Controversial General Political Discussion

[Logiko]

Why are you using the most conspiratorial bs when we literally have videos of them attacking civilians

Because we also have video of Israelian killing Palestianian in cold blood.

In fact, that Oven story in reality happened TWICE.. but NOT against Israelians, but against Palestinians by Isralien.

- Once in 1948 during the
- The other (if I'm not mistaken) in 1982

Israelian actually took those stories and used desinformation to dehumanize the action of Hamas.

So.. if Hamas are terrorists, what about the gov of Israel actually using massive bombing and dehumanization processes to justify an ethnical cleansing and a colonization ?

 

[AL sama]

I mean they literally do commit terrorist acts by definition

I m not gonna defend hamas as they do some heinous things but my point is that the countries that sees hamas as a terrorist group don't even cover half the world

not to mention israel isn't innocent either and in a war we can't really judge any side cause they all have their fair share of good and bad deeds

 

[Herrera95]

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When is this dated and it is the current president opinion because Milei is calling Hamas as terrorist and the new nazism.

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So all the good and best countries recognize it but the dictatorship or 3rd Woeld countries doesn't. Interesting...

 

[Roo]

Because we also have video of Israelian killing Palestianian in cold blood.

In fact, that Oven story in reality happened TWICE.. but NOT against Israelians, but against Palestinians by Isralien.

- Once in 1948 during the
- The other (if I'm not mistaken) in 1982

Israelian actually took those stories and used desinformation to dehumanize the action of Hamas.

So.. if Hamas are terrorists, what about the gov of Israel actually using massive bombing and dehumanization processes to justify an ethnical cleansing and a colonization ?

lol this is whataboutism then? If you have to say “but but what about” something then your arguments aren’t strong enough to stand on their own

here I’ll drop the definition of terrorism for you;

the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.

If what you’re saying is true, and the goal was to further a political gain? Then yes, Israel committed terrorist acts. I know for sure they did prior to the establishment of the state
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I m not gonna defend hamas as they do some heinous things but my point is that the countries that sees hamas as a terrorist group don't even cover half the world

not to mention israel isn't innocent either and in a war we can't really judge any side cause they all have their fair share of good and bad deeds

The labeling of terrorist organizations by world leaders all depend on the relationship with said organization tbf. I think at some point the U.S refused to call the Afghan Mujahideen a terrorist organization and ironically the Al-Qaueda spawn from that.

I’m more focused on what he said. Because Hamas is fighting “colonization” they’re not terrorist. Like um no, you can still commit terrorist acts lol

 

[AL sama]

When is this dated and it is the current president opinion because Milei is calling Hamas as terrorist and the new nazism.

just google

So all the good and best countries recognize it but the dictatorship or 3rd Woeld countries doesn't. Interesting...

this is such a biased take lol

there's no good or bad country in this world

 

[Logiko]

lol this is whataboutism then? If you have to say “but but what about” something then your arguments aren’t strong enough to stand on their own

here I’ll drop the definition of terrorism for you;

the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.

If what you’re saying is true, and the goal was to further a political gain? Then yes, Israel committed terrorist acts. I know for sure they did prior to the establishment of the state

Yes. this is whataboutism. The right way to do it. Since I already explained to you why we can't use the term "terrorist" for Hamas, I'm now showing to you why we can't also use it for Israel.

No Israel didn't commit terrorist act, they commited war crime and are commiting a genocide. This is important because :

"The ICC Statute does not provide jurisdiction for prosecuting an offence of “terrorism” but may prosecute terrorist acts if they amount to war crimes, crimes against humanity, or genocide within the definition provided in the Statute."

https://www.unodc.org/documents/terrorism/Publications/FAQ/English.pdf

in short, a terrorist organization can't be judge, but war crimes, genocides and crimes against humanity CAN. This is why we can't call Hamas or Israel terrorists but "organizations who committed war crimes"

This is why for example in France only ONE party (LFI) choose not to denouce Hamas as a terrorist organization but choosed to denounce the WAR CRIME that the Hamas did on october 7th. They actually know their stuff

 

[AL sama]

The labeling of terrorist organizations by world leaders all depend on the relationship with said organization tbf. I think at some point the U.S refused to call the Afghan Mujahideen a terrorist organization and ironically the Al-Qaueda spawn from that.

exactly lol

I’m more focused on what he said. Because Hamas is fighting “colonization” they’re not terrorist. Like um no, you can still commit terrorist acts lol

like I said hamas indeed does some nasty things

 

[Herrera95]

People gotta consider that Israel is pumping out a ton of cash to countries to push Pro-Israel and Anti-Hamas propaganda.

Where is that money and propaganda? Because Israel is in need of external money to keep their protection. That's why USA, UK and other countries are aiding Israel. And what I see is a mass disinformation and propaganda anti Israel (sometimes even anti Jew) and I even have an online friend from Israel that her impression was that the whole world hates her and Israelis and wanted them dead.

AL just showed the map of countries who consider Hamas a terrorist group so it is pretty clear who is doing the mass disinformation.
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just google

Just saw it is not the current president opinion. Milei is working to change that in Argentina.

 

[Roo]

Yes. this is whataboutism. The right way to do it. Since I already explained to you why we can't use the term "terrorist" for Hamas, I'm now showing to you why we can't also use it for Israel.

No Israel didn't commit terrorist act, they commited war crime and are commiting a genocide. This is important because :

"The ICC Statute does not provide jurisdiction for prosecuting an offence of “terrorism” but may prosecute terrorist acts if they amount to war crimes, crimes against humanity, or genocide within the definition provided in the Statute."

https://www.unodc.org/documents/terrorism/Publications/FAQ/English.pdf

in short, a terrorist organization can't be judge, but war crimes, genocides and crimes against humanity CAN. This is why we can't call Hamas or Israel terrorists but "organizations who committed war crimes"

This is why for example in France only ONE party (LFI) choose not to denouce Hamas as a terrorist organization but choosed to denounce the WAR CRIME that the Hamas did on october 7th. They actually know their stuff

I literally gave you the definition of what terrorism is and how it easily applies to Hamas. If you don’t like that then youre just denying reality. I can easily say Israel is/has committed terrorist acts because I am not beholden to some world view. You cannot say the same

 

[Logiko]

Just saw it is not the current president opinion. Milei is working to change that in Argentina.

By slicing it with a chainsaw. Good job.

it is pretty clear who is doing the mass disinformation.

Yup.. Israel.

I literally gave you the definition of what terrorism is and how it easily applies to Hamas. If you don’t like that then youre just denying reality.

I'm literally quoting you international laws mate. Relax and humble yourself.

 

[AL sama]

Just saw it is not the current president opinion. Milei is working to change that in Argentina.

that doesn't change my point at all

 

[Roo]

I'm literally quoting you international laws mate. Relax and humble yourself.

Are you slow? Why do you appeal to an authority that doesn’t even prosecute terrorism when talking about terrorism?

LMAO

 

[Logiko]

Are you slow? Why do you appeal to an authority that doesn’t even prosecute terrorism when talking about terrorism?

LMAO

Because that's the authority that can judge those acts with the most severity on the planet. If you are not okay with that, go take a trip on Mars.

 

[Roo]

Because that's the authority that can judge those acts with the most severity on the planet. If you are not okay with that, go take a trip on Mars.

Does ICJ prosecute petty theft? No right? Can I not claim someone is stealing or do I need the ICJ’s approval to do so?

You don’t realize how stupid your constant appeal to authority makes you look and the lack of self awareness is hilarious. We’re not talking about criminal charges here, we’re talking about actions and definitions.

 

[AL sama]

its kinda funny how my one liners are more cemented in reality than some of these essays

 

[Herrera95]

I know for sure they did prior to the establishment of the state

What
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that doesn't change my point at all

Didn't said it changed.

 

[AL sama]

Didn't said it changed.

the implication was there

 

[Herrera95]

By slicing it with a chainsaw. Good job.

A libertarian president saving Argentina from the woke politics it used to apply must hurt you deeply doesn't it?

https://en.mercopress.com/2024/04/0...-but-says-social-and-political-support-needed
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the implication was there

The other post is the important one. This I didn't even knew it was sent because of an error I got in the website.

 

[AL sama]

If what you’re saying is true, and the goal was to further a political gain? Then yes, Israel committed terrorist acts. I know for sure they did prior to the establishment of the state

do you think the way they've been suppressing palestine all the time is any less than an act of violence??

 

[Logiko]

Does ICJ prosecute petty theft? No right? Can I not claim someone is stealing or do I need the ICJ’s approval to do so?

You don’t realize how stupid your constant appeal to authority makes you look and the lack of self awareness is hilarious. We’re not talking about criminal charges here, we’re talking about actions and definitions.

I think that you don't understand what we are talking about here in the first place. And that's the problem with people who don't read correctly posts.

Maybe you are thinking that me not calling Hamas a terrorist organization is a way to undermine their action. But what you would understand if you read correctly what I'm saying that I want people to actually be treated PROPORTIONNALY to their crimes. And those types of crimes are BEYOND the simple crimes that can be judge on a local criminal trial. Those needs to be judged on the INTERNATIONAL bar.

What Hamas did is INEXCUSABLE so the people who did that need to be held accountable DRASTICALLY for that. And in the same way, what is doing Israel right now can't be let without an international reply.

What you are not understanding, is that we are talking about war crimes and genocide here. Its time for you guys to get the scale of what we are dealing with here both on Hamas's side AND on Israel's and stop playing with definition you don't understand.

A libertarian president saving Argentina from the woke politics it used to apply must hurt you deeply doesn't it?

https://en.mercopress.com/2024/04/0...-but-says-social-and-political-support-needed

No, it will only hurt Argentinians and mostly Argentinians women and argentinians minorities, I will not be impacted by his politics.