Controversial General Political Discussion

[Peroroncino]

I see that you didn't understand what I said..



That's why we must look at the historical and political context of words to understand them, not just depoliticized definitions.

Looking only at definitions is a way to forget about history.

oh i understood all right, you made up your own definition of liberalism and then you expect others to argue not with reality but with your made up definitions of it.
I see why they ignore you, one cannot argue against someone else's imagination

 

[Logiko]

oh i understood all right, you made up your own definition of liberalism and then you expect others to argue not with reality but with your made up definitions of it.

I did not made up any definition. I explained the political reality behind the concept. If you want I could also explain its historical context from its English origin to the appropriation of enlightened philosophers (Kant for ex)... but I'm sure you would deny that as well.. right ?

 

[Peroroncino]

I did not made up any definition. I explained the political reality behind the concept. If you want I could also explain its historical context from its English origin to the appropriation of enlightened philosophers (Kant for ex)... but I'm sure you would deny that as well.. right ?

whether it's the political reality or not is a matter of opinion but arguing with you is pointless because in your world words mean whatever you want them to

 

[Logiko]

whether it's the political reality or not is a matter of opinion

No its not. Its what liberalism is mate. Its not "relative"

You can promote this ideology if you want, but you need to understand what it is.

 

[Zenos7]

Are we going by actual definitions or made up versions that we personally prefer?

Never go by actual definitions
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I'm not saying that we should end definition. I'm saying that we should end the injonction of sticking to definition during discussions. Word matter, but they matter because of their contextual usage, their historical and political meaning.

You know dictionaries can cover multiple definitions for words depending on context, right?

 

[Logiko]

You know dictionaries can cover multiple definitions for words depending on context, right?

Indeed, and those definition might be interesting to start a subject, not necessaraly when we dive deeper in the historical and political reality of words.

Language is a living thing. Dictionnaries are not the best tool to take that into account.

 

[Starbound Beast D. Draig]

Spoiler: OMG!!! NO WAY!!! F@CK!!!

 

[Tobra]

Iran launched drones on their way to israel

hope they destroy each other 🙏

 

[Phoenix D. King]

Iran launched drones on their way to israel

hope they destroy each other 🙏

the best outcome ofc

 

[Logiko]

Iran launched drones on their way to israel

hope they destroy each other 🙏

What about hoping for a desascalation instead ?

 

[Ravagerblade]

What about hoping for a desascalation instead ?

I'm with you on this one. haha People need to stop dying. and So far just making war hasn't been a good thing.

 

[Tobra]

What about hoping for a desascalation instead ?

hell no

 

[Apollo]

What about hoping for a desascalation instead ?

Pretty much impossible since Israel struck the Iranian embassy in Damascus. Whether it happens will be seen after the attack, but deescalation will not happen on a single front of this conflict while Gaza is still being leveled.

 

[Logiko]

Pretty much impossible since Israel struck the Iranian embassy in Damascus. Whether it happens will be seen after the attack, but deescalation will not happen on a single front of this conflict while Gaza is still being leveled.

Well, hope for the impossible

 

[Natalija]

https://x.com/RishiSunak/status/1779256852057874718

 

[Toby D. Dog]

hell no

Ok, more dead people is always better.

 

[Tobra]

Ok, more dead people is always better.

Better than just the status quo of Palestinians getting genocieded and israel and iran+friends just having skirmishes for 6 months now

 

[Toby D. Dog]

Better than just the status quo of Palestinians getting genocieded and israel and iran+friends just having skirmishes for 6 months now

This will only result in more victims on the Palestinian side as well. But go off, this will definitely help them in their plight.

 

[TheLastBerserker]

tfw OP is coming back but WW3 might be around the corner

 

[Monkey D Theories]

I was at this jewish event and I was talking to this guy

He was a ukrainian jew.

And we were talking about the history of Ukraine and how Ukraine has always been under the foot of Russia. Not only now but during the soviet union. Yet only a bit later in the conversation, he talked about how he was pro israel.

I don't get how some people hold literally contradictory views so long as its in their benefit. Russia is doing literally the same thing to Ukraine that Israel is doing to Palestine. With literally the exact same justification.
Russia: We have a historical right to Ukraine because of the soviet union, the kievan rus, etc.
Israel: We have a historical right to the west bank because of judaea and samaria

Russia: We need to invade Ukraine because they are nazis
Israel: We need to obliterate gaza because they are nazis
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But his position wasn't particularly new. This is the position the entire west has taken.

We support Ukraine because its in our interests.
We support Israel because its also supposedly in our interests.

Absolutely zero recognition of basic morality.

Joe Biden accused Russia of doing genocide in Ukraine but G-d forbid anyone say the same for Israel.