The problem of South America goes far beyond gun control.
Gun control down here only serves to let people be completely defenseless in face of violent criminals. You think the police go up those favelas to protect citizens from killers? Answer: They don't.
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The problem of South America goes far beyond gun control.
Its not only about Latin America. Its about citizens right of self defense and insurrectional power. Even in places like Japan there are killers. The victim is always the first responder.
 
- We know Human societies are influenced by material conditions. It's a scientific consensus.
- We know that reducing gun will reduce Gun violences. It's also a scientific consensus.

So can we stop the assertion that because we want to ban things, then it's because we are treating citizens like toddlers ?

We don't live in an idealist but a materialistic world. If we don't modify the material conditions in which humans are evolving, there are NO CHANGES possible.
My fluffy you're not answering my question. There is no need to repeat your last posts again, I already read them and they lack understanding of the actual problems at hand. And since you seem to hold the opinion that banning things willy nilly is not a problem–what about banning knives not only outside but in our homes? What about banning all work utensils and criminalizing manual work, home cooking, gardening etc? Let's force the people to pay specialized companies for such mundane tasks because allowing them to own utensils is too dangerous because they are dumb and potential criminals& murderers. Don't tell me you don't see where this is heading fluffy. Come on :lawsigh:
C4N can't understand freedom:pepestop:
In.all honesty, I hate what the likes of you have done to the word freedom.

Crime won't stop come organized crimes gives no shit about laws.
This.
Look up any gore website and you will see Brazilian and Mexican gang members absolutely brutalizing unarmed people.
Oh yes. And their rival gang members.
The problem of South America goes far beyond gun control.
Oh boy you have never been 'ore correct about anything.
You think the police go up those favelas to protect citizens from killers?
No because the police ARE the gangsters. Police and politicians also profit from the drug trade.
 
Gun control down here only serves to let people be completely defenseless in face of violent criminals.


Its not only about Latin America. Its about citizens right of self defense and insurrectional power. Even in places like Japan there are killers. The victim is always the first responder.
> Science says no.


what about banning knives not only outside but in our homes?
Knives are necessary to live and cook, guns are not. Fallacious comparison.

If you want to stop organized crime, the solution is not to bring more violence to the fight, but erease the reasons why there is a fight in the first place.

Think outside the box fluffy
 
My fluffy you're not answering my question. There is no need to repeat your last posts again, I already read them and they lack understanding of the actual problems at hand. And since you seem to hold the opinion that banning things willy nilly is not a problem–what about banning knives not only outside but in our homes? What about banning all work utensils and criminalizing manual work, home cooking, gardening etc? Let's force the people to pay specialized companies for such mundane tasks because allowing them to own utensils is too dangerous because they are dumb and potential criminals& murderers. Don't tell me you don't see where this is heading fluffy. Come on :lawsigh:

In.all honesty, I hate what the likes of you have done to the word freedom.


This.

Oh yes. And their rival gang members.

Oh boy you have never been 'ore correct about anything.

No because the police ARE the gangsters. Police and politicians also profit from the drug trade.
They do. These are narco states down here.
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> Science says no.



Knives are necessary to live and cook, guns are not. Fallacious comparison.


If you want to stop organized crime, the solution is not to bring more violence to the fight, but erease the reasons why there is a fight in the first place.

Think outside the box fluffy
Why is it the police and army have guns then? For public safety. What about personal defense? They ain't body guards. Citizens have a human right of self defense too, moron.
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If you want to stop organized crime, the solution is not to bring more violence to the fight, but erease the reasons why there is a fight in the first place.

Think outside the box fluffy
ohh yeah,crime is fought with flowers,candy and by singing imagine.
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> Science says no.
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Science says yes.
In reality, there is no correlation to more or less gun contributing to crime. Guns don't go floating around killing people. Where there is organized crime, there will be more gun deaths. It is as simple as that. Gun control only stops people from defending themselves.
"Article 3
Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person."
https://www.un.org/en/about-us/universal-declaration-of-human-rights
 
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Knives are necessary to live and cook
Not once the government decides that cooking is illegal without a special license and a seperate permit. We're not in the middle ages after all, nobody has to get their hands dirty with food anymore. Let the professionals and the industry handle such affairs!
If you want to stop organized crime, the solution is not to bring more violence to the fight, but erease the reasons why there is a fight in the first place.
This works in the early stages. Not at the current stage where literal criminal parallel societies exist and organized crime owns large amounts of military grade weaponry and is more internationally connected than ever before.
They ain't body guards. Citizens have a human right of self defense too, moron.
The police arrive after the crime has already happened+they don't personally care about you because it's only a job+nobody in their right mind wants to become a victim of crime


ohh yeah,crime is fought with flowers,candy and by singing imagine.
Goodness this song is terrible :milaugh:
 
Not once the government decides that cooking is illegal without a special license and a seperate permit. We're not in the middle ages after all, nobody has to get their hands dirty with food anymore. Let the professionals and the industry handle such affairs!

This works in the early stages. Not at the current stage where literal criminal parallel societies exist and organized crime owns large amounts of military grade weaponry and is more internationally connected than ever before.

The police arrive after the crime has already happened+they don't personally care about you because it's only a job+nobody in their right mind wants to become a victim of crime



Goodness this song is terrible :milaugh:
yeah
 
If only I got 50 € for each insults and attack on my personnal life I got today....

:goatasure:

Why is it the police and army have guns then? For public safety. What about personal defense? They ain't body guards. Citizens have a human right of self defense too, moron.
Because the capitalist system doesn't know how to handle social crisis other than with force.


ohh yeah,crime is fought with flowers,candy and by singing imagine.
No. Through structural and material change.

In reality, there is no correlation to more or less gun contributing to crime.
> Leftist library

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- [VIDEO] - We need to reform the police (and not only in the US) - Last Week with John Oliver


Not once the government decides that cooking is illegal without a special license and a seperate permit. We're not in the middle ages after all, nobody has to get their hands dirty with food anymore. Let the professionals and the industry handle such affairs!
Can you be reasonnable please ? You know full well what problem cause guns. You are trolling here.


This works in the early stages. Not at the current stage where literal criminal parallel societies exist and organized crime owns large amounts of military grade weaponry and is more internationally connected than ever before.
It work at every stages. It will just be harder now
 
Why are you quoting this again? It's not relevant to the current discussion.
Can you be reasonnable please ? You know full well what problem cause guns. You are trolling here
I am extrapolating to point out the dangers of indiscriminate bans of everything in everyday life.
It work at every stages. It will just be harder now
My God :lawsigh: will you leave your fluffy lil bubble for once? The love and peace approach works for youth prevention programmes and small time criminals, not with hardened gangsters, those will only exploit the system.
 
Fluffy, will you ever get off your high ass horse for duck's sake? It's so cringe at this point, I'm feeling second hand embarrassment from reading your condescending, arrogant posts with that holier than thou attitude, overuse of Latin-based words and authoritative statements. You're not anybody's parent or teacher here. Holy hell
That's nice, Solis.
 
You are the guy at 2:17 trying to talk things out.
You made that "joke" probably because you think I'm talking in a liberal and individualistic way.

The materialist vision of the problem is structural, it has nothing to do with individual behaviors or situation, it has to do with changing the system and the material conditions that push those people to behave that way and that prevent society to stop them.

You are playing a game of Tic-tac-toe when I'm playing 3D chest
 
2. The number of war related death caused by capitalist wars between 1914-1992 has been estimated around 150 MILLIONS.
Capitalism us responsible for innumerable modern genocides in the 21 century alone, capitalism threatens the survival of ecosystems and by extension the survival of the human race.

We are talking about guns. A powerfull weapon. It's fallacious to compare this with a knife ban.
well they wanted to lower the legal knive length from 12 cm to 6cm length here, after a bunch of attacks with 20 and 30 cm long knives which makes no sense whatsoever but banning things gives off the illusion that problems are being tackled I guess.

That's the words of someone who doesn't want to try.
You grossly misunderstood me.
 
You made that "joke" probably because you think I'm talking in a liberal and individualistic way.

The materialist vision of the problem is structural, it has nothing to do with individual behaviors or situation, it has to do with changing the system and the material conditions that push those people to behave that way and that prevent society to stop them.

You are playing a game of Tic-tac-toe when I'm playing 3D chest
I didn't make a joke. That is literally you. Trying to have a dialogue with a rabid human being that is out to kill people. Like Solis said, that doesn't work on hardened criminals, but it does work on the youth.
@AL sama I will pipe down on the insults. That emoji is just so tempting to use lol
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AI or an impersonator?
 
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