of just reserving it to real leftists and more radical leftist
Hm, then you didn't understand the point at all. But its not surprising. Liberals usually don't get that.
I'm talking about the fact that we should allow the politization of debate.
No one, not even me, is saying that all people and all opinions should be allowed in every spaces.
The world should be free from such bullshit.
WEF NWO Big Pharma and a bunch of other shit should be gutted.
