Controversial General Political Discussion

[Logiko]

Yes because Kamala is specifically giving weapons to israel with the explicit mission to kill all Muslims(?)

bruh lmao.

This was an image mate. But EVEN THEN:

> She knows what the weapon are used for
> She knows on who the weapon are used
> She knows that this is a genocide
> She knows that ALL the progressist populations of the world are denouncing the genocide
> She knows that the international court have been denouncing crimes against humanity
> She knows that Israel will not stop
> She knows that if Israel do not stop, there is a total war looming.

So, IF she knows all of that and still want to send weapon with the justification that she is helping a friend...

She is complicit.

 

[Ravagerblade]

Vance winning the debate.

 

[AL sama]

utopia is nothing more than a fantasy

 

[Logiko]

utopia is nothing more than a fantasy

Indeed. I'm not aiming for an utopia.

 

[AL sama]

Indeed. I'm not aiming for an utopia.

your idea of a healthy society is nothing short of it

see ya

 

[CoC: Color of Clowns]

Logiko is the Kaido of the politics thread, fighting everyone at once and doomed to lose

 

[Uncle Van]

In an healthy society and educated nation. There is no need for the people to reject the "nonsense" of the gov since the gov will most likely be more positive than it is negative.

And thus, saying that they force social discourse in this context is like saying that healthy government will simply do bad reforms to divide when it's actually the opposite.

Under an healthy governement, you get social rights, your get working rights, you gets better education and health systems, better scientific fundings, less securitary fundings, an healthy acceptance of immigration, better international projects, less tension, better wages, better wealth distribution etc.

Under an healthy society, gov do not seek to divide, they strive toward peace. It's only when rightists or authoritarian take the power that things start to go wrong.

You are once again trying to confuse people with a false reality here.

It's liberals and conservative who want those divisions or strive to attack people's rights. And when they are in power, there is no such thing as an healthy society, even when they are progressive.

So saying some social issues are fabricated and/or exaggerated to create outrage is somehow liberal, conservative or right wing.

Always trying to twist people's posts to be from the lense of a liberal, conservative or right winger. Can't even say LGBT suffered from propaganda about without you trying to toss liberal or whatever agenda into it

Logiko is the Kaido of the politics thread, fighting everyone at once and doomed to lose

More like Caribou. Lost multiple times but keeps crawling back.

 

[Ravagerblade]

Logiko is the Kaido of the politics thread, fighting everyone at once and doomed to lose

He's more like Yamcha... or Usopp maybe... none of the positive traits though.

 

[Logiko]

your idea of a healthy society is nothing short of it

see ya

For 30 seconds, ask yourself where this "anything a bit too progressive is utopic and can't work" belief comes from. You should be facing someone very cynical that tried to prevent you from thinking about a better society.

Go back to that moment and put your hand on the mouth of that person.

So saying some social issues are fabricated and/or exaggerated to create outrage is somehow liberal, conservative or right wing.

Always trying to twist people's posts to be from the lense of a liberal, conservative or right winger. Can't even say LGBT suffered from propaganda about without you trying to toss liberal or whatever agenda into it

The problem is that you form twisted post at the beginning. What I do is antwist them, that why you get frustrated.

I explained why your post was fallacious to begin with. Please, read my post in front of your post I was replying to.

Logiko is the Kaido of the politics thread, fighting everyone at once and doomed to lose

As long as people will seek to live happily, the arrow of social progress will be inevitable.

I'm fighting a fight that I know is already won mate. What I'm trying to do here, is simply trying to push you mates to realize that you lost before everyone else and thus pushing this place to be ahead of its time.

But you are refusing to listen and it's ok. I do not defend anything really exceptionnal here, what I say is actually pretty standard. And it's possible that you guys die one day without even realizing that you were wrong to laugh at me, but be aware of this : History do not forget and is not kind to people who fought against progress.

 

[Uncle Van]

For 30 seconds, ask yourself where this "anything a bit too progressive is utopic and can't work" belief comes from. You should be facing someone very cynical that tried to prevent you from thinking about a better society.

Go back to that moment and put your hand on the mouth of that person.



The problem is that you form twisted post at the beginning. What I do is antwist them, that why you get frustrated.

I explained why your post was fallacious to begin with. Please, read my post in front of your post I was replying to.

You said I'm trying to confuse people, instead of answering my question earlier. Was that not a fabrication of a social issue to divide and conquer? Miss me with the long ass replies of "society and liberals!"

I said something, you questioned it, I asked a question, and you gave a long speech without answering it.

 

[Logiko]

Was that not a fabrication of a social issue to divide and conquer?

Yes and no. Some could say that it's a reactance and other that it is deliberate. But the thing is, it's not pertinent.

The reason why I said you tried to confuse people is your premisse. You talked about an healthy and educated society. But you also assimilate this society with a gov that create social issues to divide.

>>

There's also the fact that a healthy and educated nation are more unionized and easily reject Govenrment nonsense, as seen back in the 60s. Solution? Fabricate a ton of social issues to divide the people

Things is : In this type of society, the gov is a highly progressive one, NEVER a conservative one. Hence, when you say that the gov create social issues to divide people you are confusing a progressive gov with creation of social issues made to divide people.

I'm only analysing what you wrote in front of the reality of the world. If you don't meant that, don't wrote that.

(And if what I just said about healthy and educated nation being only progressive ones makes you tick, look at the history of the world)

 

[Uncle Van]

Yes and no. Some could say that it's a reactance and other that it is deliberate. But the thing is, it's not pertinent.

The reason why I said you tried to confuse people is your premisse. You talked about an healthy and educated society. But you also assimilate this society with a gov that create social issues to divide.

>>

Things is : In this type of society, the gov is a highly progressive one, NEVER a conservative one. Hence, when you say that the gov create social issues to divide people you are confusing a progressive gov with creation of social issues made to divide people.

I'm only analysing what you wrote in front of the reality of the world. If you don't meant that, don't wrote that.

(And if what I just said about healthy and educated nation being only progressive ones makes you tick, look at the history of the world)

So as usual, you interpret what I said in a deliberately specific way to spout on about "right wing bad", ignoring U.S. history.

When a nation is more united, it can be good or bad for the government depending on the interests. U.S. citizens in the 60s were more wealthy and educated, which lead to lots of student protest, particularly about Vietnam. By the 80s, education was tied to a loan which made education levels drop, and many more social issues came about or intensified to distract from economic ones.

There's alot more to this, and what I said is clearly very broad. As said before, you choose specifics to hawk on about morality, and liberalism and conservatism.

Post automatically merged: Oct 2, 2024

Welp there goes my post limit. Farewell

 

[Logiko]

So as usual, you interpret what I said in a deliberately specific way to spout on about "right wing bad", ignoring U.S. history.

No interpretation, just the pure analysis of what you said in front of historic evidence. And as usual, you refuse to accept it.

When a nation is more united, it can be good or bad for the government depending on the interests.

You talk about an healthy and educated society and nation. Unity has nothing to do with that. The government's interest in an healthy and educated society is the people ALWAYS the people, if it's something else, it's not an healthy society.

U.S. citizens in the 60s were more wealthy and educated

This doesn't negate what I said, you had the educated part, but you didn't have the healthy one. Also.. source ?

By the 80s, education was tied to a loan which made education levels drop, and many more social issues came about or intensified to distract from economic ones.

Which is once again just a liberal point of view. The reason why social issues started to developp is because the streets and social activist were more educated and therefore fought effectively following the previous established social rights (and here I'm talking about France but I'm sure it works for the US too.

Your problem is that your separate social issues and economic one. I don't. Economic issues faced by people in precarity ARE social issues.

I do not search "specific" to lash on liberal or conservatism. EVERYTHING is a testimony of why we should lash on liberalism and conservatism.

The day you understand that might come to late, but like I said, history remembers. Stop protecting the dominant. Start understanding why I'm fighting.

 

[CoC: Color of Clowns]

So saying some social issues are fabricated and/or exaggerated to create outrage is somehow liberal, conservative or right wing.

Always trying to twist people's posts to be from the lense of a liberal, conservative or right winger. Can't even say LGBT suffered from propaganda about without you trying to toss liberal or whatever agenda into it





More like Caribou. Lost multiple times but keeps crawling back.

Caribou beating Scotch is Over 9000 times more worthwhile than whatever the hell this man has been posting in this thread for a year.

Caribou is like Caesar, IMO, he's a strong gimmick fighter that goes down fast against fast fighters with solid Haki. But whereas Caesar's arrogance is his downfall (and just being a jackass in general) Caribou's problems really are just that he's totally nuts. Man prays to God for mercy directly after killing people. NUTS.

 

[Uncle Van]

Start understanding why I'm fighting.

You're not fighting for anything. In fact, you're not fighting at all. Staying at home all day preaching to strangers on an anime forum, in the corner of the internet, helps no one. Some of us are actually working to put food on the table. Some of us donate resources to orphanages. Some of us like me get stabbed and shot at to keep people alive. Some of us do public speaking to keep people motivated. Some of us are in education to raise kids right. Some of us are in clinics easing the pain of those with mental issues.

A bunch of us are out here actively trying to make things better for ourselves and others, while all you can do is sit behind a screen and force your ideology on a bunch of weebs and insult them, on a forum about fictional pirates.

Here's some advice: if you wanna reach people, you first have to be a decent enough person to listen to. No one would wanna take fitness advice from someone who never works out. And nah nothing personal

 

[NikaInParis]

Bro,wtf?

They were blowing hot air for months without ever following through

 

[Zenos7]

you believe in cryptids?

Just bigfoot. Chupacabra, nessie, etc are bullshit sadly.

 

[Mathias]

Just heard a big alarm across Paris

I thought we were getting nuked but then I remembered that its the exact time for the monthly national testing of the alarm

 

[Logiko]

You're not fighting for anything. In fact, you're not fighting at all. Staying at home all day preaching to strangers on an anime forum, in the corner of the internet, helps no one.

Oh, so that's how it is. We go into the personal now ?

Who the hell made you think that you were legitimate to have the right to judge my way of fighting bigotry ? Hm?

Some of us are actually working to put food on the table. Some of us donate resources to orphanages.

Good

Some of us like me get stabbed and shot at to keep people alive.

If that's too hard for you that you have to complain, change your job, I'm not responsible for your bad descisions.

Some of us do public speaking to keep people motivated.

Good

Some of us are in education to raise kids right.

Good

Some of us are in clinics easing the pain of those with mental issues.

Good

A bunch of us are out here actively trying to make things better for ourselves and others, while all you can do is sit behind a screen and force your ideology on a bunch of weebs and insult them, on a forum about fictional pirates.

Here's some advice: if you wanna reach people, you first have to be a decent enough person to listen to. No one would wanna take fitness advice from someone who never works out. And nah nothing personal

So.. all of this little whining to say to me that your life is hard and that I'm not legitimate because I'm not actually working like you do or doing anything else that being behind a screen.

Wait.. I think it reminds me of something I said just a few week ago ? Wait.. I'm sure I will be able to find it back

*ramble ramble*

OH ! Here it is ! >>

Meritocracy shapes the system that is capitalism. Capitalism would not be able to stand completely without this belief, this belief is PART of the system. It shapes how people thinks about their situation, how people act for their own interest and how people interact with each others. Meritocracy literally acts as a sub system inside the system. A personnal constitution for all people. It's the glue that holds the system together.

For ex: When someone tells me that I'm not legitimate to have a political opinions (Edit : or fight my own way, it goes with it), simply because I'm not a productive member of society (in the capitalist sence) and because of my situation laugh at me or insult me, well.. they are forcing ableism ON me IN capitalism BECAUSE OF a meritocratic belief that only people who are "productive members" of society are legitimate and worthy to be rewarded, because they put their "efforts" in.

It's funny Van.. how each time your are trying to prove me that you are a rationnal person, you manage to show just how politically lost you are while proving how mean you can be.

Nothing personnal indeed. Except everything

 

[NAMELESS]

Just bigfoot. Chupacabra, nessie, etc are bullshit sadly.

Actually, i believe there were some cases of goats getting their entire blood sucked out somewhere in central america,so Chupacabra isn't that far fetched. I think it was Panama. But then again, cases like this are associated with UFO sightings. Check out thefactsbyhowtohunt.com and canam missing project on youtube. The first is about big foot and the second one is about people that go missing in parks and forested areas. They both deal with real life case studies. Its pretty interesting and creepy. I believe there is something out there too.